Discussing Solutions To The Maladies of the 2020s - Will the 2024 election really matter? Repercussions of Mass Vaccination. What should be done with Zoomers and Gen Alpha? Economic Depression? World War? And more...

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Regarding the 2024 Election and why I am never supporting DeSantis 2024 and am pretty much Trump 2024 Or Bust unless he dies of a heart attack or stroke from covid vaccine side effects.

There are multiple litmus tests, but my most favored is the issue of Election Fraud. The so-called "Biden-Harris Administration" was installed via unprecedented levels of fraud and therefore does not have the consent of the governed. Multiple Democrats in Congress, among these include Gary Peters (the 2020 Michigan Senate margin was very close) and Catherine Cortez-Masto (ditto for 2022 Nevada Senate race) also are illegitimate in their official role as legislators.

A non-negligible portion of DeSantis 2024 backers are in denial of this truth, either out of obliviousness or self-interest. They want to promote the narrative that 'extreme MAGA' candidates like Kari Lake were just genuinely out of step with the electorate, to imply that only establishment cuckolds can win and therefore that only figures who have for many years gotten along far too well with Democrats on key issues should be in power. They may even believe that enough fraud did happen to change the outcomes in multiple places, but foolishly back the idea that people like Kemp and Youngkin demonstrate that it can be 'overcome' by appealing to professional class cucks and wine moms, which is harder to do in a Presidential race - although I don't want to lengthen this post unnecessarily by going into detail about why that isn't a wise plan.

The point is: Too many DeSantis 2024 backers have sided with an illegitimate regime that does not have the consent of the governed, and which has also used their power (which relied in large part on the lie that they are entitled to this power, which DeSantis 2024 supporters give credence to by denying that the regime has no right to do what they do) to promote policies such as covid vaccine mandates, a defenseless border, multibillion dollar war escalation, which have all led to the deaths of Americans or at the very least endangers them greatly. Given that DeSantis 2024 backers have proven themselves to be too closely entwined with this illegitimate regime, and sides with them on the foundational issue of their lack of legitimacy, they are forever unworthy of support.

Yes, Trump 2024 and AnyRepublican 2024 may be futile unless certain plot twists save us from the fact that crucial battleground states like Pennsylvania and Arizona are riddled with fortification, but it is absolutely important that political figures point out the obvious truth that mass election fraud is real and therefore that Chomo Joe and co. never deserved the authority to do what they've done for the past two years.


Regarding The Repercussions of Mass Covid Vaccination

Trump certainly made a mistake in promoting the notion that they're safe, though in his case I'm confident he genuinely believes that they're safe like plenty of right-wing boomers tend to do. I don't believe DeSantis will be honest in addressing this issue, he's primarily beholden to the donors and I believe the recent hubbub about him taking a stance against covid vaccines is a distortion meant to dig into the anti-establishment vote, which won't play out well in the long run because the donors will make sure he doesn't get too spicy and they'll also make sure DeSantis will toe the establishment line on the Ukraine.

Now, many of you don't think it really matters who our political officeholders are, particularly on the most important issues, which I do think is has a lot of truth to it (I do think Trump is meaningfully different on foreign policy and border security; he is also anti-mandate), so I'll leave it at that. The rest of this thread won't mention elections and voting.

We've seen that more and more people are realizing they've been duped into injecting a harmful substance into their body. Yes, most who have taken the covid vaccines look fine on the surface at the very least, but who knows how many will

-Suffer the repercussions of immune system damage in the years to come
-Suffer the discomforts of chest pain and 'milder' non-lethal issues in the years to come
-Suffer from sudden deaths in the years to come

I believe this issue will not go away this decade. My big takeaway is this: Everyone aware of the problems with covid vaccines should *at the very least* do what's in their power to spread awareness of the issues. Here is what I've done

