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My attempt at a FAQ. Please give me all the negative ratings because it's probably not complete.
Thread Rules
Do not fucking help Russell. You are not his lawyer or being paid to help him. If it hasn't been explicitly told to him already by the court or Hardin, and it could help him DO NOT POST it.
Read the FAQ below and try not to piss off @Useful_Mistake
FAQ
Q: Why won't Null answer <whatever>?
A: He doesn't have to. Also he possibly cannot. As a party to the suit, there are things that would be inappropriate or illegal for him to tell us and post. So he won't. He will tell you what he can/wants, when he can/wants. Excepting unfounded speculation, almost all information is found in public court filings (with occasional information found via other verified and public means. I.e. potential witness being dead)
Q: A witness is dead?
A: Yes the only non family witness named at any point was Steve Taylor who as it turns out, is dead and has been for a while.
Q: Who are the other witnesses?
A: There are currently *no* potential witnesses - by agreement between Russell and Hardin after Russell found out witnesses get deposed and did not like that. The agreement makes moot any argument about witness tampering with his father and brother who were the living named witnesses. The Amended Complaint could change things.
Q: Why don't they / have they tried mediation?
A: Yes. It did not work. Russell wants nothing less than to have his thread removed and forever be unmentionable.
Q: Why won't Null settle?
A: Because Russ demands the above free speech breaking limits. It opens the floodgates to everyone suing us to be forgotten. This cannot be settled as a normal copyright case.
Q: Why isn't Google a party?
A: Hardin has tried. Google hosted the file. This entire case is proof we are in legal clown world. A DMCA to Google over gdrive would have removed the copyright problem.
Q: Why did Russell not DMCA Google?
A: Because he actually wants to litigate as an excuse to make the court somehow get what he really wants or bankrupt null to get it. That is the removal of his history from the farms. His history is available on PACER and a some is on courtlistener to anyone who really wants to look; see also Greer v. Freemantle Productions.
Q: Why is the judge disagreeing with himself?
A: He is not. There are multiple judges involved here. Currently a Magistrate Judge who gives recommendations and answers to the authority of the District (Article III) Judge are involved. The Magistrate is the same one in the original version of the case that the 10th insanely threw back on appeal. The District Judge is *not* the same one as before.
Q: What happened with discovery sanctions?
A: The Magistrate Judge granted a first sanction against Russell for discovery misconduct. There are pending motions by Hardin for further sanctions that are not addressed yet. For the first sanction Hardin submitted a fee breakdown amounting to $ 5,369.93 and approximately one month later amended to $5639.93
Russell objected to the District Judge and asked to be only sanctioned $500. The District Judge reduced the sanctions to $1000 citing first sanction and pro se/IFP status. Two unusual things happened here.
The District Judge did not follow local court rules and permit Hardin to respond to the objection before affirming it.
The District Judge also did not use the standard "Lodestar" calculation, and acknowledged this did not cover the defense costs. The lack of consideration for defense expenses violates case law although adjusting the fee is otherwise in the courts discretion for reasonability.
All amounts above do not subtract the fee owed Russell for costs incurred during the 10th appeal process, which are deducted from the end amount by mutual agreement.
Q: Why is there so much about emails/Hitler/stupidity in Russell's filings?
A: See the definition of lolcow. It's irrelevant but to him it's the plight. The claims are dead and cannot come back.
Q: Why did Florida transfer the case back?
A: It should not have happened. The Florida judge also finger wagged Utah about Utah's own rules. Steve Taylor was justification for why it had to be moved back as an "eager witness". Legal clown World.
Q: Does the Magistrate and District judge hate Hardin?
A: We don't actually know despite all of us having theories. The best takes on the thread are going to come from the actual legal Kiwis. Unnamed here but you can figure out who they are by reading the thread. None of them are relevant to the case itself.
Q: What's the current status?
A: As of March 19th 2025 we are waiting for the next court hearing in May of 2025. All other actions are paused unless Russell files something. By this we mean there's nothing for Hardin to do until the court or Russell acts. This is an "effectively" not a legal status.
Q: Paused? Why?
A: Russell has not complied with original discovery requests, but also has submitted an Amended Complaint that names 2 additional KF usernames. Discovery is thus paused until the outstanding docket/sanctions are handled as well as the Amended Complaint as it may restart discovery if allowed to stand.
Q: Why does Russell get so many chances by the court?
A: Greer uses in forma pauperis in combination with pro se and "I'm a helpless disabled idiot". It's super effective when stacked with "Legal Clown World"
Q: Shouldn't Russell know this stuff? Doesn't he have a paralegal degree?
A: Yes but bottom tier degree mill school and Russel. He should have known witnesses get deposed too. See: Clown World, Lolcow
Q: Will Null get money from Greer?
A: Maybe. There's one sanction with more potentially coming. Generally loser does not pay fees in American court though. Greer owns almost nothing - for details read the main thread about his entire life. Russell has also stated he has no money (IFP status) but also that he has money (in filings).
Someone has setup https://paynull.lol/ tracking the current sanctions amount. Again, outside of court filings we are unlikely to hear whether it's been paid or not.
Q: Null has a lawyer. Why doesn't Russell?
A: Russell chose to file as a pro se litigant because lawyers cost money, Russell is broke, and he has just enough paralegal knowledge to (kind of) properly file. This also means he files in forma pauperis: he doesn't have to pay filing fees like Null does. He managed to get a law firm called the Digital Justice Foundation to represent him pro bono (for free) when appealing the case. This is because they are industry copyright sharks and have an agenda on behalf of other larger entities. They have since professionally shown him the door.
