Descent's Elementary School Chastity Textbook.

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I remember this book from middle school that was meant for the teenage girls (I went to a Christian school too). I can't stop imagining Ghetsis from pokemon reading it to N and his sisters. No, really... It is basically about how dating is bad and you should be mindlessly obedient to God (and by extent your father) and how it's good to be sheltered and you should never leave to the outside world or go to college or anything like that. I remember hearing similar messages about how awful the outside world is which were trying to make me more terrified of college than I already was at the time.

I did some searching and found a reading of it for your listening pleasure:


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"Why didn't you just stay in the goddamn castle?"
 
Can I contribute?

I remember this book from middle school that was meant for the teenage girls (I went to a Christian school too). I can't stop imagining Ghetsis from pokemon reading it to N and his sisters. No, really... It is basically about how dating is bad and you should be mindlessly obedient to God (and by extent your father) and how it's good to be sheltered and you should never leave to the outside world or go to college or anything like that. I remember hearing similar messages about how awful the outside world is which were trying to make me more terrified of college than I already was at the time.

I did some searching and found a reading of it for your listening pleasure:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hiGEw3Uff_w

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"Why didn't you just stay in the goddamn castle?"

This is the most awful thing I have ever heard. :(
 
Here is yet another Christian book about abstinence. I remember being forced to read this to first graders:

I love how your virgin lips/general virginity are portrayed as glowy spheres.

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"Good thing nowadays you can buy glowy spheres off amazon if your ex/partner doesn't give it back"

What if you are 30+ nobody wants your kiss or don't give it up? and don't want you kiss, does something special happen? Does it gain magical properties?

Edit: Also, I'll be posting the boy's book for comparison eventually and DAMN, he gets to go on a friggin quest and it's about overall virtue, not just virginity. It's still laughable though. Cue the D&D humor.
 
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So as the son of a pastor, I know most of these folks tend to not go away once they know they got a market for this stuff (Fun fact: Church is nothing but the business of making people feel better about themselves through the least amount possible.). You're gonna love this.

The author of your book, Mrs. Coleen Kelly Mast which apparently as a Masters of Science degree as well as Doctor of Human Letters degree (that being an honorary title meaning you've created a lot of stuff) is apparently a big mover and shaker with the Catholics. According to her website, http://www.sexrespect.com, "She assisted with the writing of the 1990 USCC Bishops document on Human Sexuality Education, and in 1996, Mast was one of four US family life experts invited to the Vatican by the Pontifical Council for the Family to present at an in-depth study of “Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality” document when it was released. In 2011 she was appointed by the US Council of Catholic Bishops to serve a four year term on its National Review Board."

She apparently also has her own call-in TV show on the EWTN (Catholic Broadcasting) channel, every Saturday morning, 9-11 called "Mast Appeal" cuz her last name is "Mast" and... yeah. So yeah, fuck Saturday morning cartoons, DVR this shit.

Oh, but what about her book? Well, turns out she's still selling the thing, along with other various workbooks about abstinence and marriage counseling.

I'm going to assume she's polished it up a bit- but boy, you gotta love some of these chapter titles from the latest iteration of "Love and Life":

Chapter 5: The Real Source and the Real Force (fo' shizzle)
Chapter 6: Male and Female He Created Them (Attention Chris...)
Chapter 11: Put Yourself in the Driver's Seat--with Self-Mastery! (I can't of any other way this doesn't sound implicity dirty)
Chapter 14: Modesty: A Good "Put-On" (So... modesty is a hoax...?)
Chapter 16: Nature Never Forgives (Nature is a harsh bitch)
Chapter 17: Close Encounters of the Best Kind (...oh you are so punny.)
Chapter 18: The Saints Come Marching In (3rd Street Represent!)
Chapter 22: God is Pro-Life and Pro-Love (Which is why He was totally cool with King Herod killing all those infants to try and find teh babeh Jesus.)
Chapter 24: Take the Pledge for Purity (Attention again, Chris.)

So yeah... better living through telling children what to do with their genitals.
 
