Did MJ actually diddle kids?

[tehpope]

I don't think we'll ever know for sure. I really don't have a fucking clue.

 

[The Cunting Death]

No

After Leaving Neverland, I double checked myself to see if it all lined up (mostly because Documentaries are one of the most emotionally manipulative types of film)
Little of it actually added up.




After that, I saw that razorfist video, and he made two really good points:

• Corey Feldman, someone who actually was molested as a kid, validated that he actually felt safe around Jackson; as did Culkin (minus the molested part)
• The Attorney who defended him in the 2005 case still defends him despite not being employed by his estate since that case.

On top of that, I've noticed how much the media will lie to you if it furthers their agenda just this last decade


And just look at his childhood, he was working all the fucking time as a kid, it makes a bit of sense he lived like a kid because he never got to live an actual childhood.


All that being said it is still fun to make jokes about the topic.

 

[seri0us]

All that being said it is still fun to make jokes about the topic.

Yeah, especially since we have no clear answer and never will.

 

[Overly Serious]

So many of the accusations and stories about him collapse when you actually examine him that there was obviously a deliberate smear campaign against him and the actual lawsuit I recall was by someone so obviously mercenary and untrustworthy it's almost worth just dismissing outright. So given those things I come down fairly heavily on them just attacking someone who was frankly just very innocent.

As examples of the things that collapse under examination, I kept hearing about how he slept in the same bedroom as kids. Which is a little concerning until you learn that the "bedroom" was some giant mezzanine room more like a giant camp than a room with a bed in it. Or that a child accurately drew a picture of his penis in court as evidence that MJ had shown it to that child. And then you find that THIS is the drawing.

It feels like a vicious campaign that was probably in large part responsible for his death as well. And here's another thing - he was a very positive role-model for many people and also, fwiw, a very positive figure for many Black people. Seriously, I met people in Africa who were fans of his because they loved seeing a Black guy (even if ended up white) be this huge success in America. He was adored. And I think there are industry figures who wanted to promote gangster rap and culture as an active attack on Black communities. You hear a few guarded stories along those lines. I think some people took glee in tearing down Michael Jackson for that reason in addition to the vultures in the press. Look at the songs he was recording later on. Things like "They don't care about us" and Don't matter if you're black or white. His messaging was all about positivity, not letting people divide you into racial groups. He was the exact opposite of all the Critical Race Theory stuff and he was massively popular. I'm quite certain there were people who wanted to destroy him for those things alone.

They Don't Care About Us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

He was also, just going to put this out there, extremely talented. He had perfect pitch, was a great performer. Dude was the quintessential star.

 

[Syaoran Li]

He is one of the very few cases where I honestly, gun to head, Bible in hand, lie detector on, have no fucking idea.
There's more crazy shit surrounding this than JFK, I can't even get a gut feeling on it man...

Amen to that. Personally, I think he was innocent but there's enough circumstantial evidence for both claims.

He was definitely a weirdo with kids, and its not surprising considering how fucked and sad his life was. But I don't think he diddled anyone. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he was afraid of sexual antics considering the places his father took him to and the things he forced MJ to see and possibly do when he was barely able to walk.

Pretty much. MJ was definitely molested as a kid and the abuse he suffered at the hands of Joe Jackson shattered his mind. With abuse victims, some become abusers themselves and others just shatter in other ways. I think MJ just was in a state of arrested development and mental regression.

There's a theory that Michael Jackson was a castrato and given how evil Joe Jackson was, I would not be surprised if that was the case. If he had no sex drive, then there is the question of why he had all those old porn magazines at his house.

@Dom Cruise brings up a good point with the theory that Jackson's mind was pretty much stuck at twelve or thirteen years old and he probably unironically was a fan of "naked people are funny" humor if he was a castrato and didn't see anything sexual in it beyond the crude humor angle.

