Debate user 'Mother puss bucket' about feminism and TERFs in tranny threads

[artilleryfroth]

No. Actually, nobody knows why Iran recognized transgender identities after the Islamic Revolution. In fact, that was a religious call made by the Ayatollah (despite him not actually being the highest Shi'ite cleric, but Iran always had a bit of a problem in that regard, as the nominally highest Shi'ite clerics are all seated in Iraq...), and since Iran was now an "Islamic Republic", religion became politics. But nobody knows what the Ayatollah's theological reasoning was, and rumours are that a MTF had somehow gotten his ear. So, no, this was absolutely not meant as a punishment. Even in case of homosexuals, it's more a "get out of jail" card, since the usual punishment, and the one that is actually implemented if they refuse to identify as female, is the death penalty. Still kinda fucked up, though.


I'm pretty sure the divide between radical and liberal feminism has always existed. Trans-exclusivity or -inclusivity aside, the core difference as I have always understood is that liberal feminism strives to gives women equal rights and treatment within the existing system, whereas radical feminism sees the whole system and societal structure as inherently made by men and for men, and hence in need of a general revision. In that sense, liberal feminism is actually saner (IMO). And the issue of trans-exclusivity goes pretty much parallel to radical/liberal feminism - Rowling, for example, is not actually a TERF, as she is pretty much a trans-exclusive liberal feminist (her whole world view is dripping with establishment liberalism). I think the reason trans-exclusivity is so much stronger on the radical feminist side is because radical feminists have a history of, uh, mythologizing womanhood, I guess you could say. Which is pretty wacky in its own way, but has proven to be an effective defence against trans ideology.


And while the reason is unknown, the explanation seen as most likely by more experts is more hormones in the environment, due such things as the pill. It's a bit of a concerning trend in its own right.


Basically, Labour is centre-left (and yes, centre-left, with a clear centrist and left wing), the Tories (Conservatives) are centre-right, and the LiBDems are "liberals" in the classical sense, i.e. something akin to libertarians - pro-social rights but also pro-business deregulation etc. But really, in the last twenty years mostly the latter. They had no problem propping up Cameron's Tory government, notably. And the Greens are some sort of ever shifting lunacy.


Corbyn was extremely leftwing, but after his failure at the election, the centrist wing very firmly is in control of Labour again. It's not so much "not as true anymore", but a tug-of-war between the two wings, so it's sometimes the one way, sometimes the other.

Wow, imagine outing yourself like this. Oooof.


You are exactly the kind of boy I would warn my kids to avoid.

 

[Kaiser Rotbart]

Wow, imagine outing yourself like this. Oooof.

You are exactly the kind of boy I would warn my kids to avoid.

Just for the record, before you start another crazy meltdown, I'll just state that I am definitely not a lawyer!

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Don't bitch you removed all the road markings/signs and then people are driving down the wrong side of the road. Deconstructing basic functional paths for people to take during times of maximum confusing about their bodies is how you create mentally ill men questioning if they're women. Man acts like man, woman acts like woman and we have a family. Man acts like man, man acts like woman and oops you have a pair of groomers looking for teenage boys to prey on. Either you support a family unit able to produce children or you disconnect sex from children and create a death spiral. There will always be weirdos who don't fit the mold, they go off and do their own thing instead of forcing that abnormality into a main stream ideology. If you're a bull dyke who wants to drive a truck or a computer nerd who jerks it to anime girls then you can do that without promoting an ideology hostile to functional generational society. Dismantling the core of a society because a very small minority don't fit the mold is selfish and self destructive.


His name isn't well known is it? Is his real name censored on reddit or is it just his tranny name? Are there any replacement reddit style websites at the moment? This could kill Reddit the same way Digg died over night.


There has been studies done on this and it's not just hormones. It's also the lack of men in the household. Children who lack masculine influences and male figures enter puberty faster. It's believed to be an adaption in birth rates to replace protectors and hunters as quickly as possible. If your men get fucked your tribe is fucked. It shifts sex birth rates too.


Are you on crack? None of these parties are centrist left alone center-right. The tories constantly push social justice stuff out. There isn't any center parties in the UK and any who tried to be would be done for hate speech when they opposed mass immigration.

