Science Depression is probably not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain – new study


For three decades, people have been deluged with information suggesting that depression is caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain – namely an imbalance of a brain chemical called serotonin. However, our latest research review shows that the evidence does not support it.

Although first proposed in the 1960s, the serotonin theory of depression started to be widely promoted by the pharmaceutical industry in the 1990s in association with its efforts to market a new range of antidepressants, known as selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs. The idea was also endorsed by official institutions such as the American Psychiatric Association, which still tells the public that “differences in certain chemicals in the brain may contribute to symptoms of depression”.

Countless doctors have repeated the message all over the world, in their private surgeries and in the media. People accepted what they were told. And many started taking antidepressants because they believed they had something wrong with their brain that required an antidepressant to put right. In the period of this marketing push, antidepressant use climbed dramatically, and they are now prescribed to one in six of the adult population in England, for example.

For a long time, certain academics, including some leading psychiatrists, have suggested that there is no satisfactory evidence to support the idea that depression is a result of abnormally low or inactive serotonin. Others continue to endorse the theory. Until now, however, there has been no comprehensive review of the research on serotonin and depression that could enable firm conclusions either way.

At first sight, the fact that SSRI-type antidepressants act on the serotonin system appears to support the serotonin theory of depression. SSRIs temporarily increase the availability of serotonin in the brain, but this does not necessarily imply that depression is caused by the opposite of this effect.

There are other explanations for antidepressants’ effects. In fact, drug trials show that antidepressants are barely distinguishable from a placebo (dummy pill) when it comes to treating depression. Also, antidepressants appear to have a generalised emotion-numbing effect which may influence people’s moods, although we do not know how this effect is produced or much about it.

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Around one in six people in England are prescribed antidepressants. fizkes/Shutterstock
First comprehensive review
There has been extensive research on the serotonin system since the 1990s, but it has not been collected systematically before. We conducted an “umbrella” review that involved systematically identifying and collating existing overviews of the evidence from each of the main areas of research into serotonin and depression. Although there have been systematic reviews of individual areas in the past, none have combined the evidence from all the different areas taking this approach.

One area of research we included was research comparing levels of serotonin and its breakdown products in the blood or brain fluid. Overall, this research did not show a difference between people with depression and those without depression.

Another area of research has focused on serotonin receptors, which are proteins on the ends of the nerves that serotonin links up with and which can transmit or inhibit serotonin’s effects. Research on the most commonly investigated serotonin receptor suggested either no difference between people with depression and people without depression, or that serotonin activity was actually increased in people with depression – the opposite of the serotonin theory’s prediction.

Research on the serotonin “transporter”, that is the protein which helps to terminate the effect of serotonin (this is the protein that SSRIs act on), also suggested that, if anything, there was increased serotonin activity in people with depression. However, these findings may be explained by the fact that many participants in these studies had used or were currently using antidepressants.

We also looked at research that explored whether depression can be induced in volunteers by artificially lowering levels of serotonin. Two systematic reviews from 2006 and 2007 and a sample of the ten most recent studies (at the time the current research was conducted) found that lowering serotonin did not produce depression in hundreds of healthy volunteers. One of the reviews showed very weak evidence of an effect in a small subgroup of people with a family history of depression, but this only involved 75 participants.

Very large studies involving tens of thousands of patients looked at gene variation, including the gene that has the instructions for making the serotonin transporter. They found no difference in the frequency of varieties of this gene between people with depression and healthy controls.

Although a famous early study found a relationship between the serotonin transporter gene and stressful life events, larger, more comprehensive studies suggest no such relationship exists. Stressful life events in themselves, however, exerted a strong effect on people’s subsequent risk of developing depression.

Some of the studies in our overview that included people who were taking or had previously taken antidepressants showed evidence that antidepressants may actually lower the concentration or activity of serotonin.

Not supported by the evidence
The serotonin theory of depression has been one of the most influential and extensively researched biological theories of the origins of depression. Our study shows that this view is not supported by scientific evidence. It also calls into question the basis for the use of antidepressants.

Most antidepressants now in use are presumed to act via their effects on serotonin. Some also affect the brain chemical noradrenaline. But experts agree that the evidence for the involvement of noradrenaline in depression is weaker than that for serotonin.

There is no other accepted pharmacological mechanism for how antidepressants might affect depression. If antidepressants exert their effects as placebos, or by numbing emotions, then it is not clear that they do more good than harm.

Although viewing depression as a biological disorder may seem like it would reduce stigma, in fact, research has shown the opposite, and also that people who believe their own depression is due to a chemical imbalance are more pessimistic about their chances of recovery.

It is important that people know that the idea that depression results from a “chemical imbalance” is hypothetical. And we do not understand what temporarily elevating serotonin or other biochemical changes produced by antidepressants do to the brain. We conclude that it is impossible to say that taking SSRI antidepressants is worthwhile, or even completely safe.

If you’re taking antidepressants, it’s very important you don’t stop doing so without speaking to your doctor first. But people need all this information to make informed decisions about whether or not to take these drugs.
 
