Debate vintologi about MTF HRT and feminization or whatever I seriously don't give a shit about

fetid_sewer_rat said:
nah. take a look at the nose bridge. the jawline is pretty masculine too.
The first one has a male chin, clever move hiding the jowls behind hair tho.
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The 1st one I think is a weird looking person so yeah could be a guy, but I'm still kinda convinced the 2nd one is someone's sister

Also if transgenders supposedly have the brain of the sex they identify with, why do MTF always love gaming, guns, airsoft, anime and porn? Why are their rooms always gross and why do they need to win every argument?
 
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Deepland Bystander said:
Another 'my friend is trooning out story'. Is my friend a lost cause? I wonder what is happening here?

A while back my friend who's obviously doing it for the fetish (he likes roleplaying as a woman online through fake facebook accounts and RP communities) told me he wanted to troon out and I told him to think deeply about it - and was asking for advice here what to do. Today he just posted that he's already 1 month on HRT... I think anyone who trooned out at the current time is beyond saving, not until troon activism gain a large enough backlash...

Something that's questionable to me though is that he changed a lot in personality a few years back since his dad died, suddenly became cold, unable to tolerate feelings, everything became a matter of work and competition for him... to the point that he almost broke up with his girlfriend for it. Almost sociopathic and very nitpicky at things... there's a feeling that he's annoyed by everything around him.. do you think this is related to troonism?
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Seems like he was unable to function as a male in society after his father died and this made him more willing to go on HRT.

 
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vintologi said:
Here is what i wrote earlier on r/transmaxxing


So your brain might already be more feminine than the male average prior to HRT but you need HRT to get an actual female brain.
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Deepland Bystander said:
Another 'my friend is trooning out story'. Is my friend a lost cause? I wonder what is happening here?

I've told this story here A while back my friend who's obviously doing it for the fetish (he likes roleplaying as a woman online through fake facebook accounts and RP communities) told me he wanted to troon out and I told him to think deeply about it, he told me he sought out a psychologist and then went.. quiet... Today he just posted that he's already 1 month on HRT... I think anyone who trooned out at the current time is beyond saving, not until troon activism gain a large enough backlash.

Something that's questionable to me though is that he changed a lot in personality a few years back since his dad died, suddenly became cold, unable to tolerate feelings, everything became a matter of work and competition for him... to the point that he almost broke up with his girlfriend for it. Though I wouldn't say.. failed men, his career performance shoot up and he was working nonstop afterwards. BUT he became almost sociopathic and very nitpicky at a lot of things when I talked to him that he became uncomfortable to be around with... Do you think this is related to troonism?

Based on his current personality, I don't think he's ever stoppable now.
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He's essentially preparing himself for a burnout, depression and possible suicide.
Avoid him like the plague unless you're prepared to deal with this.
Happened to an engineer I used to work with, hyperproductive on the job, hypersexual at home.
Lasted for four months and then Kaboom mental breakdown and now on antidepressants.
 
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nippleonbonerfart said:
Should trans men be allowed to compete in women's chess since they now have male-brain privilege?
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Absolutely not.

poggers said:
Also if transgenders supposedly have the brain of the sex they identify with, why do MTF always love gaming, guns, airsoft, anime and porn? Why are their rooms always gross and why do they need to win every argument?
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Male socialization and having been on male hormones (especially since puberty).

If a particular interest has been established it will often persist even with a changed brain. There is however many cases of trans females losing interest in things like video games (anecdotes, i am not aware of any study regarding this).
 
