Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
Cool put me in the camp, actually radicalise me, go for it. I want to laugh and retards in private and be left alone to live a normal life. But sure radicalise me into a proponent for the total dissolution of the government, turn a forum full of autists laughing at autists, into radicalised people with a grudge against the state.
 
I don't know the exact metrics or anything, but after registration reopened, this place feels more like it's back to 100% and not 50, this article is either out of date or coping.

A Kiwi HoHoHolocaust. And they call us Nazis...

Real, many original accounts were shoah'd in the great password reset, including mine.

Temp email enjoyers are truly the most oppressed group.
 
>is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive.
Lmao is this retard serious? The life of today's activist is completely consumed by disrupting society, burning down neighborhoods and grooming.
Meanwhile, as an evil toxified internet troll, I shitpost until I'm bored then get on with my day.
activists don't actually give a shit, and they likely never did. the only ones that still riot and burn shit are just pyromaniacs/sociopaths/whatever using the guise of muh niggos to keep doing fucked up shit
 
>is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive.
Lmao is this retard serious? The life of today's activist is completely consumed by disrupting society, burning down neighborhoods and grooming.
Meanwhile, as an evil toxified internet troll, I shitpost until I'm bored then get on with my day.
Exactly, it’s pure projection. The exact same behavior they’re criticizing is used all over the Internet on more mainstream platforms.

It’s so shameful that this kind of shit comes from an institution like Cambridge, but I’m to the point now where it’s obvious the old great universities are totally fucked over and compromised.

I used to be more stressed when I thought there was some reasoning or debating that could be done with this kind of shit. But then you start to realize that you don’t have to give a shit about anything they say because they’re lying clowns.

I actually find that liberating and almost relaxing. They can’t just gaslight people who know reality into believe otherwise. So I hope they keep undermining trust and exposing their fascistic need for control, while simulatneously showing their stupidity.

The days poeple stop caring or taking them seriously is the day shit starts to change.
 
Top 10 true & honest fun facts about British "people":

1. They have no souls
2. Fucked up teeth
3. Retarded
4. Much higher than average pedophile to general population ratio
5. Gay
6. They talk like they're gargling balls
7. They used to believe that a man in a dress was the height of comedy and now they believe a man in a dress is the height of morality
8. Most common birth name is Mohammed
9. Their tea is of low quality
10. Their biggest cultural export is literally called "BBC"
 
I wonder if it’s changed their minds on any issue at all? If the abyss has stared back? I’d be interested to see which threads or boards they concentrated on.
I refuse to believe that spending enough time in the stinkditch, voluntarily or involuntarily, won't turn even the most hardline lgbtqiapp+ ally into a transphobe.

It's would be like holding your arm above a fireplace without getting burned. It doesn't matter how resistant you are, hold it long enough and eventually it will catch fire.
 
I mean you are right that this is just a bunch of intelligentsia being retarded (Lenin was right about them NGL), but that doesn't mean that this might not quickly become more malicious. It gets published, starts circulation around retarded social media circles, and then breaks into the mainstream by a couple more articles like this. Next thing you know, some politicians are going to be pushing for this.

"Mainstream Academia" is always ahead of the political positions being pushed openly by TPTB. Give it time, and it will likely shoot far and away out of control.
Here's another mild example. Some researchers put together a large collection of conspiracy theory-themed texts, kind of like a raw database for meta-analysis. They call it "Language of Conspiracy", abbreviated to LOCO ("Loco" means "crazy" in Spanish).

LOCO is an 88-million-token corpus composed of topic-matched conspiracy (N = 23,937) and mainstream (N = 72,806) documents harvested from 150 websites.
lol @ 88 million.

Granted it's from a minor publication with barely any citations (published at the end of 2021, currently at 7 cites on Google Scholar), but naming it like that kind of betrays the pretense of objectivity. In a further publication from the same authors they also acknowledge the correlation of legit mental illness with holding tinfoil-hat opinions, which makes the acronym downright demeaning. It's like a research group compiled all the content from the tranny grooming Discords as basis for an earnest investigation for the correlation of mentally ill/distraught teenagers and transitioning, and called the database "Younglings Warrant New oBservations At Whattheyaccess - YWNBAW".
 
The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties
Ah yes the totally real collaboration between the Internet Archive project and Kiwifarms. This is the type of guilt by association mindset these retards have, I betcha they think that a local library having copies of Mein Kampf is actually a branch of the Nazi Party. But than again as chud says...
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