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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
Elemental has had very strong legs for an awful opening. projections are between $420 to $500 million by the end of its run. So it may make a very small profit from its cinema gross, but still not what you want from a $200 million budgeted movie and especially not when everything else outside GOTG3 has lost money this year for Disney.

Right now just under $360 million worldwide

Haunted Mansion is tracking awful for a budget of $150 million
https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-r...or-mission-impossible-barbie-and-oppenheimer/
Opening Weekend Range: $22M-$37M
Domestic Total Range: $73M-$131M

I would expect it would need to do $350 million to even break even worldwide, and I don't see it grossing over $220 million needed overseas to do so. It also has Barbie and Oppenheimer to deal with, both of which are expected to have better second weekends than Haunted Mansions Opening. So even the best out-come this will lose money, just a question of how much.
 
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Elemental was such a weird movie.

I feel like we don't get nearly enough movies pushing 'racism is good, actually' as a moral fable for kids like Elemental did, but at the same time the boring romcom parts took up 90% of it.
 
NotFatChild said:
Elemental was such a weird movie.

I feel like we don't get nearly enough movies pushing 'racism is good, actually' as a moral fable for kids like Elemental did, but at the same time the boring romcom parts took up 90% of it.
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I'm still frankly in shock that a Disney film makes a metaphor that ethnicities are akin to people being on a MOLECULAR level.
 
Product Placement said:
Elemental has had very strong legs for an awful opening. projections are between $420 to $500 million by the end of its run. So it may make a very small profit from its cinema gross, but still not what you want from a $200 million budgeted movie and especially not when everything else outside GOTG3 has lost money this year for Disney.

Right now just under $360 million worldwide

Haunted Mansion is tracking awful for a budget of $150 million
https://www.boxofficepro.com/long-r...or-mission-impossible-barbie-and-oppenheimer/
Opening Weekend Range: $22M-$37M
Domestic Total Range: $73M-$131M

I would expect it would need to do $350 million to even break even worldwide, and I don't see it grossing over $220 million needed overseas to do so. It also has Barbie and Oppenheimer to deal with, both of which are expected to have better second weekends than Haunted Mansions Opening. So even the best out-come this will lose money, just a question of how much.
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See this guy gets it!

As for the Haunted Masion movie, it probably won't even make money because it hasn't been advertised enough, at least from what I've seen, heck there are no reviews yet for this, so yeah. I will probably end up like that live action remake of Peter Pan that came out on Disney Plus, so people may review it but in the end it probably won't be remembered next month.
 
Sinner's Sandwich said:
Apparently the 7 hobos in Snow White are bandits. So I was right. And the prince is a bandit too, which I didn't expect.

Snow White isn't white, the dwarfs aren't dwarfs, the prince isn't a prince. Sums up Disney perfectly. Everything has been changed to the worse, only the name is the same.
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Not-white and the seven eight brigands?
I refuse this believe that this movie is anything but an elaborate trolling attempt.
 
NotFatChild said:
Elemental was such a weird movie.

I feel like we don't get nearly enough movies pushing 'racism is good, actually' as a moral fable for kids like Elemental did, but at the same time the boring romcom parts took up 90% of it.
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Is it b-b-b-b-baased? It probably came in by accident if anything. I just saw some trailers, rolled my eyes and then the attempt to make flower kid a viral thing that just left me stumped.
 
ZMOT said:
dunno why people get so hung up about the whole MUH SONY MUH CONSUMER angle, when both are inevitably linked together. sony is the next big competition, of course the FTC is gonna fucking look at it how they are affected, and in turn the consumers. hint: "consumer" means fuck all when it comes to monopolization because at that point there is no way for them to influence the market anymore anyway - hence the whole antitrust thing which is supposed to prevent exactly that.

if apple decides to buy disney, it will be looked at the exact same way. can't wait for the inevitable COMCAST IS PAYING THE FTC OFF smoothbrain takes....
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That's the thing though, Sony isn't the only big competition Microsoft has in the video game sphere but the FTC seemed weirdly hung up on it. Also the entire lawsuit was about how it was anti-consumer for Microsoft to buy Activision so no shit FTC hankering on about MUH POOR SONY when they should've been going after Microsoft for the way they've mishandled their existing properties was sure to raise an eyebrow or two.
 