-I've injected mentions of people I know who took the covid vaccines who are suffering from chest pain and tinnitus, in IRL conversations and in casual online conversations
-I've injected mentions of the fact that a skinny 40 year old relative in California died of a heart attack soon after taking the covid vaccine, in IRL conversations and casual online conversations
-I've injected mentions of the fact that people's immune systems have been clearly worse in recent times, and that people should notice that surprise Cancer diagnoses may be connected to something that was injected

If the tens of millions of covid-vaccine-aware people in the USA and the many more in the rest of the world do what I've listed, worldwide awareness of the covid vaccine effects will increase. An added side-benefit will be that the various governments who imposed covid vaccine mandates will be viewed as malevolent organizations that coerced people into taking something that could kill them, and may kill them in the future. This will reduce the capacity of those governments to perpetuate more evil.

Regarding the fact that Zoomers and Alphas are fucked.

I'll try to keep this section shorter than the preceding ones because many of you are zoomers with shitty attention spans. Fuck, for all I know some kids reading this may be underage Gen Alphas born in the early 2010 who have spent even more time on Kiwifarms this year so far than I have.

Let's start with the neurologically deleterious effects that constant smartphone&computer&internet usage has wrought on kids who have been glued to them for most of their waking lives. This was going to be an issue pre-scamdemic, and it's going to be even more of an issue now given that Gen Z and Gen Alpha have spent almost three years mostly indoors, looking at screens.

I honest to God am not sure if we can meaningfully tackle this issue, other than letting them learn the hard way that all the mental illnesses they've obtained will create unprecedented issues for when they join the workforce. We're already suffering from mentally ill millennials dominating the professional class. At least many millennials born in the 1980s and early 1990s remember a time pre-smartphone. Imagine more people who are even *closer* in behavior to Chris Chan and Isabella Janke joining the workforce. I'm not saying they're almost identical to CWC and ILJ, but on average and at large they're going to make the rest of this decade a very hard time economically and sociologically, nevermind politically.

Personally, I've been on the Internet and on my phone *much less* than I've ever been. Psychologically I've been in a much better mood as a result, though I'll probably expound on that in another thread.

Regarding Economic Hard Times

I'll make this section even shorter. I think we need a second Great Depression and I hope that somehow an EMP attack and/or mass power outages happen so that Zoomers and Alphas are forced to go through a time where they can't use their smartphones and computers as crutches. We need to suffer a lot of pain in a shorter span of time to prevent longer prolonged pain. Is my take on this really shallow? Yep. If that scenario happened, would we all be in danger of being murdered in a Zoomer / Alpha chimpout? Yep (to be fair, older generations would also chimp out in this scenario).

Regarding Potential Escalation of International Armed Conflicts

I don't subscribe to the 'dissident right' sentiment that Russia and China are far superior in terms of their domestic and cultural situation compared to the West. But I also don't subscribe to the idea that Western Globohomo Hegemony is going to reign supreme for the rest of the decade. Yes, the Russo-Ukranian war is being successfully prolonged by western aid, but will that situation truly last for years on end? Especially given that conflicts will open up in other areas that will further strain the West's capacity for support?

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There is undoubtedly a lot more we should cover in this thread, like the repercussions of advanced in Virtual Reality and Artificial Intelligence, but I'll leave it at that for now - other people can feel free to talk about issues I haven't mentioned and what they think should be done about those issues. The 2020s will be an unprecedentedly difficult decade. I really got nothing other than "an unprecedented amount of people will become mentally ill and die earlier than they should've; the ones that don't die will generally make life harder for everyone else, but at least humanity itself will survive."
 