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NOT Sword Fighter Super said:
What about man hands, though?
Can't do shit about that.
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There is a lot of overlap between the sexes

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smallpianokeyboards.org

Hand span data - recent Australian study - Alternatively Sized Piano Keyboards

Summary of results of Australian study of pianists' hand spans, including gender and ethnic differences
smallpianokeyboards.org smallpianokeyboards.org
 
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You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

Men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even trannies who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bone structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy home with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a whiff of your diseased, infected axe wound.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a man is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably male.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
 
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vintologi said:
Their brains is typically somewhere in between (more to the male side) prior to HRT.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Regional volumes and spatial volumetric distribution of gray matter in the gender dysphoric brain - PubMed

The sexual differentiation of the brain is primarily driven by gonadal hormones during fetal development. Leading theories on the etiology of gender dysphoria (GD) involve deviations herein. To examine whether there are signs of a sex-atypical brain development in GD, we quantified regional...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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The problem of these studies is that we already know that people who are homosexual have brains similar to that of the other sex. A lot of homosexuals also have gender dysphoria. That will obscure the data because what would be because of transness and what because of gayness. It's the constant problem when you want to check the brains.
 
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https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2014.899174

MtF prior to transitioning
Body Image scale, 43.25
Quality of Life scale, 62.50
Quality of Sexual Life scale, 56.25
Interpersonal Relation-ship scale, 50.25

MtF after transition
Body Image subscale average score was 68.75 (p<0.05)
Quality of Life score was 72.2 (p<0.05)
Quality of Sexual Life scale score was 62.05(p<0.05)
The Interpersonal Relationship scale reported an average score of 75 (p<0.05)

FtM comparason
Despite being significantly more dysphoric prior to transitioning they did not improve as much in terms of quality of life. It seems like AFAB individuals where more reluctant to transition (less of them in the study, more dysphoric) but the ones that actually transitioned were very happy with the physical results regarding their bodies.
MtF Body image: +25.5
FtM body image: +41.4
MtF quality of life: +9.7
FtM quality of life: +5.5

FtM prior to transitioning
Body Image scale, 21.85;
Qual-ity of Life scale, 63.25
Quality of Sexual Lifescale, 50.25
Interpersonal Relationship scale, 50.02.

FtM after transition
Body Image subscalescore was 63.25 (p<0.05)
the average Quality of Life score was 68.75 (p=ns)
the average Quality of Sexual Life scale scorewas 56.25 (p=ns)
the Interpersonal Relationship scale average score was 81.25(p<0.05).

Most MtF individuals in the study probably didn't pass
This explains why their social relationships did not improve as much as FtM individuals, it was difficult for them to pass as the opposite sex.
Age: 32.7±8.8 yr
Height: 172±7.38 cm
 
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vintologi said:
https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1080/15532739.2014.899174

MtF prior to transitioning
Body Image scale, 43.25
Quality of Life scale, 62.50
Quality of Sexual Life scale, 56.25
Interpersonal Relation-ship scale, 50.25

MtF after transition
Body Image subscale average score was 68.75 (p<0.05)
Quality of Life score was 72.2 (p<0.05)
Quality of Sexual Life scale score was 62.05(p<0.05)
The Interpersonal Relationship scale reported an average score of 75 (p<0.05)

FtM comparason
Despite being significantly more dysphoric prior to transitioning they did not improve as much in terms of quality of life. It seems like AFAB individuals where more reluctant to transition (less of them in the study, more dysphoric) but the ones that actually transitioned were very happy with the physical results regarding their bodies.
MtF Body image: +25.5
FtM body image: +41.4
MtF quality of life: +9.7
FtM quality of life: +5.5

FtM prior to transitioning
Body Image scale, 21.85;
Qual-ity of Life scale, 63.25
Quality of Sexual Lifescale, 50.25
Interpersonal Relationship scale, 50.02.

FtM after transition
Body Image subscalescore was 63.25 (p<0.05)
the average Quality of Life score was 68.75 (p=ns)
the average Quality of Sexual Life scale scorewas 56.25 (p=ns)
the Interpersonal Relationship scale average score was 81.25(p<0.05).

Most MtF individuals in the study probably didn't pass
This explains why their social relationships did not improve as much as FtM individuals, it was difficult for them to pass as the opposite sex.
Age: 32.7±8.8 yr
Height: 172±7.38 cm
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MtF after transition
Suicide average score was 41.0
 
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