Opinion Deplatforming hate forums doesn't work, British boffins warn - Industry intervention alone can't deal with harassment

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Depriving online hate groups of network services - otherwise known as deplatforming - doesn't work very well, according to boffins based in the United Kingdom.

In a recently released preprint paper, Anh Vu, Alice Hutchings, and Ross Anderson, from the University of Cambridge and the University of Edinburgh, examine efforts to disrupt harassment forum Kiwi Farms and find that community and industry interventions have been largely ineffective.

Their study, undertaken as lawmakers around the world are considering policies that aspire to moderate unlawful or undesirable online behavior, reveals that deplatforming has only a modest impact and those running harmful sites remain free to carry on harassing people through other services.

"Deplatforming users may reduce activity and toxicity levels of relevant actors on Twitter and Reddit, limit the spread of conspiratorial disinformation on Facebook, and minimize disinformation and extreme speech on YouTube," they write in their paper. "But deplatforming has often made hate groups and individuals even more extreme, toxic and radicalized."

As examples, they cite how Reddit's ban of r/incels in November 2017 led to the creation of two incel domains, which then grew rapidly. They also point to how users banned from Twitter and Reddit "exhibit higher levels of toxicity when migrating to Gab," among other similar situations.

The researchers focus on the deplatforming of Kiwi Farms, an online forum where users participate in efforts to harass prominent online figures. One such person was a Canadian transgender streamer known as @Keffals on Twitter and Twitch.

In early August last year, a Kiwi Farms forum member allegedly sent a malicious warning to police in London, Ontario, claiming that @Keffals had committed murder and was planning further violence, which resulted in her being "swatted - a form of attack that has proved lethal in some cases.

Following further doxxing, threats, and harassment, @Keffals organized a successful campaign to pressure Cloudflare to stop providing Kiwi Farms with reverse proxy security protection, which helped the forum defend against denial-of-service attacks.

The research paper outlines the various interventions taken by internet companies against Kiwi Farms. After Cloudflare dropped Kiwi Farms on September 3 last year, DDoS-Guard did so two days later. The following day, the Internet Archive and hCaptcha severed ties.

On September 10, the kiwifarms.is domain stopped working. Five days later, security firm DiamWall suspended service for those operating the site.

On September 18, all the domains used by the forum became inaccessible, possibly related to an alleged data breach. But then, as the researchers observe, the Kiwi Farms dark web forum was back by September 29. There were further intermittent outages on October 9 and October 22, but since then Kiwi Farms has been active, apart from brief service interruptions.

"The disruption was more effective than previous DDoS attacks on the forum, as observed from our datasets. Yet the impact, although considerable, was short-lived." the researchers state.

"While part of the activity was shifted to Telegram, half of the core members returned quickly after the forum recovered. And while most casual users were shaken off, others turned up to replace them. Cutting forum activity and users by half might be a success if the goal of the campaign is just to hurt the forum, but if the objective was to 'drop the forum,' it has failed."

Hate is difficult to shift

One reason for the durability of such sites, the authors suggest, is that activists get bored and move on, while trolls are motivated to endure and survive. They argue that deplatforming doesn't look like a long-term solution because, while casual harassment forum participants may scatter, core members become more determined and can recruit replacements through the publicity arising from censorship.

Vu, Hutchings, and Anderson argue that deplatforming by itself is insufficient and needs to be done in the context of a legal regime that can enforce compliance. Unfortunately, they note, this framework doesn't currently exist.

"We believe the harms and threats associated with online hate communities may justify action despite the right to free speech," the authors conclude. "But within the framework of the EU and the Council of Europe which is based on the European Convention on Human Rights, such action will have to be justified as proportionate, necessary and in accordance with the law."

They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.

"There are multiple research programs and field experiments on effective ways to detox young men from misogynistic attitudes, whether in youth clubs and other small groups, at the scale of schools, or even by gamifying the identification of propaganda that promotes hate," they argue. "But most countries still lack a unifying strategy for violence reduction." ®
 
Thanks for explaining.

It's all misogyny:

One look at his work shows it's complete nonsense. Many mass killers had also been (shock!) violent to others in the past, including women. This somehow means they hate women, and so misogyny is at the root of their actions. Airtight logic. Islamists have negative views about women, so that also motivates their terrorism, not their strong religious beliefs. Now we've found a common factor! What a joke.

From the linked blog:

I must have missed the mass killings at the Capitol riots. He also throws in Charlottesville, again clearly not a mass killing. I suppose when you run out of real examples of far-right extremism mass killings, you have to start making stuff up.

This is the state of scholarship today.
Nevermind, even the professors are faggots. Had a small hunch about it too.