I honestly have no idea but there were plenty of signs that he may have been a paedo. It's also reasonable to assume that some false allegations may have been brought up against him to extort money out of him. Both could be true at the same time.

So? Just because he didn't molest Macaulay Caulkin (a massive celebrity at the time) doesn't mean he couldn't have touched any of the other countless, non-famous children he had access to.


Not watching the whole video because tl;dr and the guy is annoying, but to address his first point about the pornography, this website goes into detail of the two books found locked in a filing cabinet in his bedroom, and it's a very disturbing and eye-opening read. This compounded with his strange fixation on adolescence and his inappropriate relationship with boys, I think, gives plenty cause for concern.

In his defense, he never molested Corey Feldman either, who was a victim of child sexual abuse and is notorious of accusing people in show business of being pedophiles. Of all people who'd be willing to jump on the accusation train, you'd think Feldman would be at the top of the list.

And yet, Feldman defended MJ and still does to this day.

Plus, if you were a gay pedophile in 1992, wanting to boink Maculay Culkin would be sort of like a straight man wanting to boink the big Hollywood starlets.

Looking through HIS childhood up to being an adult, he certainly had some suppressed trauma from being a child. That shit can affect anybody.

I doubt MJ was a pedophile. He just had a child spirit. A bit too much, granted. But trauma can affect anybody at any age.

Agreed. Michael Jackson was so traumatized by the abuse he went through growing up that it pretty much shattered his mind and he wanted to be a child and live this idealized storybook childhood that he never got.

I think MJ was a nutcase but he probably wasn't a pedo.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Amen to that. Personally, I think he was innocent but there's enough circumstantial evidence for both claims.



Pretty much. MJ was definitely molested as a kid and the abuse he suffered at the hands of Joe Jackson shattered his mind. With abuse victims, some become abusers themselves and others just shatter in other ways. I think MJ just was in a state of arrested development and mental regression.

There's a theory that Michael Jackson was a castrato and given how evil Joe Jackson was, I would not be surprised if that was the case. If he had no sex drive, then there is the question of why he had all those old porn magazines at his house.

@Dom Cruise brings up a good point with the theory that Jackson's mind was pretty much stuck at twelve or thirteen years old and he probably unironically was a fan of "naked people are funny" humor if he was a castrato and didn't see anything sexual in it beyond the crude humor angle.



In his defense, he never molested Corey Feldman either, who was a victim of child sexual abuse and is notorious of accusing people in show business of being pedophiles. Of all people who'd be willing to jump on the accusation train, you'd think Feldman would be at the top of the list.

And yet, Feldman defended MJ and still does to this day.

Plus, if you were a gay pedophile in 1992, wanting to boink Maculay Culkin would be sort of like a straight man wanting to boink the big Hollywood starlets.



Agreed. Michael Jackson was so traumatized by the abuse he went through growing up that it pretty much shattered his mind and he wanted to be a child and live this idealized storybook childhood that he never got.

I think MJ was a nutcase but he probably wasn't a pedo.

Like, usually with celebrities who get accused I can just go, “yeah I buy it” or, “that’s probably bs.”
With MJ, I can’t even begin to figure it all out. It’s just so absurdly crazy that I don’t think anyone really knows for certain what went down.

 

[Big Nasty]

I remember that in the years immediately prior to his death, MJ apparently had lots of cryptic dealings with rich magnates in the Saudi kingdom and the Gulf States. There was even speculation that he were about to convert to Islam.

