Arch: Hmm. Dev is currently being mind controlled. We need to discuss your interview with Brianna Wu at some point. I need to berate you for that.
Dev: No, just do it right now. It's fine.
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Arch: We need, unironically, we need to have like a proper debate on rehabilitating the lefty crazies at some point, because I'm thoroughly against it. In fact, I think it's just a goddamn psy-op, but...
Dev: So here's the thing about Brianna Wu. It's very simple, right? She is not capable of changing my mind on anything. And that's not me being impolite. It's just that I know where my positions are. I know what my morals are. They're pretty well founded at this point. So I don't view myself as moving too much politically from my current position. So she can't change me. And she certainly can't change my audience. And I don't think anyone will view her, especially considering, because you watch at least part of it, Arch, considering what she said in that interview. I don't think anybody who's not on the left will view her as as having changed that much.
Arch: Sure, but I am...
Dev: She is simply more polite than she was 10 years ago, which I can appreciate, because I can sit down in a room with somebody who I disagree with, and as long as they're polite, we can have a conversation. The issue was that she was not polite 10 years ago, and now she is.
Arch: That's the problem. That's what the losing side does. And I don't think we should, um, not recompense, reform, god, I forgot an English word now.
Dev: Reform? Reform. Rehabilitate?
Arch: Rehabilitate, yes, that's one. Rehabilitate these people. I think they should actually be left outside in the darkness with the wolves.
Dev: Well, do you think that I have rehabilitated her?
Arch: I think you're trying to. I think you are the bridge that is going to be, try to be used.
Dev: I don't think so.
Arch: I, I, I make a prediction right now. Over the next few years, you are going to be approached by several of the feminists. You're probably going to add, at some point, Anita Sarkeesian is going to knock on your door. You know why? Because you're viewed as the most communist of all of us, and that's approachable.
Dev: But here's the thing. I'm, I'm really not from their point of view. Like, okay, that, that stream that I mentioned earlier. From their point of view. Where I debated that feminist, all right? She, she openly called me a fascist on that stream. And I was, I was as far right as you could possibly go. These people don't view me as the moderate bridge.
Arch: Yes, but she's not smart. Like, that's the thing. Brianna Wu is probably smart. Or at the very least, wily. Because she knows that the tide is changing, and I think that's the reason why she is more polite, as you call it. Because I think she views you as a relatively moderate bridge over to the side that is currently in the ascendance. And she can't change all of her positions at once, because that will be far too revealing. Instead, she is slowly, but surely going to become more, ahem, radical, shall we say, changing her point of view until, after a while, she'll be sitting there like, yep, no, I'm on this side now. This seems, this seems to be the good side.
Dev: Well, if it is the good side, then she should change to it, shouldn't she?
Arch: No, outside with the wolves. Let's see who comes home pregnant.
Dev: So, okay, hold on, hold on. Here's the thing, right? So, she watches all of my videos, and she's told me that I'm the only, I'm one of the only smart right-wingers out there, which I know is funny considering you call me a communist, but from her point of view, I'm a right-winger. And here's the thing, I've also convinced her on a whole bunch of things, being, in her words, one of the only smart right-wingers out there.
Arch: Yes, because she's naturalizing to our side, Dev. It's like I fucking told you.
Dev: But, but if I actually am convincing her, that's a good thing.
Arch: Dev, Jesus Christ. That's exactly it. That is precisely the point. That's exactly what I said. She views you as the, the, the, the, uh, the middle of the road, the, uh, the fence-sitter, so to say, as the decently approachable communist, and she'll go up to you, and she'll be like, Dev, Dev, you're a good boy. You're a good boy. I like you, Dev. Dev, you can convince me on these points. I'll slowly become one of you, and then she'll be on our side. She will have been successfully naturalized.
Dev: Okay, but if she actually is, what's the problem?
Arch: I don't like her.
Dev: Well, that sucks. That's not part of the conversation.
Arch: No, it is, because when she was the one holding the gun, it was bang. And I don't want that on my side. I don't think they deserve rehabilitation. I think they deserve to be the losers of this culture war.
Dev: Here, let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. All right. Everyone can be redeemed.
