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[XYZpdq Jr.]

Magical girls came to be because of Bewitched being popular in Japan, making cute witches the quintessential magical girls. So Sabrina the Teenage Witch is like the American magical girl for our generation, it just sucks no one wants to use her as a foundation anymore.

Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon looked at Salem and said "chotto matte, beer-ni yoroshiku"

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon looked at Salem and said "chotto matte, beer-ni yoroshiku"

The show's budget was $20 and a box of wigs but it has fucking SOUL. The creator of Sailor Moon has complete control over the property so the chances of it being tainted by baka gaijin hands is small.

 

[Incecticyder]

Makes sense that early winx club was a pretty decent magical girls copy then, bc the italians that made it are also a very flamboyant people.

It is more accurate to say that the creator of Winx and the creator W.I.T.C.H. both understood the genre. It is theater. Europe as a whole understands theater culturally a bit better than the US as it has a big culture regarding it. France has good understanding too. It is worth mentioning that manga have been seen as popular in Europe from before they came to America. Comics as a whole were popular in Europe regardless of the age demographic. "Diabolic" is a famous title that is not aimed at kids for example. Helped by the fact that there are comics with genres other than superheroes. When manga came to Europe, they were not looked up as any different. Thus, when such shows were pitched, the execs understood the appeal and the market for the genre while the creators could write it.

Kind of funny how to movie seems to have maybe being going for an angle about growing up too fast/blindly worshipping cool older girls/yadda yadda but all the evidence shows over and over again that little girls just want to watch charming badass supermodels (or pretty horses in some cases) that happen to have superpowers sing catchy songs instead of blubbering awkward blob girls complaining about their lame 'trauma'...

Kids instinctively look up to people. They understand who they want to be. That is why they gravitate towards the beautiful, strong characters that still have human issues.

Magical girls came to be because of Bewitched being popular in Japan, making cute witches the quintessential magical girls. So Sabrina the Teenage Witch is like the American magical girl for our generation, it just sucks no one wants to use her as a foundation anymore.

Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon looked at Salem and said "chotto matte, beer-ni yoroshiku"

The aesthetics of such works appealed to Japan rather than outright create the genre. The genre was already there. Henshin Hero was a thing for a while. Ever since the Kabuki play "Narukami", where the protagonist transforms into a thunder god, the genre was there. By the way, "Narukami" was also the inspiration behind the Super Saiyan as well. I bet you can see it now.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

it has fucking SOUL.

I've been meaning to give it another chance, I dipped in and out of it when it was new so I know who turns heel and the other weird stuff, but yeah it was an odd little thing from what I saw

 

[Lil Miku]

The show's budget was $20 and a box of wigs but it has fucking SOUL. The creator of Sailor Moon has complete control over the property so the chances of it being tainted by baka gaijin hands is small.

Funnily enough, watching various episodes of the live action on YouTube a decade and a half ago is what actually got me into anime, so I hold it dear to my heart.

 

[Castoreum]

why iPads? Its strange.

Sponsorship, movie tie-in app, iPad cases based on the ones seen in the movie, Disney branded LeapFrog tier educational electronic toy tablets, all of the above, etc.

Whatever it is, it's for $$$.

 

[Archeops]

Pixar’s Pete Docter Says Queer ‘Elio’ Storyline Was Axed Because “We’re Making A Movie, Not Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars Of Therapy”

I can kind of see where Docter's going with this but even I have to admit that this was sloppily worded. He's basically telling folks that the "therapy" is going to be more thoroughly processed into something that general audiences can connect with rather than the extremely-autobiographical slant that recent Pixar films (especially films like Turning Red and Molina's initial scripts for Elio) have had.

 

[starborn427614]

I can kind of see where Docter's going with this but even I have to admit that this was sloppily worded. He's basically telling folks that the "therapy" is going to be more thoroughly processed into something that general audiences can connect with rather than the extremely-autobiographical slant that recent Pixar films (especially films like Turning Red and Molina's initial scripts for Elio) have had.

