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What people need to do is start making small knit communities of like minded people and having families.
People do this every day, everywhere. Most people are living in families in communities of other families with social ties like schools and churches and community activities in common.

Most people are normies. They are called normies because what they do is… normal.
 
So you don't want your problem solved, gotcha.
I am planning on plastic surgery, I said it in this thread. I just don't know if it will help me, even with a bunch of jaw surgery.
People do this every day, everywhere. Most people are living in families in communities of other families with social ties like schools and churches and community activities in common.

Most people are normies. They are called normies because what they do is… normal.
Communities that talk about white replacement and concerning themselves with raising their kids based on strict religious values is very very hard to find. Rockwell tried to do this before Jews bought up all the properties.
 
I am planning on plastic surgery, I said it in this thread. I just don't know if it will help me, even with a bunch of jaw surgery.

Communities that talk about white replacement and concerning themselves with raising their kids based on strict religious values is very very hard to find. Rockwell tried to do this before Jews bought up all the properties.
Unless you get a quack or go overboard like a Hollywood lunatic it should yield positive results. Going from unattractive to mediocre overnight is an adequate gain.

Good luck man.
 
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Being mediocre won't get me women when women can get chad like ordering an uber eats meal I will be invisible.
Again, lower your standards and you'll find plenty of options.

It's never been just the 10/10 men who pull women, that's not how it's ever worked. Take up sociology, no western nations (maybe no nations) operate under your weird fantastical harem delusions.

The reality is there's lots of stupid women out there just like stupid men. They're insecure, damaged, and vulnerable. If you can't snag a fat chick in her late 30's who's got baggage then it's not because Tom Cruise took all the women. You're not getting a young hot girl, the sooner you get over that the sooner you'll be in a relationship.
 
Again, lower your standards and you'll find plenty of options.

It's never been just the 10/10 men who pull women, that's not how it's ever worked. Take up sociology, no western nations (maybe no nations) operate under your weird fantastical harem delusions.

The reality is there's lots of stupid women out there just like stupid men. They're insecure, damaged, and vulnerable. If you can't snag a fat chick in her late 30's who's got baggage then it's not because Tom Cruise took all the women. You're not getting a young hot girl, the sooner you get over that the sooner you'll be in a relationship.
The thing is I lost weight and was fat and do not ever want to date a fat woman. I would rather be incel. Why should I as a man have to bust my ass get fit and lose weight and only get that. Its insulting to all the work I have done and everything I worked for. Very demotivating. I don't think I even look bad. People say I look average when I ask them but its still not enough so Idk if they are gaslighting me.
 
glad to see you are finally trannymaxxing, its the only choice
Can’t get the girlfriend? Become the girlfriend! 🏳️‍⚧️
The thing is I lost weight and was fat and do not ever want to date a fat woman. I would rather be incel. Why should I as a man have to bust my ass get fit and lose weight and only get that. Its insulting to all the work I have done and everything I worked for. Very demotivating. I don't think I even look bad. People say I look average when I ask them but its still not enough so Idk if they are gaslighting me.
Fat women have big titties though.
 
My extremely serious argument: Kiwi users have sex -> it can't be impossible.
I mean, think about it. There's probably not a lot of models using this site so it's clearly not the decisive point.

Why do you think even people on here (no hate friends) can get laid?
 
The thing is I lost weight and was fat and do not ever want to date a fat woman. I would rather be incel. Why should I as a man have to bust my ass get fit and lose weight and only get that. Its insulting to all the work I have done and everything I worked for. Very demotivating. I don't think I even look bad. People say I look average when I ask them but its still not enough so Idk if they are gaslighting me.
Then at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of not wanting to date down but wanting women to do so for you.
 
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My extremely serious argument: Kiwi users have sex -> it can't be impossible.
I mean, think about it. There's probably not a lot of models using this site so it's clearly not the decisive point.

Why do you think even people on here (no hate friends) can get laid?
They get lucky or are good looking. I am a fucking freak. I am not saying its impossible but when you're 25 and your notch count is like 3 it feels pretty fucking over. I download tinder and get nothing.

Then at least acknowledge the hypocrisy of not wanting to date down but wanting women to do so for you.
The thing is those women are my looks level. But don't want me even though I have a good job, my own place, a nice car ect.. My only cope now is plastic surgery and working out but I don't think that will save me honestly. I did a lot I lost like 80 pounds I got a good bmi I got into a good school got a good job and since those last two years I get nothing but one night stands.
 
