Digital Camera discussion - whats the best quality, whats a meme, whats netflix using or your favorite streamers? whats the best digital images you've seen and do they beat film yet?

Kramer on the phone · Jul 31, 2022

i recently heard someone shit on the blackmagic ursa cameras, their colors are shitty, the frame rates are off, the camera is jittery. i'm a retard when it comes to this so i believe the marketing, so i was impressed that industry people don't like these cheap high frame rate cameras.

odds are there are people here that can give their expert opinions on digital cameras

Lone Dogma · Jul 31, 2022

I know Black Magic are working on an IMAX camera that has the same resolution as IMAX film, although IMAX have yet to approve it for use.

Null · Aug 7, 2024

Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

Bukke Bruse · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

We still use these at my work place (5 years +) and can't recall a time where we had issues with it.

y a t s · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

A good handheld camera is easy to find just about anywhere these days, but the audio is a different story. You should do a separate mic like a handheld recorder. See if you can get something like a Zoom H5 or something comparable used. Music stores rent them out for a reasonable price, but your mileage may vary overseas. I think the handheld recorder route is best because you don't have to worry about trying to plug all the audio shit into whatever camera you end up choosing. If you're doing it live, they let you plug them in via USB to use like an audio interface, so you can grab the feed from the mics.

Edit: The Zoom handhelds are pretty retard proof. It just records to an SD, and the model I linked to can do backup recordings at lower levels in case you accidentally clip.

lol cow supreme · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

Without additional requirements, under $500:
-Easiest plop it down and it works Logitech Connect Portable ConferenceCam https://www.logitech.com/en-us/prod...cameras/connect-conferencecam.960-001013.html
Does not do face tracking

-Best for on top of your monitor if its just one person at a time talking, OSBOT Tiny. Great AI face tracking if you walk around the room a bit etc

https://www.obsbot.com/store/products/tiny-2

If you need to see the entire conference room, the Jabra Panacast is excellent, pricey, and needs separate Jabra audio devices. If you were installing a high-end permanent conference room this would be the pick. No link, probably not what you want.

All other recommendations are going to be over $1500

Vecr · Aug 7, 2024

y a t s said:
Music stores rent them out for a reasonable price, but your mileage may vary overseas.

Null's requirement is for the US, correct?

Bukke Bruse said:
We still use these at my work place (5 years +) and can't recall a time where we had issues with it.

How idiot proof is the focusing on these?

Bukke Bruse · Aug 7, 2024

Vecr said:
How idiot proof is the focusing on these?

I'm not technical at all, just use the default settings

The cam is "plug & play " and I / we just let it do its thing. But the cam once pointed at a person adjusts decently IMO. But all I say is anecdotally and my standard isn't super high while at work.

But you can find old reviews of the thing

balupton · Aug 7, 2024

For Nulls question, the insta360's have livestreaming built in, and can also attach wireless or wired microphones (insta360 x4, what I have, has livestreaming, and can be used charging with or without battery, and doesn't overheat). GoPro probably also has such features, however I use to have the Hero 7 Black and MAX and had nothing but issues with them (overheating, poor battery life, difficult tedious exports, crappy app, etc), so moved to Insta360 which is where all the innovation that I care about seems to be happening; not sure if gopro is better now. However, a smartphone in airplane mode (to prevent calls dropping the recording) with mic attachment would also be fine.

For general advice on cameras, the main thing is deciding between photos vs videos. Unfortunately the people who like photos dominate YouTube, and trying to find any advice about cameras for story telling is nearly non existent except for a handful of Fujifilm fans.

My suspicion for why this is, is because if you are socially driven and skilled enough to record narrative films, YouTube videos aren't your scene and you'll actually be working in film, which happens to have huge budgets.

This leaves youtube reviews as autistic social rejects who fail for narratives and get obsessed over meaningless stats and grip feel and camera aesthetics, rather than if the photo actually tells a story.

Furthermore, the photo scene is all about contract work as a wedding photographer, product photographer, and all sorts of other disappear into the abyss activities. You even have such awkward YouTube videos from them on how to do covert street photography as they are too socially awkward to do it naturally.

