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It's important to recognize that people who are recruited into the trans cult did not arrive there because they made a rational choice to join. Cults and similar high control groups get their hook on people through emotional manipulation; they offer you something you need like a sense of purpose and belonging, relief from anxiety and self-doubt, or secret knowledge that will allow you to transcend yourself (in this case, hormones and surgery). Because of this, appeals to logic and reason don't work very well in getting people out of cults.

Cults also go further in their control through phobia indoctrination: by telling their members that those who are not inside of the cult are Unsafe. One of the most common doctrines of transgenderism is that transition is the only solution; if you don't transition, you will suffer more and more until you die of suicide. Anyone who expresses even the mildest skepticism about transitioning therefore wants you to die, because they are a bigot. There is absolutely no other reason. Only other cult members can Love you and Save you.

Therefore, rebuilding trust is the first step in getting someone out of the trans cult. Express curiosity rather than judgment. If you come across as hostile, you increase the likelihood that your loved one will shut down. Instead, remind them of the person that they were before they trooned out, and carefully wean them off of the cult's dependency.
 
Not a specific source but the phrase "You are not your feelings" is probably one of the most useful things that really break up the trans thoughts. "If you ever wished you were a woman/man, you are trans" is something that gets repeated a lot in trans spaces. Everyone wishes they were something else at one point in their life, including being the opposite sex, but usually they're just passing thoughts.

There's a lot of people that have other mental illnesses that get mistaken for being trans. Off the top of my head, there's OCD, body dysmorphia, eating disorders, schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders, PTSD, dissociative disorders, and some personality disorders.

And then there's even things like simply being gender non-conforming, being gay or even being an outsider that can contribute to it.

A lot of detransitioners had unique problems that made them believe they were trans so I don't think there's really a one size solution. If I find something more specific and useful that hasn't already been posted I'll see if I can post it.
 
I'm Retarded? said:
this is the problem, faggot. every fucking troon that ruins themselves is a son, a brother, a friend, a husband. every time one of these people cuts off their friends and family in favor of a bunch of online strangers, it sends ripples through the social fabric. I desperately hope my friend finds his way to detransition. I hope he finds this thread and challenges his own programming. I hope he finds his way out of the cult and reclaims his happiness. your gay ass post makes it clear that you've never experienced this yourself. and I hope you never do. faggot.
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Pardon my brazenness, but I’m an actual lesbian. I deal with the trans community whether or not I want to. Ironically, I also have a degree Psychology and a minor women’s study. If you or anyone need to bounce your thoughts off of or understand rhetoric these people use, I am happy to help. Fortunately, and unfortunately, I was taught to analysis and breakdown the material misused to indoctrinated people into this.

I know I shit on trannies a lot, but damn I know how bad it hurts to lose someone to this shit. It especially hurts to know how they exploited them and what they said to get them there. “Queerness” back then and now has full blown evolved into just straight Freudian cult rhetoric. People aren’t being taught that they’re normal and healthy people anymore. Or taught to understand their abnormalities in conjunction to the expectations of society. They’re being taught that their “defects” take root in the inversion of their sex/gender. Essentially your habits and interests indicate that you have to be in the other sex. Or that if you’re straight or gay, that’s abnormal and you must twist yourself to match the current obsession of the cult. You’re neither boy or girl if your tastes are both feminine and masculine, you’re a genderless blob. Why? Because you have to be one or the other. And you better claim to be some kind of sexuality that isn’t straight or you’re really broken.

Please forgive the faggotry. It just horrifying to watch countless people especially children being handed HRT instead of actual therapy. And then just knowing and seeing that all that pain and misery is only going to consume them. The more they disfigure themselves, isn’t going to get ride of their problems or self-hatred. They want a costume that they can step into and reinvent themselves through. If any of their problems were bearable then, and the good out weighed the bad, they’re pretty much done for if they aren’t removed immediately from that situation. They tell you to expect rejection from everyone else (a genuinely common thing back then), and use it to make you stick around and be dependent on them. Even worse they deluded themselves into ignoring that the actual repulsion they are experiencing is internal. They twist that shit into “queer joy”, or into tearing each other down but framing it like catty gay man shit.

