Debate user "NotSendingTheirBest" on the ethics and morality of executing offending animal and child abusers

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

And yet, your country executes innocents. Up to 100 people might have been executed since the thirties. is it worth it?

holy heckerino, 100 people in a 100-300+ million population country, over almost a century? yikes, I can't even. laws need to become more lenient for sure, so nobody innocent gets harmed.

 

[Meowthkip]

If you perceive it as smug, that's your problem. I express my thoughts the best I can, so fuck off.

Bruh, your avatar is a fedora.

I don't know how else to take it other than smug.

 

[Th3Gr3atTac0]

Let the punishment fit the crime. If the offender has made one or more parties suffer, have the offender suffer the equal amount, at least.

 

[Crabbo]

I think a death penalty is a far more human solution than an entire life sentence in a situation where they will either languish their entire existence away, or otherwise die an unexpected death due to other inmates.
Definitely ensure that they are guilty beyond reasonable doubt, but I would rather have a kid rapist unable to permanently damage another innocent person.

The scars left by these people can cause permanent damage to a kid (mental or physical) which will fuck that kid up for their entire life.

The penalty of fucking a kid should be a deterrent.

 

[The best and greatest]

Why kill anybody? Just work them to the bone for pay and give like 80% of it to the victims of the prisoner's crimes. Rape a little girl and get sent to prison? You will literally spend the rest of your life working to make up for it.

 

[mr.moon1488]

I think it depends on the form of abuse, and the severity of the abuse, but I think in extreme cases it should be done.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

I think we should just shoot people for serious infractions. it would be more of a deterrent to know that if you rob someone, immediately after the trial you just get taken into public square and shot in the back of the head. Leave the body there for a few days to really drive it home. Our recidivism rate is over 70% and most repeat offenders commit gradually worsening crimes. Nip it in the bud by just blasting them the first time.

1. The earliest organized crime syndicates date back to Mesopotamia, where exactly this kind of judicial philosophy was practiced; having a hand severed was likely a sentence of death by blood poisoning or starvation.
2. Let me tell you about how the first revolution in China happened. At the time, China was under the rule of emperors who embraced Legalism, which had the same idea that you seem to have about punishment; that without harsh punishment, no man will be honest, and that by brutally punishing all criminal acts, the people can be made proper.
Captain Shang Chen was leading 900 troops to Yuyang. As they were moving, heavy storms made the roads muddy, and it became clear that they would not arrive in Yuyang by the deadline. Shang asked his lieutenant, Guang Wu, "What is the punishment for failing to arrive at one's post on time?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."
Shang Chen then asked "And what is the punishment for rebelling against the Emperor?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."

Men are governed by a razor's edge of hope and fear; if the law is too lenient and has no interest in addressing the crime, then it has no power. If the law is too harsh, it has no power either, because the robber will become a rapist, and the rapist will become a murderer. When all crimes are equally punished, all crimes are equally valid.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

1. The earliest organized crime syndicates date back to Mesopotamia, where exactly this kind of judicial philosophy was practiced; having a hand severed was likely a sentence of death by blood poisoning or starvation.
2. Let me tell you about how the first revolution in China happened. At the time, China was under the rule of emperors who embraced Legalism, which had the same idea that you seem to have about punishment; that without harsh punishment, no man will be honest, and that by brutally punishing all criminal acts, the people can be made proper.
Captain Shang Chen was leading 900 troops to Yuyang. As they were moving, heavy storms made the roads muddy, and it became clear that they would not arrive in Yuyang by the deadline. Shang asked his lieutenant, Guang Wu, "What is the punishment for failing to arrive at one's post on time?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."
Shang Chen then asked "And what is the punishment for rebelling against the Emperor?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."

Men are governed by a razor's edge of hope and fear; if the law is too lenient and has no interest in addressing the crime, then it has no power. If the law is too harsh, it has no power either, because the robber will become a rapist, and the rapist will become a murderer. When all crimes are equally punished, all crimes are equally valid.

