Debate whether Ireland should be unified - Because watching plastic paddies get mad is always funny

[Althalus]

In a nutshell: Northern Ireland is the north-eastern part of Ireland that is currently held by the U.K. It came into existence in the 1600s during the plantation of Ulster, where Brits and Scots were "planted" there by the British government in an attempt to civilize the Irish. The new arrivals made extremely creative improvements such as adding the word "London" to the village of Derry, making it Londonderry.

The Irish were, at the time, illiterates who spoke gibberish and lived in sod huts. But now they live in houses and speak something between gibberish and English, and their IQs were raised high enough for them to invent Guinness. These improvements (and Guinness) are a tremendous credit to their race.

There was also some nonsense over religion which was really just cover for ethnicity since the religion split and ethnic split had little overlap.

Eventually the Ulster settlers got bored with civilizing the Irish and went on to do even more awesome things like founding America (they wuz presidents n shit). The Irish got jealous and copied the Ulster-Scots by following them over (after America was built) and becoming presidents n shit.

There was also a little thing where the Irish ran out of potatoes and, in an incredible showcase of their intelligence, somehow starved on an island surrounded by fish.

But the Irish won in the end because all the Americans who don't know history think they're Irish because they see "Scots-Irish" (Ulster) ancestry and assume it means Irish. This lead to the extremely widespread "plastic paddy" phenomenon where Americans are raging Irish nationalists despite not being/barely being Irish, and actual Irish finding them annoying (but occasionally useful).

But back to Ulster, it became its own thing during WW1 when the Irish got tired of listening to the inbred royalty in London and declared independence (reasonable).

There was also some stuff involving explosions and gay LARPers on both sides that led to a peace deal but that's not really important. But today Ulster is split roughly 50-50 between Irish and Ulstermen. And it has a decades-long reputation for being economically depressed, making any reunification more challenging for Ireland.

Taking the above into account, Should Ulster remain in the U.K., join the Republic of Ireland, or secede and be independent?

Discuss.

 

[libRT]

Hi Ed, how you been?

 

[Gog & Magog]

I believe Ireland should be united.

United with the Atlantic sea floor.

 

[Neodanthril]

The real question is can England even hold on to it if pressed given that they are dropping territories like flies

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

It’s kind of moot to think anything will change. This goes beyond chudjak saying “nothing ever happens”. The true levers of power behind change, not the public faces and offices, simply will not physically permit any plan crafted by white hands to come to fruition.

You could have an election on this, and the result would be worth as much as the paper it is written on.

Close to 80% of Irish don’t want immigrants.

So what happens?

They get more immigrants.




To say we are not in control of our destinies isn’t “giving up” or “blackpilled” it is just stating a fact.

 

[Hamsteroid]

It’s kind of moot to think anything will change. This goes beyond chudjak saying “nothing ever happens”. The true levers of power behind change, not the public faces and offices, simply will not physically permit any plan crafted by white hands to come to fruition.

You could have an election on this, and the result would be worth as much as the paper it is written on.

Close to 80% of Irish don’t want immigrants.

So what happens?

They get more immigrants.

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To say we are not in control of our destinies isn’t “giving up” or “blackpilled” it is just stating a fact.

So you're saying they will be unified under the United Kaliphate just like the rest of Europe

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Ireland is rightful Norwegian clay.

 

[W'rkncacnter]

Isn't the North so poor that it's a net negative for the UK government, like they spend more on it than they actually get back in taxes?

If so, Ireland shouldn't be unified as the economic burden would make things even worse.

 

[Windows XP Home Edition]

In order for a united Ireland to happen, nationalists and unionists in Northern Ireland must be at ease around one another. Unfortunately, I can't see that happening anytime soon when the place is still heavily segregated and there's a sectarian incident happening every week in the north.

Irish people in the south are struggling to make ends meet and are more concerned with housing and reducing third world immigration that is making their quality of life worse. So reunification is understandably not a priority at the moment.

The "new Irish" in the south most likely care very little. I don't think the Nigerian anchor babies in counties like Cavan and Louth have any relations to those from bordering counties like Fermanagh and Armagh.

 

[Stonewall Jackson]

Isn't the North so poor that it's a net negative for the UK government, like they spend more on it than they actually get back in taxes?

If so, Ireland shouldn't be unified as the economic burden would make things even worse.

It's one of those things that's *technically* true, but only true because of the way the UK is set up.

NI 'spending' is everything that's spent in NI along with a population percentage of overall UK spending towards things like military, national transport projects (Read:English), paying off UK Government debt that isn't anything related to NI etc.

So the UK Government pisses money up the wall, assigns a percentage of that spending to NI, Scotland, Wales, etc. then complains that they are running at a net negative despite them only running at a negative because of UK Government spending that they don't even have a say over.

The NI Executive could underspend their budget by 50% and do everything in the most optimal and perfect way and it would still run at a net negative due to the percentage of UK Government spending that they are assigned, it's deliberately set up in a way so the UK Government can point to it and go 'Look, they aren't economically viable!'

 

[TruffleSpark]

I just want whatever is the worst for the UK.

 

[Mound Dweller]

People have been saying it's inevitable just 20 more years for 100 fucking years now; it'll never actually happen.
Best case and also most likely scenario is some sort of codominium/confederation deal once the demography finally tips, prothalics will never allow full union because muh NO NAY NEVER but cathostants are also not keen on it because being run from Dublin is even worse a propsect than benign neglect from LANDAN and even they accept it.
The only folk properly up for the while 32 counties shit are the commies, and everyone hates those guys, even the other other commies.
If you let the rest of the UK vote to kick norn iron out they probably would anyway, the only thing keeping it attached isn't the tradtier sectarianism it's pure inertia.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The Irish love nothing more than killing and hating each other. So much so that they were doing it for about 500 years before the English had to intervene and stop them. They haven't once thanked us for that favour we did them; and instead have spun a bullshit narrative about us abusing them when what we did was closer to riot police going in and breaking up spastics having a punch up.

So the Irish are more than welcome to have NI back, if they promise to shut the fuck up about it, and not murder each other constantly; but since they can't do either of those things, it's never going back.

 

[ZealotCrustacean101]

The troubles already answered this conundrum a century ago, we don't need to revisit this topic

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

There's a sort of humour in the fact that Ireland is one of the few countries where even their "nationalists" are in favour of mass third-world migration. They clearly aren't responsible enough to look after themselves as is, let alone looking after Northern Ireland as well.

 

[Gandhi's Left Hook]

There was also a little thing where the Irish ran out of potatoes and, in an incredible showcase of their intelligence, somehow starved on an island surrounded by fish.

Fun fact: the potatoes weren't deadly to eat they just tasted bad. It was a famine of ignorance. They had plenty of food.