It's a huge rabbit hole.

I'll add my shopping list and notes for deciding on a camera for film in the spoiler below. These notes were done around Jan 2024. There is now a Fuji XS20 camera, which is what I've decided on and saving for, it is a budget/non-pro variant of the XH2S.

Cameras

Canon and Sony doesn't have the look I want - too netflix -- too crisp

Hasselbad has a crisp nice look (think Crosscurrents film), but not as nice as Fujifilm (think Taiwan films)

Panasonic has that oldschool low quality but cinematic vibe, like a b-grade fantastic horror drama film

Arri so many films I love are shot with Arri

Arri, Fujifilm > Hasselbad > Panasonic, iPhone 15 Pro Max > Canon, Sony, Nikon, Red, Blackmagic

Arri hella expensive and complex, need videographer to get desired result

Fuji affordable for where I'm at

iPhone okay for short film experiments and vlogging, but not good for timeless shots, as has iphone look - iphone also kicks canon, sony, nikon, etc ass - same clarity

So summary: Fujifilm for proper shots, iphone 15 pro max for everything else

https://www.digidirect.com.au/fujifilm-x-h2s

$3,325.00

$44.54 per week

https://www.digidirect.com.au/fujifilm-x-t5-body-black

$2,449.00

$29.77 per week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OiyvwFsGd0 xh2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZNV9nOUQnw x100vi - amazing, but not magical enough for film

Sources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbGg4rMKVfU - amazing xt5 tutorial, xt line primarily for photo, xh line primarily for video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l1NJrizyD0 - amazing fuji tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1SVH3052sQ - fuji compared to fuji - xh2s > xt5/xt4 > xt3 > xh1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwBx2JtCERg - fuji vs nikon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OORHw-kD5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iwmw_xbyhc

https://youtu.be/RwadHc-DWRc?feature=shared&t=1310 - photos review, they prefer hassel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xpFfVZJHE - photos review, they prefer hassel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VezP9UYWvZM - hassel, cannot stand it

https://youtu.be/RwrZLeKp9SE?feature=shared - hassel, meh, hate it

https://youtu.be/5KYxGa4Seq0?feature=shared - fuji but uploaded to youtube with terrible quality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHArtd9Kt-8 - arri vs fuji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzFQj48b_EA - arri

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cuuy7JpWXs - fuji, perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqUUIOwU2bA - sony but good message - show up everyday even if you don't know how - instead of hoping you are doing the right thing, make it the right thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqaH9lmMouk - fuji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfArDACyI2U - fuji

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojOkDwQTSo - iphone 15 pro max, has iphone look...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WabRd3RvmEU - has iphone look, great though for short films. vlogging, etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOYuprydC8A - fuji vs iphone, fuji has that timeless cinematic look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ny1jIcUi4I - iphone falls apart at blue light hour, compared against everything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1unmE6OlYM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZiY0_GWBA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkTZHNFmUA - has the iphone look... but again, good for experiments and vlogging

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRkTZHNFmUA - great iphone 15 pro max tutorial for amazing night filming with custom lenses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSBDPRMC1gY - iphone 15 pro max cannot film log more than 30fps, next gen will probably be fine - great lut/log tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTvQgfTG_sU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7t4anmMGhQ - iphone outdoor look, good for vlogging and experiments, not timeless film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN_zkpV52J0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojOkDwQTSo - that iphone look, apple pretending it is good for film, no way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXQ8hGCAs4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcS1AsvZino and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQaibnF_x_A and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F9hoWSAX5w and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd_LmXNBz5w and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GpZ4Xl02s - film with that silly stupid iphone look, cannot take any of it seriously, looks like a joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxVGdZJNr-E - how ot actually make the iphone footage llook ok for film

lol cow supreme · Aug 7, 2024

Wait I'm retarded just re-read. You want a stand alone camera, not a conferencing camera, to record like a camcorder. I'm retarded.