You seem to have missed the fucking point. I'm not advocating we kill people for being late, I'm advocating for killing people for robbery, rape, murder, and being a communist, jew, or black.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

You seem to have missed the fucking point. I'm not advocating we kill people for being late, I'm advocating for killing people for robbery, rape, murder, and being a communist, jew, or black.

I didn't miss your point; indeed, you seem to have missed mine, even though I outlined it right beneath. Allow me to repeat it:

Men are governed by a razor's edge of hope and fear; if the law is too lenient and has no interest in addressing the crime, then it has no power. If the law is too harsh, it has no power either, because the robber will become a rapist, and the rapist will become a murderer. When all crimes are equally punished, all crimes are equally valid.

Your apish suggestion of ethnic cleansing being an extension of justice, I assume, is nothing but vapid shitposting.

 

[Urist Steelthrone]

1. The earliest organized crime syndicates date back to Mesopotamia, where exactly this kind of judicial philosophy was practiced; having a hand severed was likely a sentence of death by blood poisoning or starvation.
2. Let me tell you about how the first revolution in China happened. At the time, China was under the rule of emperors who embraced Legalism, which had the same idea that you seem to have about punishment; that without harsh punishment, no man will be honest, and that by brutally punishing all criminal acts, the people can be made proper.
Captain Shang Chen was leading 900 troops to Yuyang. As they were moving, heavy storms made the roads muddy, and it became clear that they would not arrive in Yuyang by the deadline. Shang asked his lieutenant, Guang Wu, "What is the punishment for failing to arrive at one's post on time?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."
Shang Chen then asked "And what is the punishment for rebelling against the Emperor?"
Guang Wu replied "Death, sir."

Men are governed by a razor's edge of hope and fear; if the law is too lenient and has no interest in addressing the crime, then it has no power. If the law is too harsh, it has no power either, because the robber will become a rapist, and the rapist will become a murderer. When all crimes are equally punished, all crimes are equally valid.

You could argue that life in prison is a punishment too. You get shitty food, you don't have freedom and you have to live with the fact that you killed people. Joining a gang in prison sucks more than regular prison life. Shitty initiation rituals, constantly fighting against people, no free will because you're a pawn, etc.

Killing is mercy to me unless it's a karmic kill.

 

[GethN7]

So long as the crime is sufficiently heinous to warrant death (and child rape is certainly of that nature) as a legal punishment, so long as the commission of the punishment in question is subject to appropriate judicial review, I see no objection to death as an ultimate punishment to heinous crimes.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

I didn't miss your point; indeed, you seem to have missed mine, even though I outlined it right beneath. Allow me to repeat it:

Men are governed by a razor's edge of hope and fear; if the law is too lenient and has no interest in addressing the crime, then it has no power. If the law is too harsh, it has no power either, because the robber will become a rapist, and the rapist will become a murderer. When all crimes are equally punished, all crimes are equally valid.

Your apish suggestion of ethnic cleansing being an extension of justice, I assume, is nothing but vapid shitposting.

You aren't as smart as you think you are. Name 5 reasons we need blacks, commies, and jews.

 

[Eigengrau]

It's easy to give the death sentence when thinking in abstract terms, where some criminals are truly evil and they can be proven guilty beyond any doubt. The problem comes trying to applying those policies in the real world.

Realistically, there's always some shadow of doubt in trials. Witnesses lie worryingly often and we know better than anyone how often the press lies. People make mistakes, and it's dangerous to have those mistakes be irreversible when the alternative (spending life miserably in a tiny box) is just as harsh. Consider what happens when people aren't just incompetent but straight up corrupt.

Besides, morality isn't as cut and clear as it might seem. Some people consider browsing this site a cardinal sin, so what if in 20 or 30 years they become the culturally dominant force? They'll have a legal process for rounding us all up.

 

[Un Platano]

Believing that pedophiles or any other criminal should be drawn and quartered or dissolved in a vat of acid or any other of the myriad deaths people can come up with is an overtly anti-8th amendment sentiment.

