Debate Whether Christianity Is Heckin' Based and Red-Pilled or Subversive and Jewish

[The Tall Man]

Eh, there are prophecies about babies being tossed against rocks in the Old Testament? That is the gentiles will ravage Jerusalem? Nearly all Jewish prophecies either refer to persecution or it’s a subtext of prior experience.

There is an endless amount of prophecies that Jews interpret into the Torah, but the ones I am talking about are the straight forward ones that most of them believe.
There is a big difference between a prophecy in Christianity and Judaism, Jews try to hasten the coming of the Messiah meaning they try actively make prophecy happen. They have to be the agents of Hashem and prophecies are more of a plan or goal for them to reach.

And my favorite Kiwi Jew has explained the mainstream perspective of what has to happen to Edom in the end times.

Also so what? Christianity and Islam(and Judaism) valorize the concept of martyrdom. Victory through death, and through the commitment to one’s witness.

Judaism doesn't, Judaism is all about wining no matter what.

Christians and Muslims have experienced persecution historically, as have Jews. So it figures martyrdom and (worldly) defeat would figure into it.

That is true and it seems equally true among all of them.

So what would be the point of Jesus? He's not a heathen. He's not even European. What would be the point of it?

I guess Gamaliel and Paul just loved the idea of getting the Romans who destroyed their temple to worship a Jew.

 

[Ishtar]

Judaism doesn't, Judaism is all about wining no matter what.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom_in_Judaism#:~:text=Martyrdom%20of%20Jews%20is%20a,such%20as%20Lulianos%20and%20Paphos.

Given how much even modern Israel valorizes Masada this isn’t true?

And my favorite Kiwi Jew has explained the mainstream perspective of what has to happen to Edom in the end times.

Edom as being understood as Europe or the Roman Empire IIRC is a later rabbinic idea? Maybe not? As it is, what of it? The Edomites historically were some of Israel’s most indomitable and relentless enemies-of course rabbis in the fifth or eleventh century would identify Rome with Edom.

As for prophesying destruction-Jewish prophets in the Old Testament make prophecies of destruction left and right. Again-Israel historically had many enemies, and so it prayed for divine vindication and vengeance against them. Whether that be Assyria, Babylon, Edom, Moab, the philistines, etc…

There is a big difference between a prophecy in Christianity and Judaism, Jews try to hasten the coming of the Messiah meaning they try actively make prophecy happen. They have to be the agents of Hashem and prophecies are more of a plan or goal for them to reach.

Okay, how many Jews actually literally believe in the Messiah? Are we including secular or atheist Jews? Reform Jews? You seem to be hung up on the Jews believing in their own religion they will be vindicated, glorified and the gentiles will acknowledge their chosenness.

Why wouldn’t they believe this?

If you’re an atheist or a pagan-and you believe the Jewish religion is false, why does this upset you so much?

I guess Gamaliel and Paul just loved the idea of getting the Romans who destroyed their temple to worship a Jew.

You mean, the same Paul who died in 64 AD? Six years before the temple’s destruction? If you’re going to posit a grand Jewish conspiracy at least get your dates accurate.

 

[The Tall Man]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrdom_in_Judaism#:~:text=Martyrdom of Jews is a,such as Lulianos and Paphos.
Given how much even modern Israel valorizes Masada this isn’t true?

As real as their 6million WW2 martyrs.

As for prophesying destruction-Jewish prophets in the Old Testament make prophecies of destruction left and right. Again-Israel historically had many enemies, and so it prayed for divine vindication and vengeance against them.

As said, it doesn't matter how many looney prophecies and fringe prophecies there are.
Destroying the West is a mainstream prophecy in Judaism.
The Edomites/People of European origin have to be erased from history.
There is an endless stream of Rabbis, Reform, Mizrahi, Chabad repeating this prophecy.

Okay, how many Jews actually literally believe in the Messiah?

Many, I can name you a few. Greenblatt, HIAS president Mark Hetfield, Shapiro, Prager, Wexner, Bibi, Kushner

If you’re an atheist or a pagan-and you believe the Jewish religion is false, why does this upset you so much?

Why I have a problem with a religion whos stated goal it is to eradicate my people from the face of the earth?

