Debate whether DUI laws are working or should be repealed

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Most DUI laws should be lifted.

Yes.

I know your potential knee-jerk response. You might think I’m condoning drunk driving or the lives lost in the act. You might think I’m stupid or naive for entertaining the idea that recklessness should be legal.

But there are three reasons why DUI laws as I know it kinda make me intellectually upset.

First, cops’ reports of apparent intoxication are often arbitrary. Several visits to DUI attorney websites may reveal that you can be charged for as little as:

- Abnormal eye, face, or body movements. Many of these can be normal, everyday behavior for people with autism, motor disorders, etc.

- Slurred or inappropriate speech. Again, this can be part of a condition. Alternatively, it can be just part of a person’s normal speech, whether it’s cultural, regional, generational, etc. One’s ability to speak perfectly smooth Oxford or PBS English has little to do with their ability to operate a motor vehicle.

- Excitability. See the above.

- Inability to follow arbitrary actions to a T, such as recite a given portion of the alphabet and going past a certain letter, or singing instead of speaking it.

- Inability to balance on one leg. See the above portion on motor skills. Driving is something you do sitting down.

- Driving below the speed limits. Someone who lives in an area where only freeways are marked 55mph might intuitively drive 35 on a city road. This can still be a problem but might not suggest as severe of intoxication.

Second, objective chemical tests are flawed.

Roadside breath tests are known to be thrown off by alcohol still in the mouth, and cops are supposed to wait if one consumed the drink immediately before the test, but they might not do that.

The blood tests are made with the assumption that (1) BAC peaks immediately after alcohol is consumed and (2) alcohol leaves the person’s body at a predictable rate. However, BAC can rise after you drink, especially if you had food with your alcohol, meaning a significant spike can happen when the food, alcohol and all enters your small intestine. Gastric emptying rates are slower in women, so that’s something to think about…

Third, the laws are enforced so inconsistently and seem to be based on preventative, hypothetical justice.

Murder and manslaughter by vehicle are already crimes. And DUI is enforced so inconsistently that unless there is a murder, many people get away with this crime on a regular basis.

Imagine someone who now has to completely replan their life, is now in severe debt, is without transportation that can keep them out of potential heatstroke, and now is a Webster’s-textbook criminal, because she had a single margarita with her meal. Fuck that, especially considering that so many people are never caught doing much more. Most of the people who decided to drink went home with a comparable amount of alcohol in their systems.

Does the punishment fit the crime? Isn’t just speeding also a risk? Why does this hypothetical warrant a more severe punishment? Especially considering that a poor, young, or unestablished person might feel the effects of it more strongly. One little margarita changed my friend’s life for good. It might have cost her a potential career as an animator. I don’t even think she’s an alcoholic per se, any more than your average joe who enjoys a beer every once in a while.
The law is an excuse for police officers’ synapses to deny their power by offloading its apparent source onto a bunch of sacred squiggles suggesting sounds that give their very biased discretions said power. These words have no more meaning than we allow them to have, and I don’t think they convey truth itself as much as they convey whatever the dominant culture considers worth compartmentalizing and talking about. Fuck this discretionary worship of THUH LAAA based on flimsy science. It’s ruining people’s lives claiming it’s fair, while being very unfair in how inconsistently it’s enforced.
 
Drinking and driving isn't cool. I did that dumb shit when I was younger and it was reckless and unnecessary. It's one of those laws that are necessary.

If someone gets a dui, they deserve to have to have a interlock on their ignition. 1, to teach them a lesson, 2, to break a bad habit, 3, to not endanger everyone around.
 
If someone kills me with a car I don't really care that much whether he was drunk, a nigger, a woman, old, or just stupid. If someone kills someone with a car, kill that guy whether he was drunk or not, but just stopping peaceful drunk drivers for no reason is a an act of tyranny and violates the Non-Aggression Principle. As drunk driving is a victimless crime until you kill someone. Also if you kill someone with a car the penalty should be being killed with a car as well on a live stream preferably because it would be a) just and b) you will repay your debt to the Society by providing solid entertainment
 
OP is a faggot.
Anyways, I personally feel that you and your disgusting ass should be dragged to jail if you're driving under influence. Alcohol, weed, whatever, it doesn't matter, you're endangering lives.
And I say this as someone who's okay with a fairly liberal drug policy. It's one thing to know you got wasted/high/tripping and go to bed (maybe have a pleasantly weird dream or two), being reckless due to psychoactive substances is a telltale sign you're an addict and should be sent to rehab, pronto.
 
All druggies should be imprisoned and a real red blooded drunk driver wouldn't let 1 single arrest stop them, your friend is a coward and you come off as very gay and stupid in your post.
 
How about you don't drink and drive, legal or otherwise? Even I won't touch my keys for a while if I touch a bottle.

As an aside, DUI is the most common offense among people who aren't "career" criminals. So I kind of understand where you're coming from. But these convictions make LE a lot of money so they're probably not going to repeal shit. And with the legalization of cannabis, another potential DUI cash camel is just around the corner.
 
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I'd sure love to see the data on how many false DUI arrests of autistic people or stroke-addled retards or whatever lead to actual DUI convictions, as opposed to being thrown out in court.