 

[boofit]

The way he was portrayed playing with kids was to make him seem to be human, not distant.
Normally that was done by showing the (a) star partying with a number of girlfriends.
Here they (management, press) had to hide the fact that he was gay as fuck (this was the 80's, early 90's and it was not deemed wholesome nor was it helpful in reaching the goal of maximizing profits).
They did try some awkward female related media episodes but they went nowhere fast, he just could not play the part.
We had people like Tipper Gore in ascendancy who were trying to find "cultural" stuff to be outraged about so they could wield some (any) power/influence.
Yes progs wrote that book and keep reading from it.
So they paint this whole picture, he works with it and starts living in an amusement park.
Story after story of happy mj, happy children yada yada.
He had an enormous spending problem and at some point he must have ruffled more than a few feathers.
In comes the lugenpresse (this was the same time the progs were beating their drum where one of the goals was to drown out the fundamentalist christian groups who used to play that game and wield that power).
They work for the same masters as they ever did.

history repeating and repeating and repea

 

[Cyclonus]

Doesn't chemical castration mean you have to routinely keep taking medication or it stops working? Kind of like HRT

Well maybe Joe went the whole hog and actually cut his balls off.

 

[Inflatable Julay]

The fact that so many people who I know for certain do horrific shit to children regularly in the media attempt to paint him as a monster seems to imply that he was, at the very least, "less guilty" than the rest of them.

Yeah, and it's not just people in the media. Call MJ a sex molester in any reddit thread and you'll have people piling on you about how "HE WAS NEVER FOUND GUILTY!!!!!!" like that means anything in America.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

I'm inclined to say no but its really hard to give a definitive answer. MJ had an incredibly fucked up childhood, and it explains his strange behaviors. However, those kind've fucked up childhoods have also led to many child molesters.With that said, there's really no evidence that he actually did anything, and the people who have accused him have motive to lie and contradict themselves. Its for this reason that I'm more inclined to say he was innocent, and his trauma just led to him being a broken man rather than a pedophile. The whole case is just incredibly weird however, so I can't write off the possibility that he was a creep entirely. I lean towards innocence but can't deal in absolutes with such a weird case.

 

[Nointey]

I doubt it as there is some weird ass statements in the Leaving Neverland Documentry

More Specifically is when the mother said it celebrated his death yet it didnt know about the said MJ Moondiddling until 2013 about 3 years after MJ's death

 

[seri0us]

I doubt it as there is some weird ass statements in the Leaving Neverland Documentry

More Specifically is when the mother said it celebrated his death yet it didnt know about the said MJ Moondiddling until 2013 about 3 years after MJ's death

"it"?

 

[Nointey]

"it"?

Its pennywise

 

[Enjoy_the_Soylence]

I'm baffled so many people think he's innocent. I guess his weirdness worked as a mask. 'I'm the harmless effete with the soul of a child. I couldn't do no harm, hee hee.' I don't buy a word of it. I think any parent who let their kid alone with him endangered them. Saying that, I believe the celebs who say he didn't molest them. Pedos don't molest all children all the time. If he was smart, he diddled the penniless or dying kids, not the child stars with a national audience.

 

[RollerGator]

I'm baffled so many people think he's innocent. I guess his weirdness worked as a mask. 'I'm the harmless effete with the soul of a child. I couldn't do no harm, hee hee.' I don't buy a word of it. I think any parent who let their kid alone with him endangered them. Saying that, I believe the celebs who say he didn't molest them. Pedos don't molest all children all the time. If he was smart, he diddled the penniless or dying kids, not the child stars with a national audience.

The MJ apologists make more sense when you think about how a majority of the population are retards with no internal monologue.

"Dude he just had a fucked up childhood!" Like that wouldn't lead to him being a pedo.

 

[XYZpdq]

I can see the idea that he was just a freak that didn't understand why sleeping with kids wasn't cool who needed to be kept away from kids because he was just a freak, but I recall investigators saying he had specific alarms on the hallway leading into his special child-entertaining bedroom so I can see that he was fucking them even if the loudest couple of guys have been debunked (but not the many others).
and just because he didn't rape Corey Feldman and The Home Alone Kid doesn't mean he didn't rape other kids
sounds more like they're just jelly they didn't get the HEEE HOOO

 

[Bibendum]

I've done a ton of research on this case, and no, I don't believe he did. MJ was indisputably a weirdo, but he was also the victim of a highly motivated, malicious prosecution and a bunch of scammers looking for big payouts. His story is pretty fucking tragic, and his legacy is forever marred by the fact that much of public will uncritically believe the abuse allegations, no matter how sketchy a rigorous examination of the facts reveals them to be.

but to address his first point about the pornography, this website goes into detail of the two books found locked in a filing cabinet in his bedroom, and it's a very disturbing and eye-opening read.

