Debate user @NoBueno if his schizo theory holds up

Yes complexity for the sake of complexity can be retarded or annoying
I think that quote is better broken down with the idea of, "can it be explained in simple terms or not."
Complexity is generally only bad when we can't fully understand that complexity and people who tend to use long-winded explanations and big words usually don't understand what they're saying.

Can you break it down into a single short sentence with simple terms? If not it might be too complex for you (and, possibly, likely, others) to understand.
 
Hmm, sorry if I'm going a bit off-tanget, but I dislike this quote because, despite the fact that I agree with it in a general sense, some people tend to interpret it as "complex = bad". Yes complexity for the sake of complexity can be retarded or annoying, however, there are things, like certein works of literature, that requiere to be complex in order to correctly execute their concept, and there is plenty of beauty and genius to be found in them. Terry Davis says this from an engineering/design point of view (maybe I'm wrong), where yeah simplicity is usually king, but out of that context, like geopolitical analysis (not conspiracyslop) sometimes less is just less. Its similar (but not as bad) as that stupid quote that says "if you can't explain it to a five y/o then its retarded" or something like that. It enables retards into believing /pol/ inforgraphics and X memes (very simple) are superior to actual methodical and rigorous academic work (complex) just because the latter may employ a very technical languague that filters their uneducated asses. I'm not defending Alex Jones-tier schizo world salad (no offense to NoBueno, I have nothing against you) but sometimes things need to be approached in a complex manner because the subject simply demands it, and in those cases complexity is actually a quality to be desired.
Of course. I'm just saying that trying to make shit sound complex to make it sound intelligent or interesting is cringe. Now, is complexity actually a desirable trait? Sure, but it should be hidden underneath the surface of a digestible theory. Using it as a form of gatekeeping ironically enough only lets retards in.
 
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Can you break it down into a single short sentence with simple terms? If not it might be too complex for you (and, possibly, likely, others) to understand.
I adressed this in the latter part of my post. Not everything can or should be broken down into a single short sentence that a 5 y/o on Tik Tok can understand. I suck at math, but I dont expect a professor to be able to explain to me PhD level math in a single short sentence and I wouldnt think he actually doesnt understand it just because he cant explain it to a retard like me. Some books take time, secondary texts and multiple reads to understand and there is nothing wrong with that.
If you dont think it is worth your time and would rather do something else, thats totally valid too, but dont dismiss stuff like that as "complexity thats actually for idiots" just because you arent willing to put on the work (I'm not saying you are guilty of this). This mentality promotes passing judgement before trying to understand something, its retarded and keeps people in a state of willful, self-righteous ignorance which I personally find infuriating. Its like when black people say white people dont season their food.

Sure, but it should be hidden underneath the surface of a digestible theory.
Should it always be? And digestible for who tho? This is what I dont understand, why is a theorist or an artist (for example) supposed to give a watered down version of his work if this process of watering down negates the specific artistic or theoretical goal of his work? Why are we entitled to them having to compromise the integrity of their work? They have to hide the complexity of their work just so people never feel like they don't understand something? Sometimes it can be done, and thats fine, but sometimes it simply can't be done because some things are just digestible at the end and not on the surface and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
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I suck at math, but I dont expect a professor to be able to explain to me PhD level math in a single short sentence and I wouldnt think he actually doesnt understand it just because he cant explain it to a retard like me.
No, but if he wanted to teach it to you he would probably start with simple terms you could understand instead of throwing you into ‘people who do this for a living jargon’.
There is a simpler way to explain most concepts that branch you into the complicated way of explaining it.
I wouldn’t call him an idiot for failing to explain it either.
 
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Should it always be? And digestible for who tho? This is what I dont understand, why is a theorist or an artist (for example) supposed to give a watered down version of his work if this process of watering down negates the specific artistic or theoretical goal of his work? Why are we entitled to them having to compromise the integrity of their work? They have to hide the complexity of their work just so people never feel like they don't understand something? Sometimes it can be done, and thats fine, but sometimes it simply can't be done because some things are just digestible at the end and not on the surface and there is nothing wrong with that.
It's not about dumbing down the work, but being more efficient about it. If an "artist" can't do that, it simply signifies that they don't have a mastery over it. And I'm assuming they're making art for the sake of sharing it with others, otherwise they would just keep it to themselves (barring very rare exceptions). Often enough, complexity is just a way to hide the lack of substance within a product or service. It's great for midwits but boring for the actually intelligent and stupid.
 
Not everything can or should be broken down into a single short sentence that a 5 y/o on Tik Tok can understand.
Ironic that you've failed to understand what I actually meant while talking about the very concept of understanding.
 