It's also a dumb thing to say because of films like Inside Out 1+2. It's not a crime to have a message or some morals for the kids to process, it just needs to be done well.

 

[Belvedere]

Powerpuff Girls (first series) was the only exception.

PPG was straight up an American Superhero show, down to the origin of the girls' (powers) being a lab accident. The Japanese love their magical girls trope so much than when they made the anime adaptation PPG-Z they gave them transformations sequences using charms and each wielded a signature weapon.

To an extend, yes. It stems from Kabuki theater. Poses and flamboyant costumes are important in a medium that relies on things other than lines of dialogue to convey a story. Tokusatsu, at least the Henshin Hero arm of the genre, also does the same but it is aimed at men mostly.

I can see that, specially the villain characters in Kabuki with their complex designs which do resemble monsters with their menacing face paint, big costumes and exaggerated gestures.

Magical girls came to be because of Bewitched being popular in Japan, making cute witches the quintessential magical girls. So Sabrina the Teenage Witch is like the American magical girl for our generation, it just sucks no one wants to use her as a foundation anymore.

The magical girl genre as per Wikipedia starter in 1962 with the manga "The Secret of Akko-chan", "Bewitched" was first aired in Japan in 1966, maybe the American show helped further the popularity of the whimsical pretty witch genre but it is unlikely it was its original inspiration.

IMHO the closest America had to a magical girl show that approached a lot of the elements the Japanese genre and did so successfully was "She-Ra: Princess of Power" (The 80s Filmation one, not that reboot abomination from Netflix).

I would not be surprised that if Sabrina were to be pitched for a revival as an animated show the producers would try to style in the Japanese magical girl template and not as a comedy because that's how creatively bankrupt the industry is right now. Either way perhaps it is for the better for the IP to remain dormant, Sabrina as per her Archie Comics origins is too pretty and feminine for today's danger hair and soyboy filled writer's room. Look what they did to She-Ra, it is better for the teenage witch to be left alone.

 

[Incecticyder]

I can see that, specially the villain characters in Kabuki with their complex designs which do resemble monsters with their menacing face paint, big costumes and exaggerated gestures.

It is very easy to see the inspiration. Though poses are more important to the masked hero subgenre. When you cannot see the expressions, body language is vastly more important. Still, the poses and gestures are important in theater worldwide. You cannot be certain that the audience at the back will be able to see every expression thus exaggerated body language is necessary.

 

[Mystery Spy]

The idea of any American studio aping "Magical Girl" concepts feels blasphemous. That is a intrinsically Japanese genre and it should be considered off-limits by any Western studio because it shows a deep lack of creativity. Are you really telling me they can't create a compelling story with an Western mythos?

Magical girls came to be because of Bewitched being popular in Japan, making cute witches the quintessential magical girls. So Sabrina the Teenage Witch is like the American magical girl for our generation, it just sucks no one wants to use her as a foundation anymore.

The magical girl genre as per Wikipedia starter in 1962 with the manga "The Secret of Akko-chan", "Bewitched" was first aired in Japan in 1966, maybe the American show helped further the popularity of the whimsical pretty witch genre but it is unlikely it was its original inspiration.

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The American Mary Marvel predates all of them, including Sally the Witch, whom the Japanese mistakenly believe was the first. She was created in 1942—literally a World War II character.

In fact, Mary is more similar to the modern concept of Sailor Moon than Sabrina the Teenage Witch or Bewitched ever were. Sabrina and Samantha are simply "cute witches" who lack core superhero elements. Mary featured a transformation sequence and was a teenage superheroine who fought villains decades before Sailor Moon existed. She even had her solo comic, in case someone wants to argue she is just SHAZAM's sidekick.

She did all the tropes people love of Sailor Moon decades becades before Sailor's Moon creator was born

People don't notice this because American comic writers seem to fear cooties, and never utilized her potential and she was overshadowed by Billy. But I've yet to find an older example than her. Point is, america was first.

