Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

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Aren't there usually older women who do child voices? This really sounds like a personal invitation to a higher up couch.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

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Bog Iger is just saying quote above in this thread because he sat back and led all of those “woke” decisions to fester in his workplace when actual workers were barely getting paid well enough and complained about working conditions in their theme parks. This guy is not doing it because he NOW concerns himself over losing money.

I cannot comprehend why Disney wants to run with this woke thing and still claim they're following Walt's vision. I mean he kicked a cast member off of Swiss Family Robinson for being gay. That is something that would be an international news story today.

I also can't understand why they don't just go back to their roots of making 2D hand drawn films based on European folklore/fairy tales. That formula worked for decades and decades, and now they want to make stuff like Zootopia or the gay space thing or the elemental movie with the horrendous pop music in the trailer. Like I mean pick a timeless story from the medieval era, something you haven't done before like Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel, or Baba Yaga and run with it. Maybe combine those three into one movie; there's plenty of material to work with there that you can flesh out to a 90 minute film without having to resort to woke politics or stupid pop music that normies eat up daily.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Baba Yaga

That would be awesome but only if it was Disney like 15 years ago. Modern Disney just creates ugly queer brown woke horseshit.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

Aren't there usually older women who do child voices? This really sounds like a personal invitation to a higher up couch.

Get Sarah Silverman for that role, she's looking for work especially after that Holocaust known as Santa Inc that literally forced Seth Rogen to start cleaning up his image by doing more family oriented roles (only being an executive producer for "The Boys") why else is he going to do the Ninja Turtles/Darkwing Duck reboots. As for Silverman I can judge her voice acting from the Wreck-It Ralph movies and she comes across as someone that can do the role very sincere even though she is one of the worst female comedians that ever live.

Even her sister Laura Silverman would be decent for the role.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I cannot comprehend why Disney wants to run with this woke thing and still claim they're following Walt's vision. I mean he kicked a cast member off of Swiss Family Robinson for being gay. That is something that would be an international news story today.

I also can't understand why they don't just go back to their roots of making 2D hand drawn films based on European folklore/fairy tales. That formula worked for decades and decades, and now they want to make stuff like Zootopia or the gay space thing or the elemental movie with the horrendous pop music in the trailer. Like I mean pick a timeless story from the medieval era, something you haven't done before like Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel, or Baba Yaga and run with it. Maybe combine those three into one movie; there's plenty of material to work with there that you can flesh out to a 90 minute film without having to resort to woke politics or stupid pop music that normies eat up daily.

Home on the Range was the last 2D Disney film, with no sign of them ever going back because it's cheaper to shit out 3D movies now by hiring right out of college and burning animators out, vs doing the handdrawn stuff that takes far longer to produce.

Disney has long since stopped being a company that gives a shit about the quality of product, it's all about making money. And they're falling victim to a bunch of flash in the pan pop culture bullshit.

It's the same mistake that Michael Eisner made in his time as CEO, trying to make the park more appealing to teenagers with shit like the ExTERRORestrial Alien Encounter (which was on its own merits quite a GOOD experience for what it was...it just had no fucking place in Disneyland. I speak from experience as a traumatized 8 year old my dad forced onto that shit because dad didn't think it would get as scary as it did).

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

That would be awesome but only if it was Disney like 15 years ago. Modern Disney just creates ugly queer brown woke horseshit.

They probably wouldn't do it now because Baba Yaga is mostly associated with Russia, and we need to show "solidarity" with those poor Ukies. I mean my idea was combining that story with RRH and Hansel and Gretel like... you could make Baba Yaga the villain and have the big bad wolf as a secondary antagonist, but this will never happen, especially after the situation in eastern Europe.

 

[Non-breath oblige]

...can't say I'm interested in the baseball thing anymore. The idea of a whole series showing the different POV's on the run-up to a single game was really interesting, but I wanted something actually relating to baseball. This seems like anything but.

Would also recommend the Major anime series, plus its sequel Major 2nd. It covers nearly the entire (Japanese) baseball path starting from the little league to the majors. (So far just little league to middle school for Major 2nd)

 

[Kari Kamiya]

It's the same mistake that Michael Eisner made in his time as CEO, trying to make the park more appealing to teenagers with shit like the ExTERRORestrial Alien Encounter (which was on its own merits quite a GOOD experience for what it was...it just had no fucking place in Disneyland. I speak from experience as a traumatized 8 year old my dad forced onto that shit because dad didn't think it would get as scary as it did).