It's been a while, but when I was reading up on the case I found the author of the "mjfacts" site very biased in his presentation of the facts. MJ had an absolutely tremendous private library, which is where at least one of the books in question was actually recovered from IIRC -- and while creepy, two volumes of famous art photography out of an entire library collection doesn't amount to much. One was also clearly sent to him by a fan, who even inscribed the book with a note and signature. The FBI admits that no CP (or even particularly obscene adult porn) was found in his residence, so I think the "omg but the books!" claim the site author makes is just more grasping at straws.

 

[BarelyLegalGreta]

I'm baffled so many people think he's innocent. I guess his weirdness worked as a mask. 'I'm the harmless effete with the soul of a child. I couldn't do no harm, hee hee.'

I mean that was literally his defense for the first pedo trial.

As for the FBI, what's the chances he could have paid them off.

As for the porn, unless we have exact copies of all of it I doubt he had it around just to laugh. Which bring me to my next point what sort of porn mags did you buy where the stuff was comical?

Beyond all that, let's imagine he actually was stuck as a child, instead of just on the inside but the outside too. What sort of boy doesnt sometimes hang with girls. I'm sure if they let him come out of the closet it might have helped things. I know when I was 7 i was already crushing on the opposite sex. And according to stories from when i was younger i was blatantly hetero in action before then.

Maybe it's a chemical castration thing, but I highly doubt even those dont hang out with women ever. Michael clearly understood the need for a woman when it came to his music videos and performances. He wanted a movie career. Even Peter pan has a Wendy; he couldn't have found some woman to be his damsel in distress?

Is Michael fucked up? Yes. But it's hard to believe he was a unique starchild when it's way more probable that he was basically like every other famous gay man. Also if he just wanted to be around and protect kids, he could easily do that a whole bunch of ways beyond sitting in a private house away from the parents. Fucking hell, how many of you were allowed to have friends over when your parents were away? I bet it's a lot less than you think, and from the huge amount of podcasts I've heard, when kids hang out together and parent supervision is miles away it leads to molestation most of the time

 

[RollerGator]

I mean that was literally his defense for the first pedo trial.

As for the FBI, what's the chances he could have paid them off.

As for the porn, unless we have exact copies of all of it I doubt he had it around just to laugh. Which bring me to my next point what sort of porn mags did you buy where the stuff was comical?

Beyond all that, let's imagine he actually was stuck as a child, instead of just on the inside but the outside too. What sort of boy doesnt sometimes hang with girls. I'm sure if they let him come out of the closet it might have helped things. I know when I was 7 i was already crushing on the opposite sex. And according to stories from when i was younger i was blatantly hetero in action before then.

Maybe it's a chemical castration thing, but I highly doubt even those dont hang out with women ever. Michael clearly understood the need for a woman when it came to his music videos and performances. He wanted a movie career. Even Peter pan has a Wendy; he couldn't have found some woman to be his damsel in distress?

Is Michael fucked up? Yes. But it's hard to believe he was a unique starchild when it's way more probable that he was basically like every other famous gay man. Also if he just wanted to be around and protect kids, he could easily do that a whole bunch of ways beyond sitting in a private house away from the parents. Fucking hell, how many of you were allowed to have friends over when your parents were away? I bet it's a lot less than you think, and from the huge amount of podcasts I've heard, when kids hang out together and parent supervision is miles away it leads to molestation most of the time

According to his ex, they attempted sex and he fake orgasmed. He'd also leave panties on the floor so the maids would think they had a sex life.

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