BuT sHe IS a SUPerHeRo

So? Magical girls ,in the style of Sailor Moon. are all superheroes , so I don't buy that as an excuse to dismiss her.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

iirc Sailor Moon lifts a lot more from the fushigi comedies like Poitraine than Sally or Majokko or Minki Momo

 

[Likely]

It's part of the pipeline, they hire people for it. It's so they have a blueprint for what the scenes should look like before dedicating more effort into it. It helps work out things like timing and camera angles. Both 2D and 3D films do it.

This is why deleted scenes for animated films usually take the form of these things.

Edit: I think technically once they add the voices and make a video out of it it's called an animatic, and storyboard is when it's just drawings being presented, but I'm not sure.

yeah, there's some political sperging in this thread about how this was cancelled because of puberty or whatever the current gripe is. but an animatic is so early on in the process that even core story and visual elements of the final film can be substantially changed. so if they wanted to change it because of some right wing or left wing "current thing", that wouldn't necessarily be a deal killer at this stage.

also, "three years in production" sounds like a long time, but that simply can be them noodling on a concept, turning it into a rough story board of the major beats, going back and forth and resubmitting it into the production pipeline. we got four minutes of animatic out of it, and sure there's more, but i doubt a ton more.

honestly, if nothing else it seems like a weak concept for a story, and i agree with doctor that these overly humanized emotional character study films are not good contenders for making some real fucking money. if you have the ability, you put one out every so often as "something different", perhaps highlighting a more highminded human experience.

Elemental highlighted the immigrant experience, but apparently Be Fri was all about losing a platonic friend? What a weak basis for a feature length film. That's not an insurmountable conceit, but it requires some real solid execution to nail and I feel that they don't have the appetite for risking another Elio.

Slam the concept into a 5 minute short like Boundin or Purl (directed by the woman directing this btw), combine it with some phd's dissertation, and you might at least pick up a siggraph special.

 

[Trilby]

Noticed this popped up, I'm sure I saw this when I was very young. Consider this the original "Once Upon A Studio"...

 

[Random Internet Person]

Watching the clip, I'm thinking a big reason it was scrapped might have been because the magical girl transformation stuff was a metaphor for puberty, and that would just have been repeating Turning Red again. Plus the idea of "rejecting the gem" to not transform would be akin to puberty blockers and that's no bueno for a Disney product now.

My first thought was “man, Rebecca Sugar got really lucky releasing Steven Universe when she did, didn’t she?” .

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

iirc Sailor Moon lifts a lot more from the fushigi comedies like Poitraine than Sally or Majokko or Minki Momo

Sailor Moon was largely inspired by Cutie Honey, and sentai. Of which Naoko Takeuchi from the beginning, have been quite explicit on listing and crediting who and what were her inspirations for Sailor Moon.

 

[SpiderBitch]

And that concluded the live action casting for the main characters, seeing as the chameleon and the horse dont even speak so no fancy celeb VA required. They definitely couldve picked worse.

Only the side characters remain, and those are primarily big burly criminals (the evil twins and the people at the pub) so if they still wanna add diversity they gotta be careful lol.

Main concern would be some of the thugs getting gender swapped to female to add boring female friends for Rapunzel even tho her being the only girl is a contrast thats pretty important to the scene (youre supposed to think all these scary men are gonna hurt the sweet little girl but then they end up having a jolly ol time to disprove mommy gothels fear mongering during mother knows best)

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Main concern would be

that they're doing a live-action remake of this at all when the original was perfectly fine and isn't even 2 decades old

 

[Trilby]

that they're doing a live-action remake of this at all when the original was perfectly fine and isn't even 2 decades old

Pretty much. This is overkill.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

"You get a live action!"
"You get a live action!"
"EVERYBODY GETS A LIVE ACTION!!!"

I fucking hate this company and industry.