"If you don't shut up, make sandwiches, crap out babies, submit and obey, turn the other cheek when your husband fucks around, defer to his every command, live a life of poverty with no right to own property, to vote, to have a bank account, and stick to your shitty marriage no matter how much he drinks away the paycheck and talks trash about you to everyone you know-- then you deserve the troon brigade taking away your rights, because you didn't submit to a man in the first place!"

It's like a full circle. Either way, women are blamed, aren't they? Men are never deviant perverts in their own right, and their violence, desire to remain unemployed and/or their sexual proclivities NEVER justify a woman getting divorced, remaining single, or just dropping out of the dating pool EVER, amIright?

Sorry. I grew up in a conservative big family with married parents and a homemaker for a mother. She went batshit crazy after having five kids and dealing with a domestic abuser. He isolated her from family and friends. He talked in circles around her and made everything about him. His fat paycheck couldn't cure his ugly, she cut her own hair and she wore clothes that were three decades old. He bought tractors and every new gadget and flipped houses for fun while his kids had holes in their shoes. I wouldn't wish her life on a dog. I'd rather put a bullet in my head than live the life of Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

I by far hate bardfinn the most. he is the most determined tranny out of all of them. he is the reason AHS has such a strong arm on reddit as a whole. would really like to see a thread on him but there probably isnt too much to go off of. dude is fucking crazy. when the superstraight thing happened he posted a threat of all the people he reported and whether they got banned or not. probably got like 100+ suspended. he definitely has the ear of reddit

Yes. I think Bardfinn has way more pull than people think. How did he get the OK to tag/stalk/track users and create data by accessing their accounts?

 

[CrispyGonad]

To address a few points made by previous posters.

It's interesting reading the different takes on radical feminism. This is why I love KF - it's not an echo chamber and hasn't yet been affected by cancel culture BUT

Re radfems ' mythologising' womanhood - what a load of bollocks. I've never mythologised it, merely lived it. We just happen to know what a woman is, and it ain't Aimee Challenor aka Mr. Toad and his ilk.

FYI (for a previous poster who I can't be arsed to look up) The UK consists of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The rest is known as the Republic of Ireland which is made up of 26 counties and is an independent sovereign state.

I know it's a bit of a derail but sorry, not sorry

*All spelling courtesy of the Oxford English Dictionary

 

[Bunny Tracks]

On the topic of feminism, and whether, or not it caused all this bullshit: I think we need to remember that there's a huge difference between letting women vote, work, have equal rights, etc, and letting troons, pedos, and other degenerates run all over the place.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

"If you don't shut up, make sandwiches, crap out babies, submit and obey, turn the other cheek when your husband fucks around, defer to his every command, live a life of poverty with no right to own property, to vote, to have a bank account, and stick to your shitty marriage no matter how much he drinks away the paycheck and talks trash about you to everyone you know-- then you deserve the troon brigade taking away your rights, because you didn't submit to a man in the first place!"

What a load of feminist bollocks. Get a clue about history before you start talking about how people used to live. Women have always had power in the house hold, they were working partners with the men folk and if the men fucked around her family members would kick his teeth in for it. Men and women shared equal rights, the exact same "Fuck you, I'm king and you will do as your told" through out most of European history. Don't straight up lie about how history is because you're an ideological retard force fed clap trap by cat ladies. Look up Hue and cry laws and tell me how oppressed women are when men are legally bound to protect them if they cry for help and can face prison if they don't do it. Or how men suffering domestic abuse were punished for letting a woman abuse them. History is not woe is me I am a woman and a boy's club of porn, booze and illegimate children. It's a hard grueling time where you shut up and did as you were told or you learned who was really in charge.

If you want to blame your childhood on someone then blame your mother. She could have killed him and got away with it scot free thanks to feminist laws. She could have stopped it and chose not to. And you can blame her family for not protecting her and her for being stupid and distancing herself from them. Which only goes to prove a patriarchy would have been better for you because your mother couldn't be a dumb bitch and then we wouldn't have to put up with your feminist blogging in a topic about trannies.

On the topic of feminism, and whether, or not it caused all this bullshit: I think we need to remember that there's a difference between letting women vote, work, have equal rights, etc, and letting troons, pedos, and other degenerates run all over the place.