Depression can be completely natural. Bears enter a depressive state every year called hibernation. Can't change the weather. Might as well go to sleep.

Maybe you have some deficiency, sure. But if you have the awareness to know that current conditions are not right for you to live the life you are compelled to live, then you will find depression. If you can find something to do that gets you closer to that life you want to live and that person you want to be, then that's going to help stave off that depression.

A pill might numb you or trick you, but it won't fix your trajectory or open your mind to other possibilities.
 
It's probably minor brain damage. The theory of chemical imbalances has to hold some validity just because of countless studies implicating hormonal effects on mood.

Jordan Peterson the clinical psychologist said that there was research to suggest that Depression isn't linked to serotonin. But actually to chronic pain.

I can personally attest to that, I am already on antidepressants. I broke my wrist and got opioid painkillers over the counter. Depression actually went away. Well, until the ban on opioids. Now I'm back to being depressed.

Y’all are probably right. I get terribly depressed during my period and the only thing that’s ever helped my depression was migraine medication. I started taking that and suddenly acted like a normal human being.
 
There has never been any hard evidence of the chemical imbalance theory. On top of that the more recent non-pharma funded studies have called the efficacy of SSRIs and other drugs used to treat mental illness into question. They seem to work very poorly, on a small subsection of the populace if they work at all. In some cases they lead to worse outcomes like suicide and mass shooters. Add to that most cultures don't have the rates of mental illness that we do and what we consider lifelong afflictions like schizophrenia are temporary everywhere else. It starts to seem like psychology doesn't actually understand human psychology very well and that what we believe to be a biological illness is one of socially and individually created issues.
It's almost as if psychology has been a pseudo science all along!
Freud would be so proud.
 
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I bet if they ran some tests on these people looking for vitamin deficiencies some of them would come back as vitamin D deficient. About 45% of the US population is vitamin D deficient these days. That's nearly half the population. A lot of people hardly leave their houses anymore and no it didn't start with the China virus. You need an hour of direct sunlight a day to keep your vitamin D levels up. You can get some from the foods you eat especially dairy. But direct sunlight is where it mostly comes from. With people working indoors more often these days it doesn't help either. Sitting under lights in an office or in a warehouse isn't going to help you keep you vitamin D levels up.

I am not saying this would fix all the cases. But I bet some of them have a deficiency in vitamin D.
I think people staying indoors all the time also affects their vision because they're never looking at anything more than 25 feet away from them and spending a lot of time looking at screens/books that are far closer. Even going outside in certain cities isn't much help because you can't see more than a few hundred feet due to all the buildings. Whenever I'm driving on a long straight road my eyes feel relaxed as they can actually focus on infinity.
 
Depression can be completely natural. Bears enter a depressive state every year called hibernation. Can't change the weather. Might as well go to sleep.

Maybe you have some deficiency, sure. But if you have the awareness to know that current conditions are not right for you to live the life you are compelled to live, then you will find depression. If you can find something to do that gets you closer to that life you want to live and that person you want to be, then that's going to help stave off that depression.

A pill might numb you or trick you, but it won't fix your trajectory or open your mind to other possibilities.
I thought the whole point of the pills was to try to prevent people from killing themselves, or allow them to become functional enough that they no longer need antidepressants?
 
I thought the whole point of the pills was to try to prevent people from killing themselves, or allow them to become functional enough that they no longer need antidepressants?
These days, I usually see it used as a stopgap while people do Cognitive Behavioral Therapy or something to develop better habits. That way, when the person's brain chemistry adjusts to the pills, hopefully they've picked up some healthy behaviors that will keep the doldrums at bay.

Anti-depressants are terrible for suicidal people, since people generally go through with their suicide plans when they're on an emotional upswing.
 
I think people staying indoors all the time also affects their vision because they're never looking at anything more than 25 feet away from them and spending a lot of time looking at screens/books that are far closer. Even going outside in certain cities isn't much help because you can't see more than a few hundred feet due to all the buildings. Whenever I'm driving on a long straight road my eyes feel relaxed as they can actually focus on infinity.
Have you ever played Fallout 2? If you had, you probably saw the intro where the little cartoon vault dweller takes his protective goggles off, and his eyes get fried by the sun. That shit is real. Of course, your eyes won't get burned out of their sockets, but the sunlight is pretty harsh on the eyes of basement dwellers and shit like that. You have to take some time to get used to it.

I know spending your time looking at things really close like books is bad for your eyes. You have to get up and take a break from the monitor or TV. Put the phone or device down for a while. I know a large portion of the Chinese military has eyesight problems because they spent their time reading textbooks in school and college.
 
Honestly psychology has never moved out of its bloodletting and leeches phase. Nobody knows anything, it's all based on guesswork and their experiments are plagued by failure to reproduce but still treated as sound science regardless.
Hell, how are you supposed to study something you can't prove even exists outside of your own head?
 