 

[Insuficiencia renal]

Jews would go extinct without whites.

 

[Ed Special]

Jews would go extinct without whites.

Shit, maybe the BNWO faggots on Twitter are on to something...

 

[Ishtar]

As said, it doesn't matter how many looney prophecies and fringe prophecies there are.
Destroying the West is a mainstream prophecy in Judaism.
The Edomites/People of European origin have to be erased from history.
There is an endless stream of Rabbis, Reform, Mizrahi, Chabad repeating this prophecy.

I’m going to need sources for this claim. Give me a rabbi from each major Jewish sect saying this, and saying this within the last fifty years. Do that and I’ll concede this point.

As said, it doesn't matter how many looney prophecies and fringe prophecies there are.
Destroying the West is a mainstream prophecy in Judaism.

If you’ve even skimmed the Old Testament prophets you would know there are loads of
prophecies in Judaism. Messianic prophecies, prophecies of doom, of victory, of vengeance.

Why I have a problem with a religion whos stated goal it is to eradicate my people from the face of the earth?

That is disturbing, but this isn’t unique to Jews. Black nationalists, certain Islamic groups, even the Chinese if they could. Hell the entire continent of Africa would kill Whitey. Jews to be fair have more means to do so. But the fact they hate us, isn’t unique to them.

Also Jewish racial animus towards Europeans can and does exist without a religious motivation. For every rabbi you can find talking about the destruction of Edom-you can find a dozen, perhaps a hundred atheist or secular Jews that work day and night to import Africans and promote pornography, race mixing and communism.

Jews correctly see themselves as a people apart, and they view us with envy and resentment, as much as sheer atavistic racial animus.

As real as their 6million WW2 martyrs.

Masada did happen, though the death toll was probably exaggerated. Other instances of Jewish martyrdom have occurred. Israel has a moment of wailing sirens for the holocaust. So they do have a tradition of glorying martyrs.

 

[The Tall Man]

I’m going to need sources for this claim

The rabbis attached in the videos spell it all out for you.
The top video is a reform rabbi, and in the lower you have Chabad and Haredi, which is already the vast majority of Judaism.
If you want an endless stream of different rabbis lusting for the destruction of the West, then just check out seethroughitall on twitter.

If you’ve even skimmed the Old Testament prophets you would know there are loads of
prophecies in Judaism. Messianic prophecies, prophecies of doom, of victory, of vengeance.

And none of them are good for the goyim.
The destruction of the West has entire books dedicated to it, it's a core aspect of Judaism.
It is the obvious conclusion of the most important rule of Judaism.

Perhaps a hundred atheist or secular Jews that work day and night to import Africans and promote pornography,

Barbara Specter is married to a Rabbi. Greenblatt and HIAS president Mark Hetfield are religious. Rabbi Solomon Friedman owner of Pornhub is religious.
I have yet to see prove that a significant number of these elusive atheist Jews that are actively working to destroy the West exist outside of Hollywood actors.
I hear the Prager/Shapiro sphere always claim it's the JINOs, but where is the evidence?
They claim Greenblatt is a Jino which is ridiculous, Greenblatt even stated himself the first thing he does every morning is read from his prayer book.

So they do have a tradition of glorying martyrs.

Correct, like all ideologies.
I am confident in saying; they are mostly fake, since they didn't die for Judaism or being Jewish.

 

[Ishtar]

The rabbis attached in the videos spell it all out for you.
The top video is a reform rabbi, and in the lower you have Chabad and Haredi, which is already the vast majority of Judaism.
If you want an endless stream of different rabbis lusting for the destruction of the West, then just check out seethroughitall on twitter.

You're mistaken if you think I'm not familiar with this. I absolutely am.

And none of them are good for the goyim.
The destruction of the West has entire books dedicated to it, it's a core aspect of Judaism.
It is the obvious conclusion of the most important rule of Judaism.

The West is already destroyed. If the Jews won, it was in May 1945. It is already over. We live under Jewish rule today.

Correct, like all ideologies.
I am confident in saying; they are mostly fake, since they didn't die for Judaism or being Jewish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiddush_Hashem

It has happened, either in ancient times or more recently. Usually it involves Jews refusing to give up their religion or more cynically jews that die in revolts.