The absolute state of college education in Clown World, ladies and gentlemen.

EtA: Surprise surprise, they both have Twitter accounts as well.
Alice Hutchings - https://twitter.com/message4bob?lang=en (Arch.)
Ross J. Anderson - https://twitter.com/rossjanderson (Arch.)
 
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I think we all need to step back and realize this isn’t a government gameplan or anything, it’s a thesis from three uninformed over-educated hacks at best, that like that one paper on impregnating brain-dead women, is more of a shock value “We can do this, but know no one will.”

Some of you are getting MATI over the Academia equivalent of Attention Whoring.
 
I think we all need to step back and realize this isn’t a government gameplan or anything, it’s a thesis from three uninformed over-educated hacks at best, that like that one paper on impregnating brain-dead women, is more of a shock value “We can do this, but know no one will.”

Some of you are getting MATI over the Academia equivalent of Attention Whoring.
so what you're saying is we need TAD to improve the signal to noise ratio
 
People who hate Nazis use the same tactics Nazis used. Excuse me while I boil some tea and drink it with my mother. Also, I need to clean the house and get dinner ready while I fix my computer and pet my cat. But seriously, they never realize that we are ordinary people laughing at extraordinary bullshit.
 
I mean, Kiwi Camp sounds fun enough, but I'd imagine there'd be some more people swept in. Imagine: in the same room as you, dear Average Kiwi User, is a a 56 year old dude who yelled at an LGBT march, a 30 year old unemployed Pole who complained about jobs and Ukrainians, a 16 year old LoL player convicted for calling someone a nigger, some TERF lesbo, and a random tranny who got randomly swept up (probably guilt by association) just to make matters more fun.

Count me the fuck in.
yeah, i just view those people, minus the tranny, as potential recruits. put them in a room full of kiwis and you get more kiwis.
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I mean, Kiwi Camp sounds fun enough, but I'd imagine there'd be some more people swept in. Imagine: in the same room as you, dear Average Kiwi User, is a a 56 year old dude who yelled at an LGBT march, a 30 year old unemployed Pole who complained about jobs and Ukrainians, a 16 year old LoL player convicted for calling someone a nigger, some TERF lesbo, and a random tranny who got randomly swept up (probably guilt by association) just to make matters more fun.

We can go fishing at the lake, milk cows, make funny pictures out of noodles and paste, grow a garden. its just perfect and i cant wait.
 
They also contend that police work needs to be paired with social work, specifically education and psycho-social support, to deprogram hate among participants in such forums.
When did it become hate to laugh at a xanax-addicted dunce hauling around a bifurcated gunt while riding his battered horse wife?
Or an obese woman dealing with her mid-life by burning said life down and buying a (sexless) brown husband?
Or an actual hominid cave-troll that gets into a genuine autism loop about KFC double-down sammidges?
Or your queen troon hoovering schneef like she's speedrunning to AmHole-Valhalla?

I just wanna admire and laugh at weirdos. Way better kahntent than TV. Fuck off telling me I need to deprogram.
 
People who hate Nazis use the same tactics Nazis used. Excuse me while I boil some tea and drink it with my mother. Also, I need to clean the house and get dinner ready while I fix my computer and pet my cat. But seriously, they never realize that we are ordinary people laughing at extraordinary bullshit.
Rapists, pedophiles and animal abusers don't need to be rounded up and "re-educated" in camps, but people who laugh at men in wigs on the Internet do.
 
where's the love?
It's nothing personal it's just that this 'deradicalisation camp' shit is like when the shop supervisor gives you a quota and then expects you to break a bunch of safety regulations to meet it, so they can pretend like you went rogue and blame you if anything goes wrong.

On a matter of principle I simply will not oversee any death camps until upper management explicitly puts it in writing that yes, it's actually a death camp and gassing people to death is an official part of my job that they've asked me to do.
 
It's nothing personal it's just that this 'deradicalisation camp' shit is like when the shop supervisor gives you a quota and then expects you to break a bunch of safety regulations to meet it, so they can pretend like you went rogue and blame you if anything goes wrong.

On a matter of principle I simply will not oversee any death camps until upper management explicitly puts it in writing that yes, it's actually a death camp and gassing people to death is an official part of my job that they've asked me to do.
It's good to know someone on this site has morals, Dyn.
 
It's good to know someone on this site has morals, Dyn.
It doesn't matter whether you're galvanising pipe fittings or turning an entire demographic into nitrogen-rich garden mulch, the corporate suits will always try to cut corners and make sure the working man gets the blame for it, and I for one won't let them keep getting away with it.
 
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