Arch: I don't know about that.
Dev: I think people can definitely change their views and adopt better views genuinely in good faith, not faking it as some sort of psy-op, not just, not just playing to someone's ego. People, people can genuinely change. And if it's the case, so here's the thing. If it's the case that she hasn't changed, I don't think she's going to get anything out of me, because I'm not going to change to agree with her. Especially, like, if I, hold on. If there are things that I don't agree with her on now, I'm not going to agree with her on those things in five years, I don't think. Right? And she's, and she's not going to get at my audience either. So I don't see, I don't see the problem here.
Arch: I don't think she's going to change your mind. You're far too set in your communist ways, of course. But once she's accepted into the good graces of the prevailing movement again, she will then be getting a platform directed towards that movement. Now, will she convince your audience? Maybe not. Will she convince many people? Maybe not. But she is nevertheless a disingenuous actor, in my presumption.
Dev: Again, you could be right. She could be genuinely thinking that this is a, you know, good turn of events, maybe.
Arch: And I don't think she should be afforded that platform, because I've come along to the left-wing position on this. I've come along to the idea that there are people that simply should be denied a public, uh, speaker. Because when they, in my opinion, when the left was given the opportunity to eradicate their opposition, they could not wait to pull the trigger. They pulled the trigger as hard, as many times as they could. Thank God they missed, and I don't want them to get a second shot. And I have grown to understand Stalin's ideas of, uh, occasionally culling the many numbers of enemies a little bit.
Dev: So here's the thing, right? Like, like, Brianna Wu is definitely quite far left in terms of American politics, but she's not a socialist [A FUCKING LEAF!]. And I think that was, a lot of social democrats are kind of going through this, right? They've been going through it now for the past couple years, where they've realized that they have put themselves in the same camp with a lot of genuine, crazy people and the socialists. Because a lot of the stock-doms, they still want capitalism, they still want private property, they want high taxes and social services, but they don't want any sort of collective ownership, they don't want any of that socialist nonsense, right? And they realized, oh shit, we're now, you know, in our, in our opposition to Trump, we were blind, and now we're all in a camp with a bunch of genuinely insane fucking Stalinists, all right? And a lot of them are now coming to this realization, including Brianna Wu. So you know what? If, if that is the beginning of a political awakening, I think it should be fostered.
Arch: Well, I would simply then sit, sit on the other side of the fence and go, well, it appears you have made your bed. It is now time to get metaphorically fucked in it.
Dev: Well, that's the thing, is that she, she did get metaphorically fucked in it. And now she's like, okay, I get it. I've paid my penance, let me out.
Arch: So you think I believe that penance can ever be paid. No, I, I have, ironically, I have fully adopted this position. Like if your enemy wishes to destroy you, you destroy them. Though the left has convinced me of this. It took them many years, but it has convinced me.
Dev: I mean, I get what you mean. However, if a former enemy comes to me and says, I've learned my lesson. I'm like, okay, all right.
Arch: Exactly. And this is why you'll be the bridge.
Dev: Former enemies Arch! FORMER!
Arch: Dev, in, in three or four years, we're going to be sitting here and I'm going to look at you and you're going to feel the fucking smugness of my smile through the fucking monitor. And I will ask you one question. So what did I say?
Dev: So hold on, hold on. So if it turns out--
Arch: You'll be sitting there with the Brianna Wu shaped dagger in your back.
Dev: Well, how could she possibly backstab me though? She has none of my secrets. She can't do anything to me. She can't ruin my, my YouTube career. She can't touch anything IRL. Like she Brianna Wu can't actually hurt me.
Arch: No, not now.
Dev: Okay.
Arch: Not now. And hell, she might never be able to hurt you, but it will be the disassociation. At some point they'll be like, well, you know, I used to, I used to hang out with Dev and I thought he was normal, but because of his position on this or this, she might not be able to hurt you. She's simply going to throw you under the, the, the term under the bus for something or other. You're going to say something. And when I and Vee were like, what about the Pikamee thing? You were a bit dumb there, but we're still friends. She's going to be Dev, "Burn in hell, you insensitive cuckold". And I will sit here and smile.