This was a great and horrifying read. Makes me thankful that I didn't get shame and indoctrination from my inclusive sex-ed classes in school.
I think my favorite part was never needing to masturbate. Boyfriend told me he did that for something like a week and a half in college and had a nocturnal emission that woke him up and made him think he wet the bed.

And a review of Stay in the Castle:

An inspirational true story of one teenager’s struggle to wait for the one God had created for her. One Sunday School teacher from Iowa provided this testimony, “I read your booklet Stay in the Castle to my high school Sunday School class. By the next Sunday, three of our young people who were involved in relationships that were dragging them away from the Lord had broken off those relationships. ‘Thank you’ does not seem enough…”

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I'm back again! I did promise I would present you The Squire and the Scroll, aka, the boy's version of The Princess and the Kiss for comparison purposes and well... as I looked up more Christian books, I noticed something: All the books aimed at boys are about warriors and knights and all the girls are princesses of God and stuff (and honestly, if every female is a princess, it wouldn't be so special, eh?). As a six year old myself, I love princesses and warriors equally and all I can ask is:

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No really? Why can't I be a warrior AND a princess? Like her!
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or what about another example of a princess going on an adventure like her?
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or even a princess who works in a traditionally male-dominant STEM job like HER!

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Do I mention they all go on adventures too?
And let's not forget the men, too, what about guys who aren't afraid to express their emotions and don't fit the traditional masculinity.

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Like Edward (and yes, Edward can kick ass if you know how to use him correctly) and I also like him in that he is one of those men that freely expresses emotions and has a lot of "feminine traits" and still turns out to do a pretty good job as king in The After Years!)
And what about this one?
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What about Loras? he's fairly self-explanitory and how being gay has nothing to do with how well you can fulfill masculine occupations like being a knight. He's another good one.

without further adieu though...

Soooo a dragon attacks and steals the kingdoms national treasure, but nobody can seen to return it and the King laments not having enough strong men.

I know that a huge issue the churches bring up is the lack of men taking up leadership roles, ones reserved for men, and how difficult is to keep men in the faith and at the beginning of the book, it was sort of giving off those vibes about how all the young men were sent out and none returned. Sooooo the squire and some jaded knight embark on an epic journey and the squire has a scroll (the Word of God) that carries around everywhere and consults it like it's a Gamefaqs walkthrough for his quest.

Here are my favorite parts:

  • Now, when they get the wool, first thing I thought was "Shouldn't you find that traveler instead of taking his wool and running?" Nope, apparently it's okay to the steal. What they use the wool for is laughable...
  • There are forest creatures trying to tempt them so they plug their ears with it so they don't hear those "unpure words" so "courage could not be stolen" because you'll immediately be dragged to oblivion of you dare listen to metal or rap whatever the kids these days are listening to even once obviously and at least the wool isn't in their eyes, oh no, that would be bad, just their ears.
  • The knight taking some jewels from a wall with an obvious evil-looking face, I don't even need to detect evil or a scroll or anything to know not to take those! Usually evil faces carved out in the rock where the gems are typically means something bad is going to happen if you loot them.
  • "Then the squire notice the scroll on his belt and grasped it tightly" (I don't know why that sounds so odd...)
  • ...and yet he drinks from some random man's flask he left on the ground too because it's pure water and he is thirsty, again, no permission from whoever owned that flask because I'm sure God isn't going to help you if there is any sort of germs on the rim that have any sort of plague or anything with sunshine alone.
  • Also, you have to BREATHE only that is pure too! Does it mean pure in the sense of clean non-poisonous air? or in the way that they were using it previously? I can no longer tell at this point, but if it was the non-literal way they were using it and you could only breath the air of righteous people... oh... my... gosh...
  • Interesting is that,when he met the dragon is if the squire memorized the scroll so well, couldn't he just have made copies and hand him the scroll? Oh wait... the scroll is actually his sword and he slayed the dragon that way and the spell was broken and all of the knights turned to stone turned back to normal.