While true back then men could make enough money to get a wife now women can be spoiled with 8/10+ guys all day on tinder like ordering uber eats leaving the vast majority of men without any options.
The average woman cares less about sex than the average man. Its part of the reason that a handful of whores on tinder have a lot of negotiating power. If more women were whores than it’d make it so guys looking for just sex would have a lot more options. This is apparent when one looks up the demographics of hookup and extramarital sites which have way more male than female users.

Women also are less picky about looks even though they do rate men more harshly than men rate women… but looks aren’t the end all be all for men. A man having his looks mocked isn’t as socially harmful as a woman being labeled ugly. Personality, and to a lesser extent accomplishment, are often major factors for women looking for men. Women generally like fun or funny men that can be their companions and not crying jobless sobs who only want sex and are incapable of being an emotional support. Many women like leaders even if the dude is leading a group of autists. Women are also not a monolith and a lot get off to different things and have different preferences. There are older women who like really young men. There are also some that prefer nerds, religious men, blue collar workers, etc. Hell, I bet there are some that like to date losers.

In contrast men tend to favor sex over relationships. It’s why guys have to remind their bros to “not stick it in crazy.” Many men still want at least a bit of companionship but sex is more at the forefront of their mind and unfortunately some idiots will date a bipolar bimbo because she has a fine ass.

This is even more apparent when it comes to homosexuals. They reveal their sex’s dating tendencies. Lesbians have less sex than straight couples but gays have way more. In lesbian couples it’s not uncommon for one of them to be really ugly and the other to be decent looking. If they really valued looks as much then better looking lesbians would be pairing off with each other rather than dating dykes. Compare this to gay men who are very mindful of their looks and very judgemental about it and often aren’t interested in other guys if their penises are not big enough. If women cared more about looks and sex then we should expect to see that played out in the preferences of lesbians, which we do not.

The truth is women are picky about something that is hard to change or control: One’s personality and behavior. Women aren’t as dumb as many think, they can often tell, especially if they’re not a dumb 18 year old, when a guy is just trying to pump and dump. Nothing scares a woman away faster than being a creep. One can be good looking, have a job, and meet all the checkboxes, but if they’re unsocial and come across as creepy, it’s a deal breaker.

The differences in men’s and women’s preferences can be linked to evolution. Sex and dating is more dangerous for women. A creep is more likely to murder them, so women have evolved to be weary of creepy dudes. Men in contrast tend to be pickier about looks because the health of the woman significantly increased the odds of any offspring being born and growing into heathy adults. Men who can get better looking partners can pass on their genes. If a guy is a big enough creep it doesn’t matter how elegant he is, how much of a gentleman be thinks he is, or how wealthy he is… it’ll be very difficult for him to get a date let alone laid.
 
The average woman cares less about sex than the average man. Its part of the reason that a handful of whores on tinder have a lot of negotiating power. If more women were whores than it’d make it so guys looking for just sex would have a lot more options. This is apparent when one looks up the demographics of hookup and extramarital sites which have way more male than female users.

Women also are less picky about looks even though they do rate men more harshly than men rate women… but looks aren’t the end all be all for men. A man having his looks mocked isn’t as socially harmful as a woman being labeled ugly. Personality, and to a lesser extent accomplishment, are often major factors for women looking for men. Women generally like fun or funny men that can be their companions and not crying jobless sobs who only want sex and are incapable of being an emotional support. Many women like leaders even if the dude is leading a group of autists. Women are also not a monolith and a lot get off to different things and have different preferences. There are older women who like really young men. There are also some that prefer nerds, religious men, blue collar workers, etc. Hell, I bet there are some that like to date losers.

In contrast men tend to favor sex over relationships. It’s why guys have to remind their bros to “not stick it in crazy.” Many men still want at least a bit of companionship but sex is more at the forefront of their mind and unfortunately some idiots will date a bipolar bimbo because she has a fine ass.

This is even more apparent when it comes to homosexuals. They reveal their sex’s dating tendencies. Lesbians have less sex than straight couples but gays have way more. In lesbian couples it’s not uncommon for one of them to be really ugly and the other to be decent looking. If they really valued looks as much then better looking lesbians would be pairing off with each other rather than dating dykes. Compare this to gay men who are very mindful of their looks and very judgemental about it and often aren’t interested in other guys if their penises are not big enough. If women cared more about looks and sex then we should expect to see that played out in the preferences of lesbians, which we do not.

The truth is women are picky about something that is hard to change or control: One’s personality and behavior. Women aren’t as dumb as many think, they can often tell, especially if they’re not a dumb 18 year old, when a guy is just trying to pump and dump. Nothing scares a woman away faster than being a creep. One can be good looking, have a job, and meet all the checkboxes, but if they’re unsocial and come across as creepy, it’s a deal breaker.

