Discourse is dead forever and whoever is the funniest will win the future

[Null]

Someone brought up Sargon to me and after thinking about why he sucks so bad I came to a realization that I believe is worth preserving.

The reason why Sargon sucks so bad is that he's a demagogue. His audience of low IQ demagogues will be the cringey boomer uncle of the future, posting shitty garbage memes on 2070 Facebook while everyone else ignores him. What convinces those people he is smart is simply that he's memorized a lot. That's why he obsesses over history and shit like Locke. That's why all cringe atheists constantly rehearse centuries dead arguments about "if god is good why is there evil blah blah blah".

When was the last time you watched a debate? Fucking never, unless it's a "debate" and you're just watching people yell at each other for fun. The political GOP/DNC debates are basically just Internet Bloodsports for boomers. People yelling at each other.

In the era of information, you'd think everyone would just know the truth by now but that's not the case. Presumably, the truth is out there, for all societal issues, but it's muddied and muddied primarily by the fact no one cares what the truth is. We all have our truth and we all memorize our arguments and at the end of the day we feel we know what's right and wrong and that's good enough for us. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. The reason Sargon/Atheist cringelords are cringelords now when they weren't at during The Amazing Atheist's peak was how new their ideas were. Now everyone's an atheist and we all know everything they know; harping on it now is just bullying religious people.

The 'rise of the right' everyone is freaking out about is actually just the rise of comedy. Hitler and the n-word and all sorts of anti-intellectual shit like climate change denial, anti-vaccines, whatever is due to the fact that that side is really funny and tramples all over things we previously established as sacred in the 2000s and grew reverent of in the 2010s.

Ben Shapiro built an entire career DEMOLISHING libtards with gotcha moments, and that's really mostly on the right, because the left prescribes to a sort of intellectualism that mandates taking things seriously and not using 'ad whateverthefucks' in arguments.

Though with the anti-porn pro-state rhetoric growing now, I think the pendulum is going to swing again. The anti-intellectualism is getting to a point where it is stepping on the toes of people in the same way that the left had before, and the tide of demand for personal freedom conflicts with the most prominent influencers on the right. If you started loving Hitler because he was going to put the SJWs in labor camps you might start looking at other potential policies and wonder "how does this benefit me?" when you're not in on the joke

tl;dr i'm sleepy goodnight

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

but humor is dead too

 

[Eryngium]

Nighty night, don’t let the bed bugs bite

 

[NIGGO KILLA]

the meek have inherited the earth!

 

[francesco]

When was it exactly that discourse was alive? Even in Socrates' Athens all those Greek philosopher you read about were bickering over nonsense and flinging gotchas at each other.
With that said, human stupidity does actually have it's limits. There's only so far you can get with vapid rhetoric and irony poisoned memes.

 

[WeWuzFinns]

Who ever has the most power and influence will win in the future as they always have. Arguments don't matter money does.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

This has been happening forever though. Literally since public discourse has been recorded. Diogenes was a cringey edgelord but he forever BTFO Plato over how to describe a man in the smallest amount of words. Plato said "fatherless biped" so diogenes brought a plucked chicken and yelled before the audience "behold, Plato's man!"

Nobody cares about that lecture at all or whatever Plato had to say or what his point was, all that will ever be remembered is "Diogenes blew Plato the fuck out lmao" and that's what the Greeks thought, too.

Moving forward in time to the Salem Witch Trials when Giles Corey refused to testify so they stacked rocks on top of him one by one until he would eventually give up and testify. Every time they asked if he was ready to repent he just said "more weight." Eventually he died. Nobody cares what the actual arguments for or against witchcraft or religious law or any of that, but people do remember the "more weight" dude.

Nothing is new under the sun.

Anyway that's my two cents.

 

[Shaved Kiwis]

This is down to evolving technology and communication methods. People talk less and less everyday. You no longer need to call businesses to find info or order things. You can do everything via texts and email. And most importantly with the rise of social media and dumb algorithms that feed us what we want it is much easier to fall down echo chambers both in terms of being fed content that confirms our biases and having the people that we talk to be filtered to fit our ideals.