And his reward? Obviously he gets the princess! Does she even like him? Nope, obviously any good Christian boy will be compatible with any good Christian girl as long as they "hold onto that scroll" so her father without any say from her is like "Go ahead and marry her you just saved the world!" Their rules of courting is that the man has to ask the father permission to court so you have to do all of these godly actions and have good character to prove yourself to him.
Problem is that well... the fact that courting in fundie circles is so supervised that the two people part of the couple will act differently knowing they are watched than after they marry when they are finally alone. So, your knight in shining armor? There is the possible will turn out to be a douchebag in tinfoil and is just acting good around everyone and there is no opportunities for him to show his true colors. The same could be applied with the woman as well. That's one of the many big flaws.

What gets even more funny is that if you look up the comments on Amazon, you find some people complaining that it isn't biblical ENOUGH.

Still, my main reason for wanting to show you as a comparison is that he still gets to do something more cool that just mingling with suitors and presented a lot more material than being about just marrying the right guy and not losing your virgin lips... I think I'll find the companion manual to Stay in the Castle, which is the Seven Royal Laws of Courtship next... until then have a good day

Edit: I'm kinda new to the whole sporky thing. There is also a companion book to Princess and the Kiss and Squire and the Scroll books it seems too. I will definitely require a spin-off thread.
 
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So as the son of a pastor, I know most of these folks tend to not go away once they know they got a market for this stuff (Fun fact: Church is nothing but the business of making people feel better about themselves through the least amount possible.). You're gonna love this.

The author of your book, Mrs. Coleen Kelly Mast which apparently as a Masters of Science degree as well as Doctor of Human Letters degree (that being an honorary title meaning you've created a lot of stuff) is apparently a big mover and shaker with the Catholics. According to her website, http://www.sexrespect.com, "She assisted with the writing of the 1990 USCC Bishops document on Human Sexuality Education, and in 1996, Mast was one of four US family life experts invited to the Vatican by the Pontifical Council for the Family to present at an in-depth study of “Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality” document when it was released. In 2011 she was appointed by the US Council of Catholic Bishops to serve a four year term on its National Review Board."

She apparently also has her own call-in TV show on the EWTN (Catholic Broadcasting) channel, every Saturday morning, 9-11 called "Mast Appeal" cuz her last name is "Mast" and... yeah. So yeah, fuck Saturday morning cartoons, DVR this shit.

Oh, but what about her book? Well, turns out she's still selling the thing, along with other various workbooks about abstinence and marriage counseling.

I'm going to assume she's polished it up a bit- but boy, you gotta love some of these chapter titles from the latest iteration of "Love and Life":

Chapter 5: The Real Source and the Real Force (fo' shizzle)
Chapter 6: Male and Female He Created Them (Attention Chris...)
Chapter 11: Put Yourself in the Driver's Seat--with Self-Mastery! (I can't of any other way this doesn't sound implicity dirty)
Chapter 14: Modesty: A Good "Put-On" (So... modesty is a hoax...?)
Chapter 16: Nature Never Forgives (Nature is a harsh bitch)
Chapter 17: Close Encounters of the Best Kind (...oh you are so punny.)
Chapter 18: The Saints Come Marching In (3rd Street Represent!)
Chapter 22: God is Pro-Life and Pro-Love (Which is why He was totally cool with King Herod killing all those infants to try and find teh babeh Jesus.)
Chapter 24: Take the Pledge for Purity (Attention again, Chris.)

So yeah... better living through telling children what to do with their genitals.
I want to give you all the positive ratings. If I ever see one of her updated books in a thrift store (because I sure as shit am not going to pay full price or support this crap) I will review/compare it, although I doubt there will be that many differences.

She apparently also has her own call-in TV show on the EWTN (Catholic Broadcasting) channel, every Saturday morning, 9-11 called "Mast Appeal" cuz her last name is "Mast" and... yeah. So yeah, fuck Saturday morning cartoons, DVR this shit.
Someone hit the signal and summon Dicksquad.
 
Sorry I haven't updated in awhile. I'm going to go ahead and finish off the rest of the book.

Hey guys! Let's fill out a questionaire. I really wish I had the student book right now.
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As you can see, my parent's didn't bother filling out (or even using) the book.