It's undeniable that women voting caused the state of Western nations today. They vote massively left wing, for more hand outs and for less protection for the native population. It's impossible to deny this if you look at how men and women vote and what parties they vote for. Women are not evolved for wider social interactions, they're evolved for small communities and families. They unable to properly assess what is good for the group and instead want as much gibs me dats as they can get.

 

[AStupidMonkey]

"If you don't shut up, make sandwiches, crap out babies, submit and obey, turn the other cheek when your husband fucks around, defer to his every command, live a life of poverty with no right to own property, to vote, to have a bank account, and stick to your shitty marriage no matter how much he drinks away the paycheck and talks trash about you to everyone you know-- then you deserve the troon brigade taking away your rights, because you didn't submit to a man in the first place!"

It's like a full circle. Either way, women are blamed, aren't they? Men are never deviant perverts in their own right, and their violence, desire to remain unemployed and/or their sexual proclivities NEVER justify a woman getting divorced, remaining single, or just dropping out of the dating pool EVER, amIright?

Sorry. I grew up in a conservative big family with married parents and a homemaker for a mother. She went batshit crazy after having five kids and dealing with a domestic abuser. He isolated her from family and friends. He talked in circles around her and made everything about him. His fat paycheck couldn't cure his ugly, she cut her own hair and she wore clothes that were three decades old. He bought tractors and every new gadget and flipped houses for fun while his kids had holes in their shoes. I wouldn't wish her life on a dog. I'd rather put a bullet in my head than live the life of Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

I can't believe I have to point any of this out, but:
1. #NotAllConservatives. Sorry you had a bad time, but there are shitty people all over the spectrum. Just ask this next generation of kids that's going to be raised on meat substitutes and HRT.

2. Maybe, just maybe, there's a middle-ground between bible-thumping barefoot trad-waifus and woke militant nu-gurlz.

 

[Kaiser Rotbart]

2. Maybe, just maybe, there's a middle-ground between bible-thumping barefoot trad-waifus and woke militant nu-gurlz.

...yes. That was more or less the point that was being raised? That just because you want female equality doesn't mean you're okay with pedophiles, trans ideology, cultural invasions etc. As some people in the thread have at least implied, or explicitly stated.

 

[Bamanda]

What a load of feminist bollocks. Get a clue about history before you start talking about how people used to live. Women have always had power in the house hold, they were working partners with the men folk and if the men fucked around her family members would kick his teeth in for it. Men and women shared equal rights, the exact same "Fuck you, I'm king and you will do as your told" through out most of European history. Don't straight up lie about how history is because you're an ideological retard force fed clap trap by cat ladies. Look up Hue and cry laws and tell me how oppressed women are when men are legally bound to protect them if they cry for help and can face prison if they don't do it. Or how men suffering domestic abuse were punished for letting a woman abuse them. History is not woe is me I am a woman and a boy's club of porn, booze and illegimate children. It's a hard grueling time where you shut up and did as you were told or you learned who was really in charge.

If you want to blame your childhood on someone then blame your mother. She could have killed him and got away with it scot free thanks to feminist laws. She could have stopped it and chose not to. And you can blame her family for not protecting her and her for being stupid and distancing herself from them. Which only goes to prove a patriarchy would have been better for you because your mother couldn't be a dumb bitch and then we wouldn't have to put up with your feminist blogging in a topic about trannies.


It's undeniable that women voting caused the state of Western nations today. They vote massively left wing, for more hand outs and for less protection for the native population. It's impossible to deny this if you look at how men and women vote and what parties they vote for. Women are not evolved for wider social interactions, they're evolved for small communities and families. They unable to properly assess what is good for the group and instead want as much gibs me dats as they can get.

Dude, dial it down a notch. You sound about half a step away from putting on a cheap wig and demanding people call you Katie.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

They're the only ones seeking power by any means in any institution.
No one actively wants to be an internet janitor except these kinds of people.

It's not always power seeking. The biggest losers have the most time to invest in these sort of things. The family man isn't going to be your moderator when he has chores to do and kids to look after. Tranny man.. no kids, no chores! Just cum socks and piss bottles!

...yes. That was more or less the point that was being raised? That just because you want female equality doesn't mean you're okay with pedophiles, trans ideology, cultural invasions etc. As some people in the thread have at least implied, or explicitly stated.