Dev: Well, that might be the case, but that's why, you know, you and Vee and, and Sargon and everyone else in the super secret chat, we're all like, we're all genuine friends. And I wouldn't put Brianna Wu on the same level as you guys.
Arch: Is it because she's a woman, Dev? [Sarcastic]
Dev: Oh God, there's, there's a couple of spicy ways to answer that question, Arch.
Arch: Oh, the answer is yes, of course. [Stating Dev's position]
Dev: Is it?
Arch: And it's a super secret conspiracy chat, Dev, give it its full name.
Dev: The super secret conspiracy chat. Yeah.
Arch: But I, I'm telling him, I think you are being used as a useful tool and, uh.
Dev: Maybe I am, maybe I am, but it was an enjoyable conversation for me and I would do it again.
Arch: I will, I will not disassociate with you even when you are proven hideously wrong.
Dev: I might be, who knows, right? Who knows? Oh, by the way, speaking of, oh, oh yes. Someone just super chat, Arch has many knife wounds in the back. Here's the thing. I have some knife wounds in my back too. In fact, Arch and I share a couple of the exact same knife wounds from the same person. All right. So, so I understand your point, Arch, but the thing is, is because I conduct myself in private the exact same way that I do in public, like there's, there's no secret about me that if it got out, I would be destroyed. You know what I mean? I don't fear these things.
Arch: I get your argument, but I also think that what you say, um, even if it's entirely normal, et cetera, can change so radically over time that it can become a cancelable event over time. Like the, the, uh, what is and is not publicly acceptable. One year to another can change so radically that even if you have never done anything that you think is objectionable, it can become objectionable. And if you have allied yourself with someone who seems to indeed turn their cape in accordance to the prevailing winds, they will throw you under the bus first before they can be thrown under it themselves. Cause that was the entire thing about the racist joke stuff. Like my biggest canceling event was for racist jokes. And I was canceled by people I know to have made racist jokes. I would cancel by people who I know had racist jokes in their bios who still have, et cetera, because this is how traitorous little fucking shits work.
Dev: I know what you mean. Artemis says $2. Are you sure about that? Yes, I am sure about that. My conduct, even if you disagree with my politics, my conduct online has been quite clean. I am not afraid. Get digging. I'm not, I'm not afraid of things getting out about me. No.
Arch: Bring it to me first so I can vet it, of course.
Dev: I mean, here's the, like, like leftoids have tried that. They tried that with the whole like trans chaser thing. And I'm just like, yeah. So what?
Arch: That's because that's acceptable now. Like that is, in fact, some might even go like based. But let's say, okay, 15 years in the future, we are, we have gone full right wing. Okay. We are full Bible thumping. Like people are branded with a little cross on their forehead every morning. They need to go to school, right? Then that emerges. And then even if you're like, yeah, I stand by that. Society might still turn you into red paste.
Dev: Maybe so. But I'm still not going to lie about it. I'm not going to back down from that. No, that's who I am. That's how I am.
Arch: And that will be an admirable stance on the the red stain on the side of the road.
Dev: Well, somebody's got to do it. It might as well be me.
Arch: Ah, we actually need to have like a wider proper discussion on this at some point, because I think there is something cool to be. Well, we've already kind of talked about it, but I think it's a fascinating idea as we are going to see a lot more leftists try to rehabilitate themselves. That will be the opportunity for a larger discussion on the topic, because right now there's only like one or two. There's going to be a lot more. Again, I'll wait until Anita ends up in your fucking mailbox. Then then we'll talk.
Dev: Here's the thing. I don't think Anita knows who I am. I don't think most people know who I am. I'm still like a small YouTuber.
Arch: You will become known as the bridge. I tell you now, I tell you, this is my prophecy that they have the bridge.
Dev: The reason that that Brianna knows who I am is because she was recommended my videos by from somebody and she basically binge watched my entire channel. And I changed her mind on a bunch of things, even though like the policy she wants in place, like, you know, a universal health care system for America or things like that. Those policies didn't change. But how she views, you know, the philosophy behind certain ideas that change. And I think that's more important, frankly, like how you think is a very important part of this.