Imagine someone who now has to completely replan their life, is now in severe debt, is without transportation that can keep them out of potential heatstroke, and now is a Webster’s-textbook criminal, because she had a single margarita with her meal.
I can't imagine that, because it's retarded. She wouldn't have to face severe debt and all that shit just because she had a single margarita with her meal. She could potentially have to face severe debt and all that shit if she had a margarita with her meal-- it's funny how every drunk driver in history has only ever had one drink, they promise-- chose to get behind the wheel of a car, drove in a way that led her to being pulled over or got caught at a checkpoint, gave the cop a reason to suspect she was intoxicated, failed whatever sobriety test they gave her, and failed to get it bumped down to lesser charge in court.

Your friend chose to drink, and your friend chose to drive. Fuck your friend. Fuck everyone who drinks and drives, they're the scum of the Earth.

Fuck that, especially considering that so many people are never caught doing much more.
"We shouldn't punish people who break the law, because other people get away with breaking the law." Pure retard logic, and I'm being generous when I call it "logic." It's something a toddler would think. "It's not fair that I'm in trouble! That other kid did something way worse, and he's not in trouble!" Grow up.
 
Actually, I would tweak them a bit. I'd bump the legal limit up to 0.10 where it used to be, but make the penalties very severe if you drive over that limit. You know you're too impaired to drive at 0.10 BAC (at least I do)...the current 0.08 is borderline depending on your tolerance but once you push up to the old limit there's no question.

That provides some breathing room for normal people who might have miscalculated their level of intoxication and deals with the reality that restaurants and bars out of necessity have to allow people to drink and drive to stay open. There's just no way around that in the US outside of major cities.

I got a DUI back in my early 20's so I have some firsthand experience with this...
 
- Abnormal eye, face, or body movements. Many of these can be normal, everyday behavior for people with autism, motor disorders, etc.
hell yeah my nigga let's set these people up with some F35s and Chevys
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One little margarita changed my friend’s life for good. It might have cost her a potential career as an animator. I don’t even think she’s an alcoholic per se, any more than your average joe who enjoys a beer every once in a while.
It's ok to enjoy a beer once in a while. It's not ok to sit on the driver's seat after that. She can arrange transport for herself or take a cab if she needs to go somewhere after drinking.

It’s ruining people’s lives claiming it’s fair, while being very unfair in how inconsistently it’s enforced.
I agree, it should be enforced consistently and with no exceptions.
 
I agree with OP.

In the bad old days idiots would repeatedly drive drunk, get little more than a traffic ticket until they killed or crippled someone.

Finally people had enough, grass roots activism happened and Mothers Against Drunk Drivers championed the nationwide standard of .1 BAC as intoxication. Fatalities fell nationwide.

Do you think MADD patted themselves on the back as congratulations for a job well done and disbanded?
Of course they didn't.
They kicked out the founder and kept pushing for ever stricter DUI laws.
.1 has been replaced with .08 or .05 in some states.
Not to mention you can still be charged if you blow .001 and the cops Spidey sense tells him you are actually drunk.
Happy hours or any kind of drink specials have been outlawed in some states.
Not to mention the states are blackmailed by DOT funding to all have laws against open containers and 21 as the drinking age.

I have never understood the legality of ticketing every person in a car because the cop finds one open beer can.
I also don't understand how you can vote, can be required to register for the draft (if your male) yet are not legally able to buy a beer.

Much like how a coin toss is a more accurate predictor of drug possession than allegedly highly trained drug sniffing dogs, the various scientific and behavior analyst used by police to determine intoxication are subjective at best and down right crooked at the worst.

Has anyone else noticed the subtle changes in the language used by the enforcers?

First it was Don't drive drunk.
Good advice, I don't think anyone wants to go back to the days of "I can't walk a straight line but I can drive one! Carry me to my car and I'll be fine."

Then it became Don't drink and drive.
So if a 250 pound man washes his burger and fries down with a Miller Lite he needs to call a cab?
Does anyone actually believe that?

Even the name of the offence changed.
It started out a DWI Driving while intoxicated.
It is now DUI, Driving under the influence.
This allows them to charge you if they observe anything that catches their attention (driving under the speed limit, stopping before the white line or not taking off immediately from a green light) and a detectable amount of alcohol.

If you have ever been to traffic school you have probably heard it is a good idea to wait 2 seconds to enter the intersection after the light turns green.
That safe driving tip is enough to get you pulled over.
Combine that with a detectable amount of alcohol and that's enough for a DUI.


MADD and DUI enforcement, like many once noble causes, started out as a cause, became a business and is now a racket.

You can read more here about MADD's history https://drunkard.com/08_02_fighting_madd/

FWIW I am antisocial and drink at home.
I don't go to bars.
When I drink, I don't drive.
I have never been given a roadside sobriety check, have never had to do more than show my license, registration and proof of insurance at a DUI road block.

I say all this because the common retort when someone suggests the DUI industrial complex is broken is "obviously you are the reason we need these strict laws. How many times have you lost your license?"
 
Iunno wha ur talkin' about, drunk driving is, like, based and fun and stuff. Banning it is a breacha human rights. Ignore that guy I just hit, occifer, he was like that when I got here.
 
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