Just buy a go-pro. Thousands of creators shoot all their content on them, audio and all. You can even bluetooth microphones to them if you're wanting to be even more particular on the audio. Swap out your memory cards for unlimited recording if plugged in. $350

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1787886-REG/gopro_chdrb_121_rw_hero12_black_holiday_bundle.html

You can get near 180 degree view angle with a $100 lense add on

https://gopro.com/en/us/shop/mounts-accessories/max-lens-mod-2/ADWAL-002.html

Also may I suggest- used android phone? Why does it have to be CAMERA?

Null · Aug 7, 2024

I'm not looking for a webcam. It's a camera on a tripod with a mic that somehow streams to the Internet. It needs to sit in the Cuck Corner and pick up everything. We're just going to use a phone if there's no actual improvement over that.

anionfarflung · Aug 7, 2024

I'm guessing this is for streaming Nick's court case from inside the court room. If I am right, what would be good?

Null · Aug 7, 2024

anionfarflung said:
I'm guessing this is for streaming Nick's court case from inside the court room. If I am right, what would be good?

yes mate. we're not leering in through the window.

RotPockets · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

Null said:
I'm not looking for a webcam. It's a camera on a tripod with a mic that somehow streams to the Internet. It needs to sit in the Cuck Corner and pick up everything. We're just going to use a phone if there's no actual improvement over that.

Would any of these spy glasses work for you, in combination with a dedicated audio recorder?

10 Secret Spy Glasses for Ultimate Hidden Vision in 2024

The 4K spy glasses one don’t have a mic which is why I mentioned an audio recorder. A dedicated audio device could potentially provide better results than a built in one. Spy glasses with a parabolic microphone like this.

However I don’t think this setup would be able to stream live, only record the proceedings.

You could instead get a decent camera (Sony Alpha ZVE10 II ) off Amazon and return it after you’re done. Maybe find a camera that can facilitate an omnidirectional microphone attachment if this one doesn’t.

Sony Alpha ZVE10 II - APS-C Interchangeable Lens Mirrorless Content Creators’ Camera

This is the type of omnidirectional mic I’m referring to.

Deity V-Mic D4 Duo Dual Capsule Cardioid Microphone Camera-Mount Shotgun Mic with Rycote Shockmount for DSLR Camcorder Smartphone

Have the camera, tripod and mic shipped overnight to your intermediary then have them drop it off at UPS for a refund when done. I’ve done this several times for things I only need temporarily, like a hard drive case to migrate data to a new drive, and never had an issue. Just make sure you pick something fulfilled by Amazon to get it overnight and be able to return it at UPS without a box or label.

Sources:
Camera - The 6 Best Cameras For YouTube - Summer 2024
Microphone - 7 Best Action Camera Microphone Attachments in 2024

AltisticRight · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Can someone suggest a quality camera with a front mic that can record a conference room with adequate sound quality? I don't want to spend everything on this but it needs to be adequate.

Must be retard proof.

Thanks

Do you have a quality smartphone?
Get a DJI Osmo Mobile 6 and a decent mic. Mount the phone on and play with it for a day or two to understand its functions.
That would maybe run you around $200-$250. Contrary to what paid shills on YouTube would tell you, phone videos are solid these days. You can just return the gimbal after using it too.

Null said:
I'm not looking for a webcam. It's a camera on a tripod with a mic that somehow streams to the Internet. It needs to sit in the Cuck Corner and pick up everything. We're just going to use a phone if there's no actual improvement over that.

>Tripod
In this case, just get the cheapest tripod and one of those phone mounts.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...cp/4900+8310+8159+2635?sort=PRICE_LOW_TO_HIGH
Mount the phone in this.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1249637-REG/xuma_mta_300b_smartphone_mount.html

See that thread on the top?
Get a 1/4 inch set screw from the hardware shop.
Mount something like this on: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1716539-REG/cimapro_b_23_mini_tripod_ball.html

Someone can recommend a microphone, mount the microphone on that and you can adjust it.

This entire setup shouldn't cost more than $150.

Rock Eater · Aug 7, 2024

@Null

SONY Alpha ZV-E10 or Sony ZV-1 both are streaming capable cameras with great mics made for idiot vlogger.