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"What is his or her greatest sorrow?" I like how poetic they make these questions.

I'm actually sad these questions are more boring than stupid. I feel like I've failed you all ;_;

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I thought group dating was just another word for double dating, but they listed that to. So how the fuck does group (as in more than six people) dating work? Aren't you just hanging out with friends at that point?

"Should you drink on a date (beer, wine, other alcohol?) Why or why not?" Well, since they gave this to us in 7th grade, and the legal age for alcohol consumption in B.C. is 19, and this is a book all about dating for teenagers, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no because it would be illegal, date or no date. I'm actually a bit surprised that this book didn't insinuate that if you drink on a date you will get raped like a scarlett whore (although I'm sure plenty of parents wrote that in as the answer).

"Honest affection should express the depth of your relationship and not be based only on feelings. What kind of relationship is expressed in each of these forms of affection?" THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN!?

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Most of those questions should probably be given to the loveshys. I'd love to see their answers.

"They need to be told that petting and intercourse belong in marriage." God, all I can think of is this blog http://kristinaskeeps.blogspot.ca/2009/02/obeying-6-rule.html

"Keep all of your clothes all the way on all of the time." I don't care how warm it is in the restuarnt, keep your jacket on or you'll give your date a boner.

"Teens need to know that drinking and drugs are wrong...because your freedom to make good moral decisions is lost." Well that,and because it's illegal and can get people fired or ruin businesses if it's found out that minors were served. Also, one drink isn't going to fog your mind.

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"how he can be the leader on the date by keeping things under control" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha fuck you

Oh my god the difference between the notes for boys and girls is hilarously depressing.

"how she can set the tone of the relationship by the way she acts.

how modesty is important in helping boys respect her.

how her body is as valuable as she wants it to be.

what responsibility she has in setting limits and how a well mannered boy will be grateful."


I love the random quote by a totally for real "16 year old girl". You don't need citations when you have THE LORD.

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"Discuss the dangers of dates "alone at someone's house", or "just watching videos". Talk about the temptations privacy affords." I love the scare quotes around "just watching videos". Like the guy's going to invite a girl over to watch the latest John Hughes movie and then spring some surprise hard core porn on her.

"Encourage double dating and discourage steady dating." ... Why the holy fuck would you discourage dating the same person? Does she not know what steady means?

"Guide teens to set limits on affection" That has to be one of the most unhealthy sentences in this book.

"Highly emotional relationships drain energy and should be used in school, church and family activities." Yeah, you need to save your energy for standing outside clinics and screaming death threats at women.

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"It is important to meet the parents of your children's friends and discuss your values and expectations with them." Now, if this said "it's important to me the parent's of the people your child is dating" this would make sense, but why the hell would you have to meet every parent of your child's friends just to talk about your values and expectations? That's not realistic and is more than likely going to socially harm your child. Not every parent will share your morals. What do you do then besides break off your child's friendships?

"Some tell-tale signs of sexually active youth are such things as:

spending more time ALONE with one person.
Why is alone CAPSLOCKED?

showing less interest in other friends. Yeah, or maybe because teenagers are fickle and will drop friends for the stupidest reasons. But it's much safer to assume your teenager is having sex.

"Passion is the worst preparation for marriage". Cold indifference is the best way to go.

"A parent who gives a teen birth control information and materials has destoryed both reasons [fear of getting pregnant and not wanting to disappoint parents]. By encouraging sexual activity, they are in effect saying, Do it, but don't get caught." No they aren't. Maybe if you surveyed parents who teach safe sex to teenagers instead of surveying some unknown number of virigins you'd know. They're educating their children to make their own decisions. Education won't kill them. A lack of education will.

"If teens were told there would be no security systems or personnel in the shopping center next weekend, might there be an increase in shoplifting?" Okay, 1: These two things are nowhere near the same. One is educating, the other is not. 2: This assumes that people only follow the law because they don't want to be punished, not because they want to be good people. 3: WOW way to stereotype there. Change the word teen to any ethnic minority and try not to sound like a piece of shit.

