Debate user Saint Agustin on why you need an AR-15? - Why you need a long ass rifle? Are you gay or you lack dick?

lolnigger, it isn't about needing another ar-15... it is about being born with the freedom to buy ten of them every day until I die - and throw them all in the lake on any day I choose. AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
 
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AR15s are neither expensive or uncommon, in fact its literally the best-selling gun in America.
Uberpenguin said:
Well you see, most of the individuals I know who own rifles like that have nothing else to spend their money on, since they are depressed childless individuals or deadbeats full of regret who have no passion in life yet still go to work because it is routine and expected of them and they'd have nothing else to do anyways.

However despite the aimless unfulfilled lives they lead, they wish to convince themselves they are not consoomers but rather based individuals, and thus they piss their money away on expensive firearms instead of regular sheeple goods while pretending it is different.


AR-15s absolutely have their uses, but the kind of people who most frequently buy them do not.
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Damn. I usually try to avoid ad hominems but you really sound like you're projecting here

Uberpenguin said:
Ok, sure, if you're trying to defend a mansion.

In a home defense situation you aren't shooting someone 50 feet away, you're shooting someone 10 feet away.
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Uberpenguin said:
Power barely matters, if you have armored men storming your house you have bigger problems, and again, use a short barrelled shotgun then if you're concerned about that.

I'm not even a gun nut, it's just basic logic that the idea of a rifle for home defense is silly.
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A rifle at 10 feet is (functionally) just as deadly as a shotgun or pistol at 10 feet. People buy the rifle because it has a longer range than a shotgun or a pistol, and thus can be used for more purposes.

"Basic logic" suggests if you're on a budget and need one gun that is good for multiple purposes, a rifle is perfectly fine.

Also you're wrong when you say "power doesn't matter"- power does matter, especially at close range, because if an enemy is close, you need to disable/kill them before they can lay hands or otherwise harm you. Especially if they also have a weapon.

There's quite a few stories of various criminals taking hits from small caliber rounds like .22s and surviving long enough to hurt or kill others.
Uberpenguin said:
Pistols or short barreled shotguns are going to be what works in home defense. This isn't a range, you need to be able to shoot people basically up until the point they're on top of you, and having two feet of barrel sticking out in front of you going around corners is lunacy.
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1) Yes, needing to shoot people until they're on top of you is important, which is why power is important
2) Short barreled shotguns are illegal in many jurisdictions, and often have to be a minimum length
3) most rifles don't have two-foot barrels, especially not the AR-type weapons,
4) ARs are about the same size as the military M4, which is regularly used in enclosed spaces with no issue
 
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AR-15s are for pussies, .308 or death

Seriously though I prefer Russian or German stuff over Gay Arrs but that's just me. Also, if you want firearms banned, there are other countries where you can go if you seriously give that much of a shit.
 
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Uberpenguin said:
Well you see, most of the individuals I know who own rifles like that have nothing else to spend their money on, since they are depressed childless individuals or deadbeats full of regret who have no passion in life yet still go to work because it is routine and expected of them and they'd have nothing else to do anyways.

However despite the aimless unfulfilled lives they lead, they wish to convince themselves they are not consoomers but rather based individuals, and thus they piss their money away on expensive firearms instead of regular sheeple goods while pretending it is different.

AR-15s absolutely have their uses, but the kind of people who most frequently buy them do not.


Ok, sure, if you're trying to defend a mansion.

In a home defense situation you aren't shooting someone 50 feet away, you're shooting someone 10 feet away.

Pistols or short barreled shotguns are going to be what works in home defense. This isn't a range, you need to be able to shoot people basically up until the point they're on top of you, and having two feet of barrel sticking out in front of you going around corners is lunacy.
Power barely matters, if you have armored men storming your house you have bigger problems, and again, use a short barrelled shotgun then if you're concerned about that.

I'm not even a gun nut, it's just basic logic that the idea of a rifle for home defense is silly.
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I'll elaborate since the last sentence of mine was kind of a joke- my personal choice for a home defense weapon is a Benelli semi-auto shotgun loaded with slugs. Some people like buckshot, I like slugs. At the range I'd be in a home defense situation it makes little difference.

Just due to the compromises you make in hand grip availability, pistols are not ideal . Unless you've got very steady hands they're not easy to get back on target for a follow up shot.

It depends though on what you have to defend. If you've got a large amount of acreage where you may encounter varmints like coyotes, groundhogs, etc- an AR is a nice step up from a .22LR. If you're cramped into an urban apartment, then yeah, a Mossberg 500 with a 20 inch barrel is a better choice. And ultimately a lot of guns in home defense are used as a deterrent more than an actual weapon. An unarmed thief breaks in, sees a shooting iron, he's probably gonna book it instead of fight you.

Criminals are a cowardly lot.

Also,home defense and hunting isn't actually what the 2nd Amendment protects.
 
Red Hood said:
I'll elaborate since the last sentence of mine was kind of a joke- my personal choice for a home defense weapon is a Benelli semi-auto shotgun loaded with slugs. Some people like buckshot, I like slugs. At the range I'd be in a home defense situation it makes little difference.

Just due to the compromises you make in hand grip availability, pistols are not ideal . Unless you've got very steady hands they're not easy to get back on target for a follow up shot.

It depends though on what you have to defend. If you've got a large amount of acreage where you may encounter varmints like coyotes, groundhogs, etc- an AR is a nice step up from a .22LR. If you're cramped into an urban apartment, then yeah, a Mossberg 500 with a 20 inch barrel is a better choice. And ultimately a lot of guns in home defense are used as a deterrent more than an actual weapon. An unarmed thief breaks in, sees a shooting iron, he's probably gonna book it instead of fight you.

Criminals are a cowardly lot.

Also,home defense and hunting isn't actually what the 2nd Amendment protects.
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A criminal is a mix between a coward and a businessman.

Also, it's kinda strange how the rifle is venerated, but a sword, grenade, or knuckleduster are not, although they are technically "arms." But yes I always cringe inside when I hear some fudd yap about "you don't need so and so to take on a deer" and more so when some numale soycunt opens his cock holster about any kind of projectile weapon.
 
I do not feel safe unless I'm in artillery distance of my Krupp cannon th-3081832714.jpg
 
You're right, I don't need an AR15.












Because I already got one, thinking about getting either an AK or a bullpup.
 
I didn't want an AR-15 until I kept hearing my friends on the left talk about how it's a weapon of war fully automatic machine gun, which honestly sounds cool as fuck. Now I'm intrigued...
 
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You don't get to decide what I need or don't need so the question doesn't arise really. You have no power over me on this so I don't need to justify myself to you

You can ask but your obvious puerile hostility also means an obligation for me to seriously consider your opinion also doesn't arise
 
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Duke Nukem said:
Furriest with guns is kind of a thing, but I have yet to encounter one with a rocket launcher.
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See? I could understand having an AR-15 if it meant you are going to take a furry with an rpg... Or a furry with another AR-15... Or a furry with a glock... Or a furry with just the fursuit.

You know what? AR-15 should be the go to weapons for furrycide.
 
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Unarmed Gunman said:
I didn't want an AR-15 until I kept hearing my friends on the left talk about how it's a weapon of war fully automatic machine gun, which honestly sounds cool as fuck. Now I'm intrigued...
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It is nowhere near that much fun sadly.
Saint Agustin said:
Ok.

Gun go brr.

Got it.
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They don’t even go brr though, if you want a gun like that you need five figures and to be bent over by the ATF for years until they decide to let you have the privilege of buying one.
 
Frankly I just like committing crimes with my completely legally obtained firearm, which I tragically lost in a boating accident.
 
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