And the counter argument being raised is that enabling women to vote creates an environment where those things are inevitable. Many people against women voting are against all individuals voting not just women. Either we want to do away with the whole fake voting thing and pandering to win votes entirely, or we want the vote to be 1 vote per family (man+woman+children in a single household). You are saying you want to throw your food in the air and we're saying gravity will always make it hit the floor once you do that. There isn't a middle ground because the slippery slope exists and men not being masculine enough to tell women no means women take that as a sign of weakness and act in destructive ways. It's a shit test and western men failed one so hard they invited the third world in to punish them for it.

Trannies are responsible for radicalising women into being “terfs”. I was never interested in feminism because it was libfem bullshit (about forcing golf clubs to allow women in them) by the time I was old enough to pay attention. I was just a normal woman, interested in not being raped or abused because I’m smaller and physically weaker than men, but not interested in blaming masculinity for all the worlds problems because I know and love plenty of good men.

I don’t even consider myself a feminist, but fucking right I’m a terf. We’re the only sane women left. If not wanting the likes of this hairy monster to be in a changing room with me, in a prison cell with a woman, in a hospital ward beside my Mum, or teaching my 9 year old niece about sexuality is radical feminism then hand me some dungarees because fuck every single person who enables this.

Someone in the thread blamed radical feminism for this mess. I don’t think the blame lies solely with them, but I do think they played a part in it. We’ve spent years being bombarded with this idea that all masculinity is toxic and makes men terrible people. The exact men that message was supposed to target are the ones who are now putting on thigh high socks and calling themselves a bimbo to avoid having to listen.

Sorry for the rambling post, to keep it on topic fuck Reddit. I hope they sink and disappear because they’ve always promoted the most sick and depraved people possible. I’d take my chances in the toilet full of men who talk to my tits rather than my face before I would ever be alone near a tranny who thinks his inverted penis is a pussy.

Sane women don't engage with feminists at all. They're all miserable bitches wanting to entrap others into the same nightmare world they've convinced themselves they live in. Sane women focus on building their lives and future happiness with a family around them. Nothing good ever comes from feminists and siding with them only means a knife in the back when they move the goal posts yet again.

Dude, dial it down a notch. You sound about half a step away from putting on a cheap wig and demanding people call you Katie.

Katie is far too normal a name for a tranny. It would be Moonbeeam Starrluver if I put on the wig.

Feminist history is completely dishonest and destructive to everyone it infects. Education is so bad now that people honestly believe feminist lies told by the same ones who claim all sex is rape. It's annoying to have to constantly debunk claims that men have life on easy mode while women were treated like farm animals. History isn't like that and it's only possible for someone incredibly spoiled and ignorant to think it is.

 

[Desu Vult]

Radfems were annoying but at least there was some method to their madness. It's when they embraced intersectionalism where feminism went finally and completely shit.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

If you want to blame your childhood on someone then blame your mother. She could have killed him and got away with it scot free thanks to feminist laws. She could have stopped it and chose not to. And you can blame her family for not protecting her and her for being stupid and distancing herself from them. Which only goes to prove a patriarchy would have been better for you because your mother couldn't be a dumb bitch and then we wouldn't have to put up with your feminist blogging in a topic about trannies

Sure dude, drag five kids out of the house in a high-cost of living state, with no bank account, no skills that could earn a living wage, only a high school diploma? With what family, after he cut her off from them? Plenty of women get serious jail fines fur murdering their husbands, at least in my country.

You can blame women all you want, but women "learning their place under the boots of their masters" isn't going to stop pedo troons from castrating boys.

Perverts gonna perv, particularly if they have money to burn and some power. Whether women "submit and obey" doesn't make a difference. Now he have perverts in tech (which permeates every aspect of our lives) with a shitload of money and a ton of power, so this problem is 1000x.

The Catholic Church was doing castrating boys 150 years ago with no repercussions in orphanages-- for their own sick reasons and for their choirs, and that was in Italy when women still had to marry their rapists "for family honor".

 

[Calculus]

people honestly believe feminist lies told by the same ones who claim all sex is rape

Dworkin is often said to argue that "all heterosexual sex is rape", based on the line from the book that says "violation is a synonym for intercourse." However, Dworkin has denied this interpretation, stating, "What I think is that sex must not put women in a subordinate position. It must be reciprocal and not an act of aggression from a man looking only to satisfy himself. That's my point."