 

[An Ghost]

tragedy and comedy are two sides of the same coin

 

[Icasaracht]

Someone brought up Null to me and after thinking about why he sucks so bad I came to a realization that I believe is worth preserving.

The reason why Null sucks so bad is that he's a drama-cow. His Kiwis of low IQ spergs will be the cringey boomer aunts of the future, shit-posting garbage E-thot trivia on 2070 Threads while everyone else ignores them. What convinces those people he is smart is simply that he's shit-posted a lot. That's why he obsesses over lolcows and shit like Chris Chan. That's why all cringe moralfags constantly rehearse centuries dead arguments about "if doxxing is okay why are there suicides blah blah blah".

When was the last time you watched a good thread? Fucking never, unless it's a "thread" and you're just watching people rate each other for feels. The Deep Thoughts threads are basically just TikTok for millennials. People rating each other.

In the era of information, you'd think everyone would just know the truth by now but that's not the case. Presumably, the truth is out there, for all societal issues, but it's muddied and muddied primarily by the fact no one cares what the truth is. We all have our truth and we all memorize our arguments and at the end of the day we feel we know what's right and wrong and that's good enough for us. Everyone else can go fuck themselves. The reason Null/Kiwifarms' cringelords are cringelords now when they weren't at during CWCki peak was how new their ideas were. Now everyone's a cow and we all know everything they do; harping on it now is just bullying eccentric people.

The 'rise of the doxxers' everyone is freaking out about is actually just the rise of comedy. Sargon and the n-word and all sorts of anti-intellectual shit like race realism, Brexit, whatever is due to the fact that that side is really funny and tramples all over things we previously established as sacred in the 2000s and grew reverent of in the 2010s.

Jordan Peterson built an entire career DEMOLISHING trannies with gotcha moments, and that's really mostly on the farms, because the white knights prescribe to a sort of intellectualism that mandates taking things seriously and not using 'ad whateverfucks' in arguments.

Though with the anti-dox pro-censorship rhetoric growing now, I think the pendulum is going to swing again. The anti-intellectualism is getting to a point where it is stepping on the toes of people in the same way that the Kiwis had before, and the tide of demand for personal freedom conflicts with the most prominent influencers on the internet. If you started loving Null because he was going to put the autists on Kiwi farms you might start looking at other potential policies and wonder "how does this benefit me?" when you're not in on the joke

tl;dr i'm exceptional goodnight

 

[Nobunaga]

Did you wait to play mgs 2 until now?

 

[The Cunting Death]

All I know is that the world is a shitshow and I'm just sitting in the sidelines eating my popcorn, enjoying this trainwreck

 

[The Fool]

Well, as The Mysterious Stranger says, in summery, "Laughter is the ultimate weapon, stronger than any bomb, but do people use it? No." It's not new to critique a culture of being too serious and how feeble they are against the nigh-unstoppable force of laughter. People believing they're right just by repeating phrases isn't new either, I mean, just look at every political ideology that ever existed, especially communist ones.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Also whoever gets made loses.

 

[Mike Stoklasa]

but humor is dead too

butt humor will never die

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

but humor is dead too

Humor is dead and we killed Him.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Calling someone a Nigger is only insulting because you let it be insulting.

A nigger isn't any different than calling someone an idiot. A Nigger is someone who lacks higher functioning in their brain and only operates on simplistic pre-determined thought patterns like an animal or a robot.

"But but MUH HISTORY" you say, the root word of Nigger is the latin word Nigra which means black it was The Dutch who originally coined the original version of Nigger which meant black man. Are you really going to let this specter of Holland haunt your very dreams? The Slavery argument doesn't even hold up because it was a Slave MARKET. The Slave ships were the buyers and only bought the slaves (to later be resold) because the Africans themselves were selling. Africa didn't value human life the way the west does, africa still doesn't. They felt that you could exchange a human life for material goods because it was one less mouth to feed and one less possible problem removed from their society. The coastal slave markets drove the inland tribes and slave markets into bankrupcy because nobody wanted to set foot on africa due to malaria and other diseases.