Null · Aug 7, 2024

Rock Eater said:
@Null
SONY Alpha ZV-E10 or Sony ZV-1 both are streaming capable cameras with great mics made for idiot vlogger.

Would they capture a room audio though

Rock Eater · Aug 7, 2024

Null said:
Would they capture a room audio though

A whole conference room ? Definitely.
If you have problems. The camera has gain control for the microphone. The Zv-E10 has a separate Mic input as well.
Both cameras have a headphone jacks so you can monitor your audio.

You should also consider the power needs and the storage issue. Both of the cameras can run consistently off a good USB power supply.

If you end up having to record in a whole courtroom, I really suggest you get a separate shotgun mic that can attach to the camera

Rock Eater · Aug 8, 2024

You could get the sony ECM-B10 which will slot into the zv-e10 directly without you having to wire it up.

anionfarflung · Aug 8, 2024

Did no one want to at least give a ChatBot a go, even if just for a starting place in research?

Prompt: "Recommend a good camera and microphone setup for streaming a court case from inside the courtroom. Include suggestions from the very inexpensive to the moderately expensive."

When streaming a court case from inside the courtroom, it’s important to choose equipment that offers reliability, clear video and audio quality, and ease of use. Here’s a range of camera and microphone setups from very inexpensive to moderately expensive options:

Very Inexpensive Setup

Camera: Logitech C920 HD Pro Webcam

Resolution: 1080p Full HD
Features: Autofocus, light correction, built-in stereo microphones
Price: Around $70

Microphone: Fifine USB Microphone (K669B)

Type: Condenser USB microphone
Features: Plug-and-play, volume control knob, cardioid pattern for clear audio
Price: Around $30

Budget-Friendly Setup

Camera: Canon Vixia HF R800

Resolution: 1080p Full HD
Features: 57x advanced zoom, optical image stabilization, external microphone input
Price: Around $250

Microphone: Audio-Technica ATR2100x-USB

Type: Dynamic USB/XLR microphone
Features: Dual USB/XLR connectivity, cardioid pattern, built-in headphone jack
Price: Around $100

Moderately Expensive Setup

Camera: Panasonic Lumix G7

Resolution: 4K UHD
Features: Interchangeable lenses, Wi-Fi connectivity, external microphone input
Price: Around $600

Microphone: Rode NT-USB

Type: Condenser USB microphone
Features: Pop shield, tripod desk stand, ring mount, USB cable
Price: Around $170

Additional Equipment

Regardless of the setup you choose, consider the following additional equipment to enhance your streaming quality:

Tripod: Ensure steady shots with an adjustable tripod. Example: AmazonBasics 60-Inch Lightweight Tripod ($30).
Lighting: Proper lighting improves video quality. Example: Neewer Ring Light Kit ($100).
Audio Interface (for XLR microphones): To connect XLR microphones to your computer. Example: Focusrite Scarlett Solo ($120).
Capture Card: If using a DSLR or camcorder. Example: Elgato Cam Link 4K ($130).

Summary

Very Inexpensive Setup: Logitech C920 HD Pro Webcam + Fifine USB Microphone (K669B)
Budget-Friendly Setup: Canon Vixia HF R800 + Audio-Technica ATR2100x-USB
Moderately Expensive Setup: Panasonic Lumix G7 + Rode NT-USB

These setups offer a range of options depending on your budget and requirements, ensuring clear and professional streams of courtroom proceedings.

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SONY Alpha ZV-E10 or Sony ZV-1 both are streaming capable cameras with great mics made for idiot vlogger.​

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Very Inexpensive Setup​

Budget-Friendly Setup​

Moderately Expensive Setup​

Additional Equipment​

Summary​

@Null

SONY Alpha ZV-E10 or Sony ZV-1 both are streaming capable cameras with great mics made for idiot vlogger.

@Null

SONY Alpha ZV-E10 or Sony ZV-1 both are streaming capable cameras with great mics made for idiot vlogger.

Very Inexpensive Setup

Budget-Friendly Setup

Moderately Expensive Setup

Additional Equipment

Summary