"Giving teens birth control materials so they can continue to fornicate is like putting a band-aid on cancer." Cancer is only appropriate within marriage.

"Pregnancy is not a disease." If you don't want kids, then yes it is.

"Besides, the only 100% effective birth control is abstinence." Unless you get raped.

"Since contraceptive education was extended to teenagers, there has been an increase in promiscuity, venereal disease and a tremendous increase in teen pregnancies."
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I do not believe for a second that any of these suggestions came from real teenagers, pregnant or not.

"Although having an unwed, pregnant daughter is always a disappointment..." WOW. And if you're wondering if the book mentions sons who get girls knocked up being a disappointment, SURPRISE! they don't say that.

Blah blah blah we're about to get into the "every sperm is sacred" bullshit now.

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Complete with drawings of things that aren't people.

"If we as grandparents help raise the child, will this add confusion to the child's life?" Holy fuck, the amount of shaming pregnant teens and out of wedlock children is insane.

"The baby can enjoy the love, care and protection possible in a two parent home." Unless the baby given up for adoption is a minority or disabled. Anti-choicers seem to love ignoring that reality. Also, make sure it's a two parent couple adopting. Single parents adopting will probably end up killing the child or raising them to be athiests or something equally horrifying.

The pain and sacrifice of giving the child to a loving couple may be worth the better opportunity the child will have for a happier life." I had this big long thing written out, but since a certain Kiwi member has made it hard to have a serious discussion about the pros and cons about adoption, I'll keep it quick. Women who give their babies up for adoption are more likely to suffer from depression and there barely any resources to help them cope because society expects them to be happy and go on with life. A couple girls I went to highschool with ended up giving their kids up for adoption shortly after graduating (because SURPRISE abstinance education didn't work for them). My best friend told me that one of them ended up morbidly depressed to the point that she would get triggered by even Pampers commericals. And I don't mean triggered in the SJW "I'm getting prickly wicklies" sense, I mean in the full blown meltdown, sobbing hysterically sense. And that's not even getting into the issues with white people adopting non white children.

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Oh look, another goddamn half page.

And now some book recommendations, or, more bullshit based on nothing.

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LOL at those last acknowledgments
And the back cover.
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Would just like to share that I was a teen whose mother espoused the benefits of safe sex and imparted no values on me other than "be responsible". Contrary to what the book states, at the age of 17 I was not pregnant, I did not and do not have STDs or any of the other apparent negative results of contraception, and rather than alienate me the experience drew me close with my mother since I felt I could confide in her about any of those things and I would never be a disappointment to her.
 
What's hilarious/sad is that my mom went to a Catholic high school herself, in the 1970s...and received a pretty comprehensive sex education, complete with discussion of contraception. Sounds like things went backwards. :(
 
What's hilarious/sad is that my mom went to a Catholic high school herself, in the 1970s...and received a pretty comprehensive sex education, complete with discussion of contraception. Sounds like things went backwards. :(
Even my childhood friend who was in a Catholic school got that kind of education as well. While the public school I went to loved to talk about graphic depictions of STDs to scare us off of sex.
 
Even my childhood friend who was in a Catholic school got that kind of education as well. While the public school I went to loved to talk about graphic depictions of STDs to scare us off of sex.
For what it's worth, I went to a charter school for middle school, and we basically never got any real sex ed. There was a brief unit in 7th grade science, and that was it.

Fortunately I had parents who were willing to answer my questions, but I pity any kids from that school who weren't so lucky.
 
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There you go. That's what we're in for. All Most of it gold, all of it full of bullshit.

I don't think it counts as a chapter or section when it's less than one page long.

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I was in a catholic school till college and they have a more progressive thinking than this people. And we founded the Opus Dei, so...
 
Why did you necro a thread that’s been dead for 3 and a half years just to diss me

Because I'm emotionally dysfunctional, and you're a hypocritical religious fundamentalist. Also to let the KiwiFarms Army of Jesus know that this board isn't just an extension of their revival tent.

E.T.A. I wouldn't let your master/husband catch you on-line if I were you, especially in a thread that discusses *GASP* masturbation.
 
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