Thread Rules
Do not fucking help Russell. You are not his lawyer or being paid to help him. If it hasn't been explicitly told to him already by the court or Hardin, and it could help him DO NOT POST it.
Read the FAQ below and try not to piss off @Useful_Mistake
FAQ
Q: Why won't Null answer <whatever>?
A: He doesn't have to. Also he possibly cannot. As a party to the suit, there are things that would be inappropriate or illegal for him to tell us and post. So he won't. He will tell you what he can/wants, when he can/wants. Excepting unfounded speculation, almost all information is found in public court filings (with occasional information found via other verified and public means. I.e. potential witness being dead)
Q: A witness is dead?
A: Yes the only non family witness named at any point was Steve Taylor who as it turns out, is dead and has been for a while.
Q: Who are the other witnesses?
A: There are currently *no* potential witnesses - by agreement between Russell and Hardin after Russell found out witnesses get deposed and did not like that. The agreement makes moot any argument about witness tampering with his father and brother who were the living named witnesses. The Amended Complaint could change things.
Q: Why don't they / have they tried mediation?
A: Yes. It did not work. Russell wants nothing less than to have his thread removed and forever be unmentionable.
Q: Why won't Null settle?
A: Because Russ demands the above free speech breaking limits. It opens the floodgates to everyone suing us to be forgotten. This cannot be settled as a normal copyright case.
Q: Why isn't Google a party?
A: Hardin has tried. Google hosted the file. This entire case is proof we are in legal clown world. A DMCA to Google over gdrive would have removed the copyright problem.
Q: Why did Russell not DMCA Google?
A: Because he actually wants to litigate as an excuse to make the court somehow get what he really wants or bankrupt null to get it. That is the removal of his history from the farms. His history is available on PACER and a some is on courtlistener to anyone who really wants to look; see also Greer v. Freemantle Productions.
Q: Why is the judge disagreeing with himself?
A: He is not. There are multiple judges involved here. Currently a Magistrate Judge who gives recommendations and answers to the authority of the District (Article III) Judge are involved. The Magistrate is the same one in the original version of the case that the 10th insanely threw back on appeal. The District Judge is *not* the same one as before.
Q: What happened with discovery sanctions?
A: The Magistrate Judge granted a first sanction against Russell for discovery misconduct. There are pending motions by Hardin for further sanctions that are not addressed yet. For the first sanction Hardin submitted a fee breakdown amounting to $ 5,369.93 and approximately one month later amended to $5639.93
Russell objected to the District Judge and asked to be only sanctioned $500. The District Judge reduced the sanctions to $1000 citing first sanction and pro se/IFP status. Two unusual things happened here.
The District Judge did not follow local court rules and permit Hardin to respond to the objection before affirming it.
The District Judge also did not use the standard "Lodestar" calculation, and acknowledged this did not cover the defense costs. The lack of consideration for defense expenses violates case law although adjusting the fee is otherwise in the courts discretion for reasonability.
All amounts above do not subtract the fee owed Russell for costs incurred during the 10th appeal process, which are deducted from the end amount by mutual agreement.
Q: Why is there so much about emails/Hitler/stupidity in Russell's filings?
A: See the definition of lolcow. It's irrelevant but to him it's the plight. The claims are dead and cannot come back.
Q: Why did Florida transfer the case back?
A: It should not have happened. The Florida judge also finger wagged Utah about Utah's own rules. Steve Taylor was justification for why it had to be moved back as an "eager witness". Legal clown World.
Q: Does the Magistrate and District judge hate Hardin?
A: We don't actually know despite all of us having theories. The best takes on the thread are going to come from the actual legal Kiwis. Unnamed here but you can figure out who they are by reading the thread. None of them are relevant to the case itself.
Q: What's the current status?
A: As of March 19th 2025 we are waiting for the next court hearing in May of 2025. All other actions are paused unless Russell files something. By this we mean there's nothing for Hardin to do until the court or Russell acts. This is an "effectively" not a legal status.
Q: Paused? Why?
A: Russell has not complied with original discovery requests, but also has submitted an Amended Complaint that names 2 additional KF usernames. Discovery is thus paused until the outstanding docket/sanctions are handled as well as the Amended Complaint as it may restart discovery if allowed to stand.
Q: Why does Russell get so many chances by the court?
A: Greer uses in forma pauperis in combination with pro se and "I'm a helpless disabled idiot". It's super effective when stacked with "Legal Clown World"
Q: Shouldn't Russell know this stuff? Doesn't he have a paralegal degree?
A: Yes but bottom tier degree mill school and Russel. He should have known witnesses get deposed too. See: Clown World, Lolcow
Q: Will Null get money from Greer?
A: Maybe. There's one sanction with more potentially coming. Generally loser does not pay fees in American court though. Greer owns almost nothing - for details read the main thread about his entire life. Russell has also stated he has no money (IFP status) but also that he has money (in filings).
Someone has setup https://paynull.lol/ tracking the current sanctions amount. Again, outside of court filings we are unlikely to hear whether it's been paid or not.
Q: Null has a lawyer. Why doesn't Russell?
A: Russell chose to file as a pro se litigant because lawyers cost money, Russell is broke, and he has just enough paralegal knowledge to (kind of) properly file. This also means he files in forma pauperis: he doesn't have to pay filing fees like Null does. He managed to get a law firm called the Digital Justice Foundation to represent him pro bono (for free) when appealing the case. This is because they are industry copyright sharks and have an agenda on behalf of other larger entities. They have since professionally shown him the door.
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