The differences in men’s and women’s preferences can be linked to evolution. Sex and dating is more dangerous for women. A creep is more likely to murder them, so women have evolved to be weary of creepy dudes. Men in contrast tend to be pickier about looks because the health of the woman significantly increased the odds of any offspring being born and growing into heathy adults. Men who can get better looking partners can pass on their genes. If a guy is a big enough creep it doesn’t matter how elegant he is, how much of a gentleman be thinks he is, or how wealthy he is… it’ll be very difficult for him to get a date let alone laid.
Everything you said is shit I already know but simply not true. I have met very good looking dudes in my life. I am talking 6'5-6'6 dudes who are roided up and they download tinder and get a bunch of matches from girls and they have told me before the girls they are with have very high sex drives, they love being called sluts, degraded ect.... I have had some run-ins with that with girls I knew before too where they were into exhibitionism like fucking in public areas, being choked ect.. Super horny basically. While that might be true for you, women definitely have high sex drives just not for you. I even remember just sexting and sending dick pics to random girls I added and they would sext back.

Women and men aren't that different, the problem is women have a higher elevated ego due to all the attention they get from men online giving them way more options. Lets put you in their shoes for example, lets say you have a trillion instagram followers and a bunch of girls are dying to get into your pants are you gonna pick some average or ugly girl? Of course not you're gonna go for the super model, that's whats called an abundance mindset and what women get to have the privilege of having any time they wish on any and all social media platforms.

This is why I say the only feasible solution to the incel problem is returning to tradition and promoting the 50s culture in America that had some sembalance of normalcy where every dude doesn't just simp.
 
This honestly explains why incels are the way they are and why they feel angry at the world. If you ever were ugly and had to deal with lookism you would understand that is a problem that compiles incrementally.
 

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They get lucky or are good looking. I am a fucking freak. I am not saying its impossible but when you're 25 and your notch count is like 3 it feels pretty fucking over. I download tinder and get nothing.
About luck: If we pretend kiwis have no other redeeming qualities, the biggest one could be luck. The thing about luck is you never know when is strikes. I like to think of it as lottery- sometimes the odds are against you but you can increase your chances by buying more tickets (taking care of yourself, being fit, being kind and so on). It's not a guaranteed win but the same applies to people who are more conventionally attractive. Because luck itself doesn't discriminate.

As for the other part of your reply: I can empathize with that. I'm not in the same position, but I was a late bloomer and I used to think being a virgin at 20 meant it was a ticket to wizardry. So I'm not discounting your feelings- you feel them. And when you feel a certain way, you can't tell yourself to "just be happy" or "just be confident". And the scary thing is others can usually sense our mood when we lack confidence or hopelessness, it even deters some from interacting with us. The only thing that helped me was increasing the odds- both by improving what I could and waiting (more time means higher chance). After that, it's all about the corrective experiences. It's hard to feel good or be kind when you don't feel like others are giving you that. Sometimes it's all about being nice to the right person at the right time and they'll remember it. They'll mention you, you could join them, make more friends. This could open up more encounters and increase your chances even more.

I'll be honest, I don't plan on ever trying Tinder- even the stats imply the game is rigged by imbalance of supply and demand. And it's better to treat yourself well and avoid it if it's a source of pain and feeling like you're not enough. It's better and easier (in my opinion) to do what I mentioned above- build a good reputation and meet people in real life. Not only are they less harsh in person, but also think about it from women's perspective. If you have your doubts about a man you're considering, would you chose someone your friends know is a decent guy who won't hurt her, or someone online you could go meet, but have no way of knowing what he's really like before meeting him?
 
They get lucky or are good looking. I am a fucking freak. I am not saying its impossible but when you're 25 and your notch count is like 3 it feels pretty fucking over. I download tinder and get nothing.


The thing is those women are my looks level. But don't want me even though I have a good job, my own place, a nice car ect.. My only cope now is plastic surgery and working out but I don't think that will save me honestly. I did a lot I lost like 80 pounds I got a good bmi I got into a good school got a good job and since those last two years I get nothing but one night stands.
It's probably your cunty attitude
 
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Do you even know what incel means? If you have a choice about it you are not an incel.
It seems that he's just mad he's unattractive and would prefer to remain celibate than lower his standards. It's a valid choice to remain voluntarily celibate but he doesn't need to complain so much about it. Incels genuinely have a reason to complain, picky hypocrites don't.
 
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