 

[GethN7]

Besides, morality isn't as cut and clear as it might seem. Some people consider browsing this site a cardinal sin, so what if in 20 or 30 years they become the culturally dominant force? They'll have a legal process for rounding us all up.

And that's something the law is designed to prevent. Laws are not decided by emotion alone, they are generally evaluated by their ability to safeguard people balanced against their ability to infringe on their rights.

For example, yelling fire in a crowded theater is considered, on the objective merits of it being dangerous speech that could lead to harm due to causing panic, a crime to utter because it's speech with a proven ability to hurt other people by spreading willful deceit if there is not really a fire.

Browsing this site is no worse than browsing anywhere else where people gossip. If you shut this place down, you'd have to shut down every other place where people are discussed in a similar manner like Reddit. Despite all the doom and gloom about this place being a cathedral of hate that kills people, when you strip the emotion away, that's a bullshit argument and anyone who adjudicates laws would realize that.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Honestly it doesn't matter what we think, because in the civilized world, people who fuck sheep, dogs and kids don't get sentenced to death.

Although you say that you don't trust governments, you are generally talking to a group of people from countries where there is a system of checks and balances and due process. Our grandfathers weren't shot by Stalin's henchmen. Neither were our uncles and aunts suffering under the weight of tyrannical state police like the Stasi etc etc. So I understand your point of view, coming from a country in which terror is a theme, going back centuries.

Our system is far from perfect, but it does set limits on what crimes are punishable by death and it is a narrow range, limited to first degree murder and "complicated murder" (not the proper term) and treason.

So whether or not the state should gun down dog fuckers and kiddy diddlers is a moot point.

No, they shouldn't be killed. They simply should be given very narrow terms of their parole, and an anklet, for life, if I had my way.

A messed up kid though, could have 80 more years to be a fucked up adult. Predatory pedophiles must be stopped, but legally we can't kill them.

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About this Levi Snakething guy, and his jizz-in-ass accomplices, after reading five pages of their chats, I couldn't take it anymore.

We also have something in this country called vigilante justice. After reading about he would chum a rotting stake with honey, and stick it into a bitch-puppy's vagina to attract fire ants ...All bets are off. As far as due process is concerned, in my view.

Unfortunately he will probably be protected by the criminal justice system for decades.

 

[Book Thief]

I say we bring back crucifixion for convicted child/animal molesters, prop them up in public areas and start handing out lawn darts.

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

You aren't as smart as you think you are. Name 5 reasons we need blacks, commies, and jews.

Name five reasons we need you.
That's not an insult; that's just a fair application of your philosophy. Besides, the reduction of people to objects useful only in their utility to the collective is... well, very similar to the attitude many Communist states espouse.

 

[Non-Expert!]

You aren't as smart as you think you are. Name 5 reasons we need blacks, commies, and jews.

Not following here bud.

Why do we need Whites, capitalists, and Christians? For that matter, why do we need Chinese, Indians or French people? Mexicans are also useless, for that matter.

I am assuming that in your world, Jews, Blacks and Commies have only one purpose and role in this world, which is to be a Jew, Black or a Commie. They can't also be streetsweepers, nurses, police officers, teachers?

Anyway, since when does a person's perceived utility become a measure if s/he should be allowed to live?

Even dog rapists and kiddy fuckers have a purpose in life ...

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Not following here bud.

Why do we need Whites, capitalists, and Christians? For that matter, why do we need Chinese, Indians or French people? Mexicans are also useless, for that matter.

I am assuming that in your world, Jews, Blacks and Commies have only one purpose and role in this world, which is to be a Jew, Black or a Commie. They can't also be streetsweepers, nurses, police officers, teachers?

Anyway, since when does a person's perceived utility become a measure if s/he should be allowed to live?

Even dog rapists and kiddy fuckers have a purpose in life ...

13/52. Reminder that if America where all white the US would have the same gun crime rate as Belgium.

The US has a cancer and it isn't whites, Christians, or capitalists.