Discussing Solutions To The Maladies of the 2020s - Will the 2024 election really matter? Repercussions of Mass Vaccination. What should be done with Zoomers and Gen Alpha? Economic Depression? World War? And more...

[Mothra1988]

>if my candidate doesn't win i'm gonna stay at home and throw a hissy fit

remember when we made fun of people doing this in 2016? what changed?

2 stolen elections and 50 media/glownigger invented "scandals", you fucking mongoloid.. Have you even been paying attention? I don't know when I have things stolen from me I don't like being told I should just deal with it. And I like how a tool bag like @Meat Target says Trump will get assassinated if he runs again like that's a reasonable thing to accept for his voter base and not telling you you live in a Banana Republic. If that's the Republican Party you want where the people's choice is intimidated out/cheated out and you're fine with that, I'm out and you'll fucking lose again anyways.

 

[R00T]

2 stolen elections and 50 media/glownigger invented "scandals", you fucking mongoloid.. Have you even been paying attention? I don't know when I have things stolen from me I don't like being told I should just deal with it. And I like how a tool bag like @Meat Target says Trump will get assassinated if he runs again like that's a reasonable thing to accept for his voter base and not telling you you live in a Banana Republic. If that's the Republican Party you want where the people's choice is intimidated out/cheated out and you're fine with that, I'm out and you'll fucking lose again anyways.

I like how trump has completely split the Republican voter base to the point where a Republican will never win again. You know if people like you didn’t shoot down 3rd party voting every year we might not be in situations like this.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Accelerationism is when you get BTFO so hard you somehow start believing that helping your enemies BTFO you even harder will cause it to loop around and turn it into a win. What you're looking for is a board reset, but accelerationism isn't going to grant you what you wish for.

Yes, a board reset is needed. You think a board reset comes from the ballot box? How do you foresee this system repairing itself exactly?

 

[AnonymousKot]

Yes, a board reset is needed. You think a board reset comes from the ballot box? How do you foresee this system repairing itself exactly?

I don't think the system will ever repair itself, after all, they blatantly stole 2020 and most people went along with it, so why would they even be worried would be their thought

 

[gang weeder]

Nothing will be done. Everything will continue to degrade until China sacks Seattle or something.

Spoiler Alert: You can't fix this at the ballot box.

Democracy and freedom are incompatible long term. As you increase the voter base the government is required to grow larger and less efficient to respond to the varied stakeholders, who then use their newfound power to remove more freedoms from others. It's an endless cycle down the toilet.

The solution begins with widespread support of accelerationism. The quicker the turd gets flushed, the sooner something proper can be rebuilt. The more time and effort spent trying to fix an unfixable system, the bigger the waste and the longer it will take to correct.

Yarvin has some decent ideas for a new system. Would need some further fleshing out. Dugin has also put forth a very loose framework for what comes next. Either way, this Neolib/Neocon nexus is headed for the trashbin of history.

Pretty much this. Caring about Trump vs DeSantis, or even about Trump vs Biden, is the system's defense mechanism. It channels the population's frustration and energies into the kabuki theater of an election that ultimately doesn't matter very much and, even if it goes the "wrong" way for the ruling class, will be little more than a nuisance to them. And personally I don't think TPTB are even going to allow an election to go the "wrong" way again like in 2016. If you think shit was rigged in 2020, why do you think all of a sudden any other election would ever be any different?

The current path will simply continue until it is derailed by economic collapse or WWIII or something like that. You ain't gonna get it to budge by heckin' vootin'. People don't change their priors unless they are absolutely forced to by external conditions. This is true for our ruling class the same as it is for WingsOfRedemption.

There are only two solutions, either wait it out or do something violent about it. It's really not that complicated.

To add on to this, "do something violent about it" isn't a solution either. All that would accomplish is give the regime an enemy to point at and thus help prop it up for longer. You can see this effect with Blumpft and the Jan 6 hysteria. The regime keeps pointing at that as the "violent evil fascist insurrectionists who are a threat to OUR DEMOCRACY" to keep people scared and mad and focused on an external enemy rather than being upset at the system itself. Any sort of violence is thus ultimately shortsighted and retarded. If people are to lose faith in the regime, then it must be starved of enemies to point at and deflect to, so that people have no one and nothing else to blame for how shitty things are.