Crazy idea but I do wonder how much better it would be if instead of taking daily SSRI we have a weekly (extreme) or monthly MDMA support session followed by a counselor (life coach or whatever) session to help get your life on track to where you want it.
They're currently experimenting with that as a treatment along with other drugs such as psilocybin (mushrooms) and ketamine, which have shown some promising results.
Funny how a lot of the modern mental issues only showed up after a strong push for outlawing the use of weed.

Biggest opponents for the legalizing and destigmatizing the use of cannabis
1. Big Pharma
2. District Attorney Unions
3. Cop Unions
4 Private prisons
5 correction officer unions.
Don't forget about the alcohol and tobacco industries as well.
 
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...and what we consider lifelong afflictions like schizophrenia are temporary everywhere else...

I would love to see valid research that supports that position. Otherwise, that is completely bullshit.

If not a chemical imbalance, then I would be interested in knowing what goes on during postpartum depression, especially in women who were not depressed prior to giving birth.

That we know now is a result of a neurosteroid imbalance.

I personally feel like "the microbiome" has reached a sort of scientific fad status. It's kinda like how the study of epigenetics snowballed like 15 years ago and for the next 10 years or so researchers were linking everything to the epigenome because it was what all the cool kids were researching at the time. Real progress was made and it remains an interesting field of study with a lot of potential. But the bull rush on the topic has since died down as we learned more about how limited the scope some epigenetic changes are and how others are so effectively immutable as to rival conventional genetics in what would need to be done to alter them.

The microbiome, I feel, is on the tail end of its bull rush. We know it has profound effects on a lot of things, but there is the legitimate question as far as which is the cause of the other. The link between autism and a non-diverse microbiome is more likely because autists tend to reject diverse diets than it is that fucked up microbiomes causing autism, for example. If such a correlation were found with depression (which of course there's a study demonstrating this correlation) is well established, I'd just as soon assume it's because the anhedonia associated with depression draws the afflicted individuals to bland, monotonous diets. The prospect of positive feedback playing a role is certainly not out of the question though. There's plenty of things depressed people tend to do which only heightens their depression and a shitty diet is very likely one of them.

I couldn't agree more strongly.
 
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Most drugs except meth level ones should be legal for 18+ a la Silk Road but they should be illegal to encourage or advertise
The people will do their own research or not
I think a lot more people are waking up to the fact that SSRIs are counterproductive and all around terrible
 
Have you ever played Fallout 2? If you had, you probably saw the intro where the little cartoon vault dweller takes his protective goggles off, and his eyes get fried by the sun. That shit is real. Of course, your eyes won't get burned out of their sockets, but the sunlight is pretty harsh on the eyes of basement dwellers and shit like that. You have to take some time to get used to it.

I know spending your time looking at things really close like books is bad for your eyes. You have to get up and take a break from the monitor or TV. Put the phone or device down for a while. I know a large portion of the Chinese military has eyesight problems because they spent their time reading textbooks in school and college.
Myopia is a genetic trait higher among East Asians and is correlated with intelligence. It also has to do with the shape of their eyes; your eye shape will affect how well your retina and other parts of your eye interprets information.
 
Negative life experiences are the cause of depression.

Normally, you annoy me but a broken clock is a broken clock and I'll give the devil his due.

I legit 100% agree most depressed people I know have legit been through the fuckin ringer and it's just kinda broke them, and I've seen people come out of depression just by getting a good firm foothold on life. Thing is somebody being willing to help you actually help yourself, and that's rare to find these days.

Shrinks / Counselors aren't there to help you, they want you coming back cause you are their paycheck so most the tools they give you are half-hearted at best. Goddamn... I'm finding myself agreeing with fuckin' Scientology.... *sigh*

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When it all comes down to it, 'gigachad that gets laid 5 times a day with babes is less depressed than loner'.

Big shock that SSRIs and so on can't make up for the chad lifestyle.
 
This is really interesting.
I think the real problem is that 'depression' is a catch-all term for so many different issues. I'm sure some people have fucked up brains and really benefit from the meds, but for many others depression has other causes, and meds shouldn't be the only or even the first treatment option.

  • Check the diet: Maybe you're nutrient-deprived
  • Check the supplements: Maybe even with enough shit in your diet, you can't actually make enough of something you need from dietary sources alone
Word. I was depressed last year, after a very stressful period. Never been depressed before, and it got extremely bad. Then one day I took some magnesium because my muscles ached terribly and I was desperately trying anything that might help, and there was an instant improvement. Took magnesium for two months and was completely back to normal. I can't imagine how many people are 'depressed' because of a high-stress life + magnesium deficiency. And that's just one possible cause.
 
Thomas Harris was right:
“Simplistic is the word you want. In fact, most psychology is puerile, Officer Starling, and that practiced in Behavioral Science is on a level with phrenology. Psychology doesn’t get very good material to start with. Go to any college psychology department and look at the students and faculty: ham radio enthusiasts and other personality-deficient buffs. Hardly the best brains on campus. Organized and disorganized–a real bottom feeder thought of that.”

I really do not understand why anyone would trust the science that brought us lobotomies, electroshock therapy, The Satanic Panic, and Troons.
Satantic Panic was founded on reality and electroshock therapy can help with some things. That said I agree with your point.
 
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