Dammit, I've never been able to go on that. It was I think in the middle of being installed the first time I went to Disneyland, and then it was just gone years later or something like that. Would've loved to experience it.

EDIT: Oh shit, I looked it up and I remember now. It was there in 2002, but my brothers and I were too fucking short at the time.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Dammit, I've never been able to go on that. It was I think in the middle of being installed the first time I went to Disneyland, and then it was just gone years later or something like that. Would've loved to experience it.

EDIT: Oh shit, I looked it up and I remember now. It was there in 2002, but my brothers and I were too fucking short at the time.
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It was very much a 4D theatre experience, since besides the pre-show having a Tim Curry Robot torture alien Snuffalufagus as a 'demonstration' of teleportation technology*, the bulk of the 'ride' was really people sitting in seats (restraints lowered but this was to keep people seated at all times - this was the reason for the height requirement, the seats otherwise didn't even move) with little tricks to make you think the alien monster was stalking around (audio projection with white noise, 'ticklers' blasting air at your ankles, and squirting water on you when the guy on the catwalk got eaten and you were hit with 'blood').

(*the entire reason for this pre-show, by the way, was to underscore that this was not usual disney world fare, but considerably far darker an experience)

But yeah, the actual product was great, but it absolutely should not have been allowed to anybody under the age of 13. Part of the reason it also got pulled is the guy playing the leader alien (who amusingly gets trapped on a planet full of monsters just like the one you 'encounter') was found guilty of rape charges so they converted it into a less intense version with Stitch that lost pretty much the whole point of the experience. Personally, I think Disney could bring it back in some form as a Halloween thing for older guests (and ONLY older guests), since it really showed what Imagineering could pull off once you ditch the need to be child friendly.

EDIT: Found a 'ride through' video for you with the Tim Curry robot pre-show. Most of the 'ride' was legitimately in darkness, for obvious reasons.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

No clue if it's legit but I've always heard rumors it was designed to be with the Alien license but things fell through so you got ORIGINAL TWO LETTER COMPANY and ORIGINAL XENOMORPH
still bugs me how little of the Church of the Subgenius in-jokes from that era of Tomorrowland got documented

 

[WarJams]

Dammit, I've never been able to go on that. It was I think in the middle of being installed the first time I went to Disneyland, and then it was just gone years later or something like that. Would've loved to experience it.

EDIT: Oh shit, I looked it up and I remember now. It was there in 2002, but my brothers and I were too fucking short at the time.
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They rebranded this into a Lilo & Stitch attraction a few years ago, which kept the same core concept, but takes a lot of the edge off of it for kids. Cutesy cartoon aliens played for laughs and a few jump scares rather than fuckoffasaurus from planet X who is probably going to eat your mom. It works way better that way, and ties into the park better. I remember the original one made my younger siblings fucking cry in the 90s, it was a legit thrill.

But the alien keyboard player in Cosmic Rays was gone last time I went too.

 

[huecoffs02]

I've been watching this channel, Poseidon Entertainment. Seems to be full autismo for the Disney Parks but I have found it pretty interesting. Are Disney Parks really as shit now as those vids say?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Home on the Range was the last 2D Disney film, with no sign of them ever going back because it's cheaper to shit out 3D movies now by hiring right out of college and burning animators out, vs doing the handdrawn stuff that takes far longer to produce.

Disney has long since stopped being a company that gives a shit about the quality of product, it's all about making money. And they're falling victim to a bunch of flash in the pan pop culture bullshit.

Is 2D more costly than 3D though? 3D movie budget is still ridiculous and if anything the time it takes to model, articulate and render per model and scene is several times what it takes to draw. The only advantage is that you could use 3D to cover up for having shit artists.

Also every corporation on the size of Disney has long stopped caring about making money. The only things it cares is promoting propaganda and trying to create a single mega hit to have everyone at the top get promoted.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Is 2D more costly than 3D though? 3D movie budget is still ridiculous and if anything the time it takes to model, articulate and render per model and scene is several times what it takes to draw.