So yes even considering the history of the word nigger, that argument doesn't even hold water.

So fuck off with your pearl clutching nigger.

 

[byuu]

In the era of information, you'd think everyone would just know the truth by now but that's not the case. Presumably, the truth is out there, for all societal issues, but it's muddied and muddied primarily by the fact no one cares what the truth is. We all have our truth and we all memorize our arguments and at the end of the day we feel we know what's right and wrong and that's good enough for us.

The problem is that there is no single truth to these issues.
Take a simple question like "How do we deal with poverty?".

Forget about answering it - how would you even judge how good the answer is?
There's no universal objective metric for this. Some will judge it on how cost-effective it is, some on how little taxes it needs, some on how much it will cut down poverty - damn the costs, etc..

To judge which one of those metrics is the best, we would have to answer how society should be run in general and what the perfect society would look like.
And there you have a complex mess of different moral values.
A totalitarian state controlled by a benevolent AI that maximises happiness sounds like paradise to some people. Some people want a world where you can freely buy anthrax to deal with your unruly child slaves. Others want society to be a perfect machine where everyone devotes everything towards a single unified cause. Normal people just have some vague idea of a society that balances all those different values in some way.

If we were living in the best possible run society - how would we even know?

 

[Slappy McGherkin]

"The truth is out there."

It is, but even when found, too many today can't handle the truth. It's inconvenient, it's often not politically correct, and it's likely sexist/racist/homophobic/whatever. These truths get conveniently swept under the carpet (or sugar-coated beyond belief to make them somewhat palatable) because nobody wants to deal with the instant social backlash of current year SJWs. This is why I abandoned all forms of social media (other than a couple of forums) a few years ago. People in numbers can perpetuate a belief or non-truth. Stupid people in numbers make that astonishingly worse.

Then you have idiots like Biden espousing "We choose truth over facts!" Anybody care to enlighten my dumbass as to what the difference between a "truth" and a "fact" is? I've always seen them as one and the same, or at the very least, being nearly synonymous in supporting each other.

Meh. I do mourn the loss of humor in today's society. The ability to laugh at one's self or even others over re.tarded nonsense has always kept me sane.

 

[Icasaracht]

You’re all a bunch of black Irishmen. Humor, is the one true anti-authoritarian tool that kicks every ideology or so-called “truth” in the groins.

Shit, here’s Shostakovich’s Babi Yar addressing the importance of humor during the rule of Stalin.

Dimitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 13 "Babi Yar": 2nd Movement - Humour, Allegretto

Humor (Lyrics in English.)

Tsars, kings, emperors,
Rulers of the world,
Commanded parades
But humor - humor they could not.
To the palaces of the eminent
Who, well groomed, all day reclined.

Came the vagabond Aesop
And before him all appeared impoverished.

In homes where a hypocrite left traces
Of his puny feet,

And this banality Hadji Nasr-ed-Din
Swept aside with his jokes like a chessboard.

They wanted to buy humor.

Only he cannot be bought!

They wanted to kill humor.

But humor thumbed his nose.

To battle him is tough business.
They executed him endlessly.

Humor's severed head
Was stuck on a warrior's pike.

Just when the buffoons' pipes
Would start their tale
He would brightly cry: "I'm here."

And would break into a dashing dance.

In a threadbare scanty coat,
Crestfallen and as if repenting,
Caught as a political prisoner
He would go to his execution.
His appearance displayed obedience,
Ready for his life hereafter,
When suddenly he would slip out of his coat
Waiving his hand

And bye-bye!

They hid humor in cells,
But like hell they succeeded.

Iron bars and stone walls
He would pass right through.
Cleaning his throat from the cold,
Like an ordinary soldier
He marched as a simple ditty
With a rifle for the Winter Palace.

He is used to stern glances,
But it does not hurt him.
And humor looks upon himself
At times with humor.

He is everlasting.
He is smart.
And nimble.

He will walk through everything and everybody.

And so, glory to humor!
He is a courageous fellow.