Well, you certainly lived up to your username. Here's my two cents.
  1. Election: Who cares what happens in the election? Trump already spent 4 years proving the US's managerial-bureaucratic class can ignore the president if it wants to.
  2. Zoomers: in the long run, being docile idiots may be a good thing. The investor class in the US is still wedded to the fantasy that they can reduce complex, intelligent work to a combination of processes and technological tools. In the software world, we have seen them grapple with this idea since the 1990s, and lose, and after each failure there has been a "flight to quality" (hiring skilled professionals).
    I can only hope that this time, they put all their chips on ChatGPT, and when it fails in 5 or 10 years, find that their policy of stupefying an entire generation (or two) has lead to an extreme shortage of competent people. Maybe then this benighted machine will break. Whoever comes next (generation Beta?) will grow up without its yoke on their necks.
 
I wish I could say I'm full-on Trump Train for the next primary. But my biggest issue with Trump running a third time is that he has too much baggage now. They'll straight-up assassinate him if he gets anywhere within striking distance of the White House again.

I also think him going after DeSantis, his heir apparent, is uncalled for. This divide and-conquer bullshit is exactly what they want.

Conservatives need to stick together. MAGA is about just that: Make America Great Again. It will die if it remains just a cult of personality around Trump. It needs to grow beyond him. (And there are signs of that; greenhorns like Josh Hawley and JD Vance show promise).

DeSantis isn't perfect, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Shitlibs are arguably more scared of him, because he's basically Trump with a power level. Trump has tried to be conciliatory with the Rainbow Mafia, while DeSantis has given them numerous legislative Fuck Yous.

I haven't made up my mind yet; I'll see how Trump is doing a year or so from now, when primary season kicks off. (And last year's cycle wore me out. I need respite from politics for now).
 
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Spoiler Alert: You can't fix this at the ballot box.

Democracy and freedom are incompatible long term. As you increase the voter base the government is required to grow larger and less efficient to respond to the varied stakeholders, who then use their newfound power to remove more freedoms from others. It's an endless cycle down the toilet.

The solution begins with widespread support of accelerationism. The quicker the turd gets flushed, the sooner something proper can be rebuilt. The more time and effort spent trying to fix an unfixable system, the bigger the waste and the longer it will take to correct.

Yarvin has some decent ideas for a new system. Would need some further fleshing out. Dugin has also put forth a very loose framework for what comes next. Either way, this Neolib/Neocon nexus is headed for the trashbin of history.
 
I wish I could say I'm full-on Trump Train for the next primary. But my biggest issue with Trump running a third time is that he has too much baggage now. They'll straight-up assassinate him if he gets anywhere within striking distance of the White House again.

I also think him going after DeSantis, his heir apparent, is uncalled for. This divide and-conquer bullshit is exactly what they want.

Conservatives need to stick together. MAGA is about just that: Make America Great Again. It will die if it remains just a cult of personality around Trump. It needs to grow beyond him. (And there are signs of that; greenhorns like Josh Hawley and JD Vance show promise).

DeSantis isn't perfect, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Shitlibs are arguably more scared of him, because he's basically Trump with a power level. Trump has tried to be conciliatory with the Rainbow Mafia, while DeSantis has given them numerous legislative Fuck Yous.

I haven't made up my mind yet; I'll see how Trump is doing a year or so from now, when primary season kicks off. (And last year's cycle wore me out. I need respite from politics for now).

Yes, becuase who Republicans vote for should be determined by Democrat slime machines, RINO backstabbers and literal glowniggers. Why even have an election? Just give it to Biden now.
 
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I wish I could say I'm full-on Trump Train for the next primary. But my biggest issue with Trump running a third time is that he has too much baggage now. They'll straight-up assassinate him if he gets anywhere within striking distance of the White House again.

I also think him going after DeSantis, his heir apparent, is uncalled for. This divide and-conquer bullshit is exactly what they want.

Conservatives need to stick together. MAGA is about just that: Make America Great Again. It will die if it remains just a cult of personality around Trump. It needs to grow beyond him. (And there are signs of that; greenhorns like Josh Hawley and JD Vance show promise).