No, but if he wanted to teach it to you he would probably start with simple terms you could understand instead of throwing you into ‘people who do this for a living jargon’.
My point is that I don't think he could even do that without going through pre-PhD level math first. I think (maybe I'm wrong) that trying to use simple terms without doing that first could at best give me an "image" of what the people who do PhD math do but I wouldnt really be getting any closer at grasping what it really is (its like the difference between watching a picture of a place instead of being and living in that said place). Also, I don't think it's possible, if we are being autistic about it, for such ideas to be separated from the people-who-do-this-for-a-living-jargon, the technical language of science is there for a reason (or multiple ones).
It's not about dumbing down the work, but being more efficient about it. If an "artist" can't do that, it simply signifies that they don't have a mastery over it. And I'm assuming they're making art for the sake of sharing it with others, otherwise they would just keep it to themselves (barring very rare exceptions). Often enough, complexity is just a way to hide the lack of substance within a product or service. It's great for midwits but boring for the actually intelligent and stupid.
You know which works of "art" are very efficient in the sense that they are very digestible and are very unlikely to confuse you or anyone with complex use of language or whatever? Marvel movies. Every single person in the world can understand them, you instantly know who the bad guys and who the good guys are, you don't need to watch them more than one time, you get the straight "substance" without any formal complexities that waste your time, just the facts without any confusing philosophical depth. Does this mean the writers of marvel movies have a superior mastery over writing than obstuse guys like Borges that fill their stories with metaphysical paradoxes and non-linear plots, or people who write very emotionally complex characters like Shakespeare does? Does the fact that there are still people arguing if Hamlet was really crazy or just pretending mean Shakespeare had less of a mastery over his craft than marvel writers?
And yes, they are making art for the sake of sharing it with others, but this "others" isnt an universal person that somehow could be able to understand every single work of art ever created in a diversity of historical and cultural contexts without putting any effort. We are limited by our own place in time and getting a point of view outside of these limitations sometimes takes work. Its not Cervantes fault that I was born hundreds of years after him so a lot of what he talks about is confusing to me. Would his literature be better if we erased what seems complex to contemporary readers so the "substance" could be accessed in a more efficient way for us?
 
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Wrong bruh we're all one soul being reborn again and again into random bodies through time and space until the soul refined into godhood. Jesus Christ was the last iteration of the soul before it reached apotheosis. Every living, soul-bearing being is just macrodata refinement.
.....didn't you just describe RPG NewGame+ ???
 
My point is that I don't think he could even do that without going through pre-PhD level math first. I think (maybe I'm wrong) that trying to use simple terms without doing that first could at best give me an "image" of what the people who do PhD math do but I wouldnt really be getting any closer at grasping what it really is (its like the difference between watching a picture of a place instead of being and living in that said place).
Everything has fundamentals, simplicity is what gets you in the door. You say you wouldn’t be able to get any closer to grasping what it really is but that’s literally the process to understanding ‘complex’ things.
Also, I don't think it's possible, if we are being autistic about it, for such ideas to be separated from the people-who-do-this-for-a-living-jargon, the technical language of science is there for a reason (or multiple ones).
We?
I think it is possible since I am not being autistic, how would anyone present these ideas or concepts to the uninformed in a way they could understand if they only used jargon or field relevant terms?
Doctor’s don’t just go into the patient room and say ‘Hmmm yes well you have stage eleventy brain atrophy’ and then refuse to explain what the word atrophy is to a patient who doesn’t understand what that means.

It feels bad because you’re taking the original quote out of it’s context about writing code and using it to apply to literally all concepts.
Instead of comparing someone who has spent years in their respective field learning PhD math the efficient way and it still coming out complex to the uninformed, you should instead compare it to someone who thinks adding a bunch of random numbers and value signs in said Phd math makes them sound knowledgeable.
What I think I’m trying to say is,
You’re making the quote too complicated.
 
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You're confusing efficiency of art with quality of art. Yes, Marvel Movies are made by professionals (not actually random people like you may think) with decades of experience behind them and theory knowledge in them to create the most digestible movie ever. Yet, that doesn't mean efficiency is in of itself bad. Even in your opposing example, Shakespeare himself knows how to pace his stories and sense of direction unlike modern day pretentious directors who can only know how to mimic. Circling back to my main point, complexity is not something that should be admired simply for the sake of it. As a byproduct of a quality story or mechanism, it can be looked as thought provoking or worthy of attention. But by itself? Stupidity ironically enough. It's confusing the trees for the forest.
 
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Debating, or arguing in general, presupposes logic. Logic presupposes that terms refer to something real and identifiable. Your claims are untethered from reality and thus arbitrary, disconnected from reality, cognitive poison.
Your "schizo theory" solely refers to imaginary things, accordingly debate is not just unproductive, it's structurally impossible.
Mostly true but I would say that there are many things that are real, but not all real things exist.

Unicorns are real. I can ask you to tell me what a horse with a single horn on its head is called and you would say a unicorn. I would though defy you to find an actual extant unicorn. Unicorns do not exist.

We can argue and debate non existent things as long as they are real and we agree on their definition, meaning, and features.
 
I don't like you just because you post exclusively AI generated content. You're actual trash and should kill yourself or finally stop using Grok to make your posts. The choice is clear I think.
 
Now that is some deep philosophical talk that will get you institutionalized if you're not careful. Worst part is that it's not even that deep.
The realm of semiotics is what some might describe as unnatural.
 
I don't like you just because you post exclusively AI generated content. You're actual trash and should kill yourself or finally stop using Grok to make your posts. The choice is clear I think.
People that use AI to shitpost are literally souless. It cannot be that hard to come up with something funny.
Another Terry favorite of mine incoming
Uh yeah you gotta do offerings and then he’ll talk, so like…uh… Tell a funny wri- make a comic that’s genuinely funny and then randomly open the Bible…. and then he’ll talk. You get out of it what you put into it. You get out of it what you put into it

-Terry A.Davis
 
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