No one can seem to really give an exact answer as to why it is 2D is apparently more expensive than 3D, so the only thing I can think of is that it's a bullshit excuse to "save the trees" (when you can totally do digital 2D animation now) and also for studios to have less manpower to pay salaries to (especially after they got caught fixing wages).

 

[Michael Wade]

Oh man I remember that alien ride. lol That shit terrified me as a kid when I got on it. The way they introduced it made me think star trek and I certainly got a rude awakening.

The best part was at the end when they said everybody was fine and nobody died. I was young but I wasn't stupid. hahaha

I kinda miss how screwed up and terrifying kids stuff could be back then.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

No one can seem to really give an exact answer as to why it is 2D is apparently more expensive than 3D, so the only thing I can think of is that it's a bullshit excuse to "save the trees" (when you can totally do digital 2D animation now) and also for studios to have less manpower to pay salaries to (especially after they got caught fixing wages).

2D is cheaper. The problem with it is that it takes more time to animate, whereas a 3D movie can be shit out in a year, 2D takes much more time, which kills Disney and others’ yearly release schedules.

2D also died due to Pixar and DreamWorks. Thanks to Disney shitting out some awful movies in the later 2D years, while Pixar and DreamWorks were killing it, 2D became animation suicide unless tied to a tv IP. Maybe if 2D animation expanded past Disney and Disney-lite (Don Bluth), then it could have stuck around, but the lack of true competition in 2D meant that when Disney shit the bed, it would die with it. TV never had the same issue as Warner, Viacom, Ted Turner, Fox, and so many others were able to compete or even dethrone Disney in the space.

Say what you want about 3D animation, but it had a way healthier competitive space than 2D, what with Pixar, DreamWorks, Nickelodeon, Blue Sky, Sony, Illumination, WB, and more all getting decent attention.

I also can't understand why they don't just go back to their roots of making 2D hand drawn films based on European folklore/fairy tales. That formula worked for decades and decades, and now they want to make stuff like Zootopia or the gay space thing or the elemental movie with the horrendous pop music in the trailer. Like I mean pick a timeless story from the medieval era, something you haven't done before like Red Riding Hood, Hansel and Gretel, or Baba Yaga and run with it. Maybe combine those three into one movie; there's plenty of material to work with there that you can flesh out to a 90 minute film without having to resort to woke politics or stupid pop music that normies eat up daily.

Toy Story and Shrek are the reason. After years of being the top dogs and treating animators like shit, the hatred animators had for them finally came to bite them in the ass. Pixar and DreamWorks made Disney films look like shit and DreamWorks especially was hell bent on fucking Disney. By the end of the 2000s, it was pretty clear that Disney adapts or dies as shown by the Princess and The Frog’s poor sales. Tangled was essentially the Shrek-Disney film, as it took tons of cues from DreamWorks and Wreck-It-Ralph was a Pixar film just under the Disney animation umbrella.

The 2000s era sunk the Disney ship. Even the films based on fairytales from the 2010s weeks heavily influenced by the previous era. This isn’t all about Disney going woke, this is Disney needing to adapt to survive the competition they created after years of ego tripping.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

2D is cheaper. The problem with it is that it takes more time to animate, whereas a 3D movie can be shit out in a year, 2D takes much more time, which kills Disney and others’ yearly release schedules.

2D also died due to Pixar and DreamWorks. Thanks to Disney shitting out some awful movies in the later 2D years, while Pixar and DreamWorks were killing it, 2D became animation suicide unless tied to a tv IP. Maybe if 2D animation expanded past Disney and Disney-lite (Don Bluth), then it could have stuck around, but the lack of true competition in 2D meant that when Disney shit the bed, it would die with it. TV never had the same issue as Warner, Viacom, Ted Turner, Fox, and so many others were able to compete or even dethrone Disney in the space.

Say what you want about 3D animation, but it had a way healthier competitive space than 2D, what with Pixar, DreamWorks, Nickelodeon, Blue Sky, Sony, Illumination, WB, and more all getting decent attention.


Toy Story and Shrek are the reason. After years of being the top dogs and treating animators like shit, the hatred animators had for them finally came to bite them in the ass. Pixar and DreamWorks made Disney films look like shit and DreamWorks especially was hell bent on fucking Disney. By the end of the 2000s, it was pretty clear that Disney adapts or dies as shown by the Princess and The Frog’s poor sales. Tangled was essentially the Shrek-Disney film, as it took tons of cues from DreamWorks and Wreck-It-Ralph was a Pixar film just under the Disney animation umbrella.