My white pill that I will add is for "Gen Z" and whatever generations come after. I think those are the people with the most hope because they're the most likely to live long enough to see something better than the shitshow we have now, even if most of them are currently too young and dumb to conceptualize that. If you're 50 today, you're probably not gonna live long enough to experience "good times" again. Plus, I believe it is the case that the younger you go, the less invested people are in maintaining the status quo, and this is true for both left and right among young people, as compared to boomers who can't fathom the thought of anything ever changing. That's really encouraging IMO.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

To add on to this, "do something violent about it" isn't a solution either. All that would accomplish is give the regime an enemy to point at and thus help prop it up for longer. You can see this effect with Blumpft and the Jan 6 hysteria. The regime keeps pointing at that as the "violent evil fascist insurrectionists who are a threat to OUR DEMOCRACY" to keep people scared and mad and focused on an external enemy rather than being upset at the system itself. Any sort of violence is thus ultimately shortsighted and retarded. If people are to lose faith in the regime, then it must be starved of enemies to point at and deflect to, so that people have no one and nothing else to blame for how shitty things are

Newsflash, the establishment does it even without anyone on the right engaging in violence, by just using slippery slope and announcing that opinions and speech are violence by existing.

You give examples of Blumpf and Jan. 6 but both are nonviolent acts of democracy that were reframed as violence. ESPECIALLY the latter where the only fatalities were protestors who were shot in cold blood.

Besides few unorganized teens and young adults, everyone on the right in the USA is a cuck that keeps talking about the tree of liberty but would rather become homeless and sterilised before doing anything.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

Yes, a board reset is needed. You think a board reset comes from the ballot box? How do you foresee this system repairing itself exactly?

The only way a board reset can happen in the near future is something like nuclear war or a meteor killing off most of the planet. Anyways, even if a board reset happened tomorrow you'll just end up in the same situation, no one has learned their lesson yet. But look on the bright side, they may take away your lives and your freedom, but they can never take away your cope. I'm still waiting for the cope to progress into "lol who cares if they have complete and utter control over my life, kill me, rape my dog, and indoctrinate my kids, and think it's funny, how does this affect my afterlife in any way?"

 

[gang weeder]

Newsflash, the establishment does it even without anyone on the right engaging in violence, by just using slippery slope and announcing that opinions and speech are violence by existing.

You give examples of Blumpf and Jan. 6 but both are nonviolent acts of democracy that were reframed as violence. ESPECIALLY the latter where the only fatalities were protestors who were shot in cold blood.

Besides few unorganized teens and young adults, everyone on the right in the USA is a cuck that keeps talking about the tree of liberty but would rather become homeless and sterilised before doing anything.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

@gang weeder
Can't forget the American past time of calling everyone who suggests something aside of slacktivism and "losing respectfully" of being a fed.

 

[gang weeder]

@gang weeder
Can't forget the American past time of calling everyone who suggests something aside of slacktivism and "losing respectfully" of being a fed.

I'm not gonna tell you to do any of that shit either, I guess you didn't read the part where I said elections don't really matter. Frustrating as it is, I think there is literally not much you can do besides sit and wait for the regime to lose legitimacy. Caring about elections won't make that happen any faster and neither will doing a heckin' violence either, although I guess if you had to pick between those two, I'd recommend the former since the latter will probably just end up with you in solitary confinement for life or killed and nothing to show for it.

If you absolutely must "do something" then maybe support a state independence movement (don't use the word "secession," that's what Confederates did and they were Bad People, say "independence" because that's what the Founding Fathers did and they were the good guys). Texas has a reasonably active one. But don't hope that if we just heckin' voote in DerpSantis that THIS TIME we'll really finally show those libtards for good. Definition of insanity etc.

 

[LeChampion1992]

@My Earnest Opinions -
With the Desantis 2024 crowd - I've noticed that these people tend to be fair weather Republicans/conservatives. These are the people who think kiwifarms are actually serial harassers that go after good people and don't want to be seen in the same room (rightfully so) with the cringe right.
Elections as a whole - the more we see Shenanigans the more we will see Dems try to abuse their power. My one concern is that we might push our country to a constitutional crisis and collapse. It's not normal to wait days or even weeks for election results. It's fairly clear red states that have defortified the elections aren't having the issues of waiting days after to know the other guy won with surprise votes. Even with mass migration, something has to give somewhere soon.
Vaccines - the abuse of COVID 19 and the Hysteria around it only made people more distrustful of vaccines as a whole. Vaccines had been one of the best things in helping make the modern world a safe place. Childhood vaccination lowered the death rates from secondary childhood diseases like smallpox, measles, mumps, and diphtheria to record lows/non existence.
It's sad because these (pro soyince) people have said if you don't get the flu vaccine you want granny to die from it. These are how the people exactly responded to COVID.