It’s just straight appalling to see people be told what they are and forced into it. And all you can do is just watch all these fuckers clap and smile either out of delusion or fear of repercussion. You either bend or break with these people, there’s no in between.
 
This randomly came on my dash, had to figure out where to post this interview and it looks like this thread's the place to do it. You can see the hurt on his face as he's talking about the procedure, how he got to it, and his life after his surgery.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
This randomly came on my dash, had to figure out where to post this interview, and it looks like this thread's the place to do it. You can see the hurt on his face as he's talking about the procedure, how he got to it, and his life after his surgery.
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God, the first 20 seconds are enough to tell me that people genuinely need medical literacy. SRA and a double mastectomy are always these people's first surgeries. They have no idea what to do or expect. So many of these surgeries result from negligence on all sides. You cannot rely on the internet to tell you what doctor to see. You especially can't rely on Reddit or Instagram to get you a "good" doctor. Notoriously, most of these plastic surgery doctors aren't even surgeons by specialty. They're often fucking dermatologists because the board of medicine isn't going to hold them accountable for their lack of training and experience. Someone has to die or get really fucked up for them to happen across it on their own. More importantly, these patients don't know that they can even go after these doctors criminally and take it to the board of medicine in their state. Experimental surgery and treatment are one thing, but malicious misrepresentation and disfigurement are another. Even if the contract says you can't go after them criminally or civilly, courts have thrown that out for situations exactly like this. Especially for the amount of damage and "revisions" these people pay more to put themselves through.
 
Crossposting from the "Posting Ls" thread, a first-person account from Cori / Corinna Cohn a teenage misfit who got himself groomed on IRC in the 1990s. Written very clearly and with insight, and minimal requests for pity.

Substitute Discord for IRC and it's similar to today, but Cohn also was in the subculture during the shift where transsexuals and crossdressers morphed into "trans," That's a big missing piece for a lot of normie oldtimers.
Candidate No 7 said:
There are trannies that have a reasonable understanding of what and who they are, usually after a period of full delusion. TERFs have had fierce arguments (I mean total bitch fights honestly) about how to interact with them.

For 30 Years, I've Tried to Become a Woman. Here’s What I Learned Along the Way (Quilette). Archive
This is by Corinna Cohn who co-hosts the Heterodorx podcast with Nina Paley the TERF cartoonist.

In the UK we have Debbie Hayton (Spectator achive, mostly firewalled) who after being a trans evangelist for years agreed to debate with TERFs and ended up agreeing with them.
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I'm Retarded? said:
this is the problem, faggot. every fucking troon that ruins themselves is a son, a brother, a friend, a husband. every time one of these people cuts off their friends and family in favor of a bunch of online strangers, it sends ripples through the social fabric. I desperately hope my friend finds his way to detransition. I hope he finds this thread and challenges his own programming. I hope he finds his way out of the cult and reclaims his happiness. your gay ass post makes it clear that you've never experienced this yourself. and I hope you never do. faggot.
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Oh my god dude, I am so sorry. I wish you could have saved him.
 
Christopher Paul Whitney said:
This is such a weird thread. I don't want these weirdos to detransition. They're more amusing as chaotic, histrionic messes. Let them goon in discord. Let them stew and brew about politics. If they all got normal, we would lose some of the best content on this site. Aside from being hot, they can be super amusing from time to time.

If anything, there should be a thread on resources for transitioning. Teach these weird reddit addicts and shut-ins how to transition. Teach them how to in the most dangerous ways. How to homebrew hormones. How to cut their own junk off. Who was that weirdo who cut his own dick off? Dorian Thorn? He wasn't a tranny, but step-by-step instructions should be given on how to achieve this.

Trannies amuse the shit out of me. Don't change them at all.
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This message smells like BO and wet garbage.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
This randomly came on my dash, had to figure out where to post this interview and it looks like this thread's the place to do it. You can see the hurt on his face as he's talking about the procedure, how he got to it, and his life after his surgery.
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interviews with detransitioners are so interesting. going through such a brutal journey of transformation only to find out it's all false in the end really teaches you some shit about life. this guy seems especially intelligent and eloquent. "Facts don't care about feelings, but also feelings don't care about facts. We care about stories. We care about emotion. We care about connecting with people. How can you really be sure that this person isn't going to change their mind? How do you know they're not driven by something they're not even really aware of themselves? Do people really know their motivations for a lot of things?" what a quote
 
I'm Retarded? said:
this is the problem, faggot. every fucking troon that ruins themselves is a son, a brother, a friend, a husband. every time one of these people cuts off their friends and family in favor of a bunch of online strangers, it sends ripples through the social fabric.
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Your friend shouldn't have gotten that other women invested in a relationship before coming out as trans. It was a total bait and switch. I would have left the relationship too.
 