DeSantis isn't perfect, but don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Shitlibs are arguably more scared of him, because he's basically Trump with a power level. Trump has tried to be conciliatory with the Rainbow Mafia, while DeSantis has given them numerous legislative Fuck Yous.

I haven't made up my mind yet; I'll see how Trump is doing a year or so from now, when primary season kicks off. (And last year's cycle wore me out. I need respite from politics for now).
I disagree, mostly. Too many things in Desantis’s most recent plays stink; and he has the explicit backing of the people that made the GOP into the rotting corpse we see today. If McConnell and Ryan all but endorsing the guy before he’s even announced doesn’t make you a wee bit suspicious, I don’t know what to tell you.

Sure the perfect is the enemy of the good. The point of contention is what exactly is a good. You’d argue unity with some culture war posturing, and I’d argue going for the fucking throat.
 
slime machines, RINO backstabbers and literal glowniggers.
Sounds like all those "only the best people" that Trump picked for his cabinet, only for them to betray him.
You’d argue unity with some culture war posturing, and I’d argue going for the fucking throat.
There's a difference between "going for the throat" and "flailing your arms like a mongoloid while running in your enemy's direction."
 
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Sounds like all those "only the best people" that Trump picked for his cabinet, only for them to betray him.

There's a difference between going for the throat and flailing your arms like a mongoloid while running in your enemy's direction.
Lessons learned. I’m just concerned about if they wouldn’t do the exact same thing and he’d say “aw shucks” instead of raging at them for being shitters. The people that’ve done that since my parents were in high school are in his corner after all.


I get it, I really do, and I’m sorry if I’m coming off as pithy when I don’t mean to. Your concerns about Trump being a blowhard are legitimate, but if DeSantis is anything close to what people are concerned about (and we’re right to be at least a hit concerned) then he’ll get us nowhere.
 
Lessons learned. I’m just concerned about if they wouldn’t do the exact same thing and he’d say “aw shucks” instead of raging at them for being shitters. The people that’ve done that since my parents were in high school are in his corner after all.
I understand.
I get it, I really do, and I’m sorry if I’m coming off as pithy when I don’t mean to. Your concerns about Trump being a blowhard are legitimate, but if DeSantis is anything close to what people are concerned about (and we’re right to be at least a hit concerned) then he’ll get us nowhere.
No offense taken, fren. We have the same goals, we just disagree on how to reach them.
 
Sounds like all those "only the best people" that Trump picked for his cabinet, only for them to betray him.

There's a difference between "going for the throat" and "flailing your arms like a mongoloid while running in your enemy's direction."
"Okay massa, I won't vote for the bad orange man just like you tole me to." Can't wait till it dawns on you when the bullshit machine is turned on DeSantis and now he's the new Super Hitler who must be stopped at all costs. These people did stuff like invent fake rape accusations against a ridiculously straight laced SCOTUS canddiate with a spotless background, and you think Trump's at fault for all that bullshit the media and the FBI invented?

Fine, you know what if DeSantis beats Trump in a primary, I promise I'll stay home and not vote. I'm not going to help the side of cowards and rotten establishmentarian crooks who get punched in the nose by the DNC woketard bully and then do what they're told.
 
The solution begins with widespread support of accelerationism. The quicker the turd gets flushed, the sooner something proper can be rebuilt. The more time and effort spent trying to fix an unfixable system, the bigger the waste and the longer it will take to correct.
Accelerationism is when you get BTFO so hard you somehow start believing that helping your enemies BTFO you even harder will cause it to loop around and turn it into a win. What you're looking for is a board reset, but accelerationism isn't going to grant you what you wish for.
 
Fine, you know what if DeSantis beats Trump in a primary, I promise I'll stay home and not vote. I'm not going to help the side of cowards and rotten establishmentarian crooks who get punched in the nose by the DNC woketard bully and then do what they're told.
>if my candidate doesn't win i'm gonna stay at home and throw a hissy fit

remember when we made fun of people doing this in 2016? what changed?
 
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