As for the economy - globalism has gone from the boogyman to a force that is actively dying in the world right now. Until we're back into a more regional/continental/national supply chain system things are going to get worse.

The world politics - China wants to challenge the US for number 1 hedgemone, meanwhile you have too many factions that don't want that like India, Japan, South Korea, and Vietnam. This is why the US tends to maintain not only bipartisan support in the Pacific but even the more lolbert types can realize that the US is not the aggressor in the Pacific, china is.
When it comes to Russia they won't feel comfortable in their western border until they annex all of Ukraine, the baltics, parts of Poland, parts of Romania, Georgia, and all of Moldova. The war in Ukraine was always going to be inevitable because Ukraine is on the way to two bigger zones one near Crimea and the other near the Carpathian mountains.
They're not saving the west, I jumped off that train before the war in 2022.
Yes the US has been the bad guy in the middle east, but that isn't necessarily the case in eastern Europe or southeast Asia.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

For the vaxxed, aside from literally just dying (or getting lucky somehow be it the mystery juice is a nothingburger saline or it didn't take hold), they could fund research into tech that undoes the vaxx. In particular the MRNA horseshit. I know its kind of goofy to undo gene-editing with even more gene editing but at least its a solution. The tricky part in all of this is finding scientists and making sure the funds are put to use. As there is definitely a depopulation agenda fetish being forced onto the rest of the populace and the last thing they need is the sheep unculling themselves.

 

[Just A Butt]

2 stolen elections

what was the second one?

 

[Mothra1988]

what was the second one?

The midterms obviously.

 

[Just A Butt]

The midterms obviously.

if it was obvious i wouldn't have to ask, tho

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Nothing will be done. Everything will continue to degrade until China sacks Seattle or something.

I really hope this world isn't some cyberpunk dystopia where the bad guys win.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

You know, the main issue with the election is that we honestly do not know if 2020 and 2022 were fraudulent. And that is in a way worse than if we knew for sure which it was.

Bare with me: Elections are built entirely on legitimacy. It is not a matter of if you like the results, it is a matter of if the results are believable and if they are trustworthy. Without trust a society cannot function and you have anarchy.

Loads of people do not believe that 2020 and 2022 were fraudulent, and just as many people believe they were. But neither side can prove it because the entire system is so fucking broken. Both sides end up coming to the argument "my source said" and when you look said source just says "trust me bro".

Democrats and RINO fags refuse to talk about making elections more secure because (at least this is the claim they tout in public) "there is nothing wrong with it" which is absurdly false. They use the circular logic that:

>There is no proof of election fraud
>That proof is circumstantial, you need hard proof
>No you cannot get a warranty to look for proof of election fraud
>You need a probably cause to look for it
>Circumstantial proof is not enough
>If you do not have hard proof then it is all a conspiracy theory
>Therefore, return to the first line

They believe that if they even entertain the idea that the elections in the United States could POSSIBLY have fraudulent results it would be the same as agreeing with the idea the election was stolen, so they refuse to do anything about it. This means that the number of people who feel the election is sus only grows. There is not a single person in D.C. who is offering the actual, REAL compromise on the issue that WOULD help calm things down, which would be something like this:

"Look, I do not believe the elections were stolen. [Insert some BS about safe and secure] However I can understand why people would be confused over the results due to how obtuse and obscure the process has been in some counties like the issues in Arizona or the controversies in Georgia and Pensylvania. I believe that we could make for a better, more transparent and trustworthy electoral system by trying to work out a set of rules to be followed by all states to stop any issues in the future and not allow this shadow of doubt on our nation."

At which point the proposal is made to introduce better voter I.D. laws, a unified chain of custody, stop the frankly absurd practice of private voting machines that no one is allowed to test for security issues, and other stuff that would stop shit like we saw in the last 2 elections.

But it won't happen, because this would require that they be willing to admit the people worried about election fraud have a point. And thus we find ourselves locked in a downward spiral where trust in the entire system is being eroded at a speed not seen since late 1980's Warsaw Pact.

And of course that is assuming they are not just gleefully rigging elections already, which is likely the case, but again this is just a best case scenario so they get the benefit of the doubt.