 

[CrispyGonad]

Radfems were annoying but at least there was some method to their madness. It's when they embraced intersectionalism where feminism went finally and completely shit.

Radfems NEVER embraced intersectionality. If they did they'd be called intersectional feminists. The clue's in the name mate. The 2 are like chalk and cheese. It would be like mice supporting cat rights.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Can the feminist sperging go to Deep Thoughts? Newbies finding and reading this thread want dirt on Aimee and his degenerate pals, not this derailment shit.

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Null needs to reign in the feminists in troon threads. They use them as soap boxes to promote the same bullshit again and again then act shocked when people push back against it because it always ends in this same degenerate bullshit.

Considering Metro has an article in the side bar about a gym trainer afraid of sweat that's a good article from them. It doesn't validate any of the tranny bullshit outside of pronouns and lays out a lot of evidence for normies to get revolted by.

 

[Bamanda]

It's not always power seeking. The biggest losers have the most time to invest in these sort of things. The family man isn't going to be your moderator when he has chores to do and kids to look after. Tranny man.. no kids, no chores! Just cum socks and piss bottles!


And the counter argument being raised is that enabling women to vote creates an environment where those things are inevitable. Many people against women voting are against all individuals voting not just women. Either we want to do away with the whole fake voting thing and pandering to win votes entirely, or we want the vote to be 1 vote per family (man+woman+children in a single household). You are saying you want to throw your food in the air and we're saying gravity will always make it hit the floor once you do that. There isn't a middle ground because the slippery slope exists and men not being masculine enough to tell women no means women take that as a sign of weakness and act in destructive ways. It's a shit test and western men failed one so hard they invited the third world in to punish them for it.


Sane women don't engage with feminists at all. They're all miserable bitches wanting to entrap others into the same nightmare world they've convinced themselves they live in. Sane women focus on building their lives and future happiness with a family around them. Nothing good ever comes from feminists and siding with them only means a knife in the back when they move the goal posts yet again.

I’ll add you to the list of things radicalising women along with trannies.

I’m a sane woman. I believe in the family unit being the foundations of a civil functioning society. I believe that men and women can’t be equal because of biology, but I don’t believe that means either sex is inferior to the other because of that. I think a successful civilisation has men and women working as teams, each bringing our different strengths and weaknesses.

That doesn’t mean I think women should need permission from our men to have a fucking bank account, or should be told we’re not allowed to divorce the men who rape us every night in the marital bed fuck sake. You’re the other end of the horseshoe from the most radical of feminists.

 

[Mother puss bucket]

Radfems NEVER embraced intersectionality. If they did they'd be called intersectional feminists. The clue's in the name mate. The 2 are like chalk and cheese. It would be like mice supporting cat rights.

They happily support niggers and faggots. They're intersectional.

Sheeeeeiitttt, female privilege is real!

In all seriousness though, WTF crawled up feminists asses that made them support rapefugees and troonery and all the other progressive idiocy in the first place? Thats some weird ourobouros shit.

Shit testing. If men don't control women they will lash out until they find a man who will control them. Basic female psychology.

should be told we’re not allowed to divorce the men who rape us every night in the marital bed fuck sake. You’re the other end of the horseshoe from the most radical of feminists.

No such thing as marital rape sweetie. You have no respect for the family or you would know this. No wonder you call yourself a TERF

 

[Kaiser Rotbart]

Sheeeeeiitttt, female privilege is real!

In all seriousness though, WTF crawled up feminists asses that made them support rapefugees and troonery and all the other progressive idiocy in the first place? Thats some weird ourobouros shit.

"Solidarity of marginalized groups"

Of course, just because you're both marginalized doesn't mean you'll have compatible interests. Or that those groups will be nice to you. And some groups sort of deserve to be marginalized, anyway.
Still, it would be silly to disavow feminism on the base of trans ideology or migrant hordes. Those are different issues.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Classic feminist insult. As expected from a leg beard with sand up the asshole.

I still look good in a bathing suit when I'm hanging out on the beach, though. Cope harder.

 

[LemmeSee]

I still look good in a bathing suit when I'm hanging out on the beach, though. Cope harder.

All that shit about the patriarchy and you fall back to using your body as a measure of your value. Sad!