Mysterious Figure said:
Your friend shouldn't have gotten that other women invested in a relationship before coming out as trans. It was a total bait and switch. I would have left the relationship too.
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it was not a bait and switch. they were married over 10 years before he decided he was trans. he never showed any signs, he wasn't a pervert, he wasn't chronically online. I am pretty certain that he was groomed into it by some bad influences in his friend group who took advantage of his naivete. I think he also had some struggles with alienation from his family. I don't know man. I wish he had talked to me about it.
 
ADOLFHEILKANYE said:
honestly, i can see the overpopulation theory, troons are one of them, they're what i called the bloat or unecessary population (which is culmination of probable inherited genes that are bad) thus their sterilization (transition) are an ultimate good
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This is a retarded theory, if that were the case then shitholes like India, the middle east, etc should be culling themselves in similar ways on a similar scale. But they aren't, they just keep on breeding, never fix the issues in their own countries, and demand to immigrate into civilized countries to reap the rewards of civilization without ever meaningfully contributing to it.

The real overpopulation is in barely-functional shitholes, not in comfortable developed countries (civilized countries have a low birthrate because we can invest more into less offspring, we don't have to shit out 12 kids and hope enough of them live past the age of 5).
 
Christopher Paul Whitney said:
If anything, there should be a thread on resources for transitioning. Teach these weird reddit addicts and shut-ins how to transition. Teach them how to in the most dangerous ways. How to homebrew hormones. How to cut their own junk off. Who was that weirdo who cut his own dick off? Dorian Thorn? He wasn't a tranny, but step-by-step instructions should be given on how to achieve this.
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Shut the fuck up stupid niggerbitch. You want to put grooming resources on Kiwifarms and you aren't fooling anyone with "but like they're amusing hahaha". Weird Reddit shut-ins have difficult lives as it is, they're mindfucked from all sides and you want a thread here to help them troon out? You can't coerce people into ruining themselves just because it's funnier that way. Psychopathic male manipulator vibes. Get raped get raped get raped!
 
I'm Retarded? said:
I am pretty certain that he was groomed into it by some bad influences in his friend group who took advantage of his naivete. I think he also had some struggles with alienation from his family. I don't know man. I wish he had talked to me about it.
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Once again, this is what cults do. They never go after well situated people. The moment someone expresses any level of loneliness or vulnerability is when they pounce. For him it may have been much easier to talk to people you’ll never see than those you actually do on a daily basis. For some people, it’s just too much vulnerability and room for rejection. It’s sad when you can’t talk to someone you actually love and people you care about. Yet I’m positive he had his reasons prior to the TIMs starting to whisper in his ear and tear down his self-esteem further.
 
FBI-chan said:
This is a retarded theory, if that were the case then shitholes like India, the middle east, etc should be culling themselves in similar ways on a similar scale. But they aren't, they just keep on breeding, never fix the issues in their own countries, and demand to immigrate into civilized countries to reap the rewards of civilization without ever meaningfully contributing to it.

The real overpopulation is in barely-functional shitholes, not in comfortable developed countries (civilized countries have a low birthrate because we can invest more into less offspring, we don't have to shit out 12 kids and hope enough of them live past the age of 5).
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speaking of which, there is something stupid about the mentality "more offspring = richer"
 
A large part of getting out of all of this is trying to find a friend group out of the circle which is pretty difficult for autists or even a just neet shut in. IRL friend groups that are troon/poon pilled are even worse, where they will argue until they're blue in the face that you're just hating yourself if you detrans and you need to "be your real self" and keep calling yourself a tranny. It works pretty similar to something like the Jehovah's Witnesses, where if you don't believe in it anymore, it's amount to social suicide and at least in blue areas can make it pretty hard to stay in other friend or hobby groups like gaming due to them being infested.
 
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