The 2000s era sunk the Disney ship. Even the films based on fairytales from the 2010s weeks heavily influenced by the previous era. This isn’t all about Disney going woke, this is Disney needing to adapt to survive the competition they created after years of ego tripping.

The Princess & The Frog was an odd case. The problem wasn't traditional animation or having a black Disney Princess, it was the fact that they seemed to want a black Disney Princess first and foremost, and a good film second. I wouldn't call the end result bad per se...but they tried too hard to make a Disney Renaissance-style film without understanding how any of it worked, and boy does it show.

 

[vern]

I've been watching this channel, Poseidon Entertainment. Seems to be full autismo for the Disney Parks but I have found it pretty interesting. Are Disney Parks really as shit now as those vids say?

Yeah Poseidon sorta scratches the same niche itche Defunctland used too back when they actually talked about theme parks.

 

[Optimus Prime]

No clue if it's legit but I've always heard rumors it was designed to be with the Alien license but things fell through so you got ORIGINAL TWO LETTER COMPANY and ORIGINAL XENOMORPH
still bugs me how little of the Church of the Subgenius in-jokes from that era of Tomorrowland got documented

As far as I'm aware, the use of the Aliens license being the original intention is 100% true but somebody lost interest in the project along the way. Likely Eisner, since him loosing interest part of the way through some project he spearheaded was far from a rare occurrence - the other major case of this happening is the infamous Superstar Limo which started as just being a bunch of industry insider level jokes aimed specifically at Eisner and the idea kinda didn't get much farther than that.

They rebranded this into a Lilo & Stitch attraction a few years ago, which kept the same core concept, but takes a lot of the edge off of it for kids. Cutesy cartoon aliens played for laughs and a few jump scares rather than fuckoffasaurus from planet X who is probably going to eat your mom. It works way better that way, and ties into the park better. I remember the original one made my younger siblings fucking cry in the 90s, it was a legit thrill.

But the alien keyboard player in Cosmic Rays was gone last time I went too.

You forgot that they added a 'fart' joke into the thing, it was supposed to smell like a chili dog but every single testimony I've ever read about that is that the smell was horrible.

The ride itself is long since shut down, they use the entrance as a Stitch meet and greet but it's just a pair of empty theatres behind those walls now.

I've been watching this channel, Poseidon Entertainment. Seems to be full autismo for the Disney Parks but I have found it pretty interesting. Are Disney Parks really as shit now as those vids say?

I went to Disneyland back in 2019 and while I had a decent enough time...yeah, the parks are a far cry from what they used to be. Like, holy FUCK there is literally nothing good about removing fast pass in favor of lightning lane and Genie. And it's hilarious how transparent that stupid Spiderman ride is meant to make you buy the stupid accessories to play the game faster, but the ride itself isn't anything remotely close to the excellent one already in place at the Universal Parks.

 

[Bolo_the_Second]

No one can seem to really give an exact answer as to why it is 2D is apparently more expensive than 3D, so the only thing I can think of is that it's a bullshit excuse to "save the trees" (when you can totally do digital 2D animation now) and also for studios to have less manpower to pay salaries to (especially after they got caught fixing wages).

Couple of reasons:

2D is way, WAY too time consuming, and time is money, not to mention the cut of scenes, even if they are on rough pencils, could mean hundreds of thousands of dallars in cost.

2D animators are a dying breed, yes, you have a bunch of toon boon artists working on cartoon series, but old-school animators that go for those fluid 24 drawings a second, yeah, those don't come around much anymore, the old guard either retired or moved on to do other stuff. To train new animators would also take time and money and Korean warehouses don't offer the same quality control needed to make feature films.

3D animators are young and cheap, most of them just out of college and they can be hired in batches and disposed easly after a time. 2D animators can't be easly replaced, not experience wise, but for 2D animated features, each animator has to take time to learn and be proper for character models draftsmanship, no such problem with 3D models, so quick scens without a lot of acting can be done by a guy with little to no experience.

And to take a break on studio economics... the public ain't there. Sure a lot of people online would love to see 2D make a come back, but the public in general don't have much in terms of preference, and the 3D movies tend to be flashier and easier to get kid's attention. It is what it is.