ShitLurker said:
Is it b-b-b-b-baased? It probably came in by accident if anything. I just saw some trailers, rolled my eyes and then the attempt to make flower kid a viral thing that just left me stumped.
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You can see some of the best stuff in the trailers.

The fire people not being allowed to enter a plant exhibit. Gee, I wonder why.
Fire dad telling fire daughter about how shitty water people are, two water people then come into their store and begin breaking shit for laughs before being chased out and having the fire daughter scream slurs at them in a made up language.
The fire grandma telling her offspring to not racemix on her deathbed (okay this might not have been in the trailers, I cant remember)
The fire people getting denied the ability to rent a house made of wood, which they almost burn to the ground after setting it on fire by ringing the doorbell.


The fact that nearly every elemental can basically kill another type by touching them is made clear in the movie and even a child can quickly realize that they shouldn't be mixing.
 
Gorgar said:
Relies too heavily on Haunted Mansion lore and doesn't expand it.
No Christianity
1,000 ghost is some ghost that died unhappy somehow
The Hitchhiking Ghosts are rewritten
No practical effects
A few actors having their names removed in the credits
No mention of legitimately good haunted house movies
No mention of 2003's The Haunted Mansion
Overly Preachy
Box Office Bomb
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For those who somehow watched the thing, how much did I get right?
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=VcqeQSasUKo
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>LS MARK
 
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Milkshake Sniffer said:
As at 23 July it had taken $137m domestically and $219m overseas. Just over half of the domestic and 43-45% of the overseas box office goes back to the distributor/producer (Disney). Being generous to Disney (all of these numbers are generous to Disney) it has got $175m of that box office.

At the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious to quote Basil Fawlty this film hasn't come close to breaking even, let alone making an acceptable return on investment. It is a bomb!

Oh and as for your "proof": The dumb fuck that is LS Mark states it has shattered all expectations to become Disney's biggest animated hit since 2019's Frozen 2. He goes on to say it's taken $300m surpassing Strange World, Lightyear and The Flash. (Spoiler alert - these all bombed as well.) He states that given the marketing spend he's still sure the film is in the red going on to say that by the time it leaves theatres there's at least the hope that it might have made a little bit of profit.

So you've relied on a youtube short by the mentally defective for the mentally defective to justify a claim that the youtube short itself doesn't make. Congratulations; you are the dumbest rock in the quarry after the quarry took a special delivery of particularly dumb rocks.
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I remember hearing something about the 50/50 box-office split in the US (and maybe the rest of the world) a few months ago is just an average and the ratio favors one side heavily in the first few weeks before completely switching towards the end of its run (not sure which side gets the lion share in the first few weeks, might bet on the studios because second run theaters where still a thing right before covid). But then again I've also heard its complete dependent on what ever deal the studio has made with the theater chain/company.
 
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NotFatChild said:
You can see some of the best stuff in the trailers.

The fire people not being allowed to enter a plant exhibit. Gee, I wonder why.
Fire dad telling fire daughter about how shitty water people are, two water people then come into their store and begin breaking shit for laughs before being chased out and having the fire daughter scream slurs at them in a made up language.
The fire grandma telling her offspring to not racemix on her deathbed (okay this might not have been in the trailers, I cant remember)
The fire people getting denied the ability to rent a house made of wood, which they almost burn to the ground after setting it on fire by ringing the doorbell.


The fact that nearly every elemental can basically kill another type by touching them is made clear in the movie and even a child can quickly realize that they shouldn't be mixing.
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Isn't it great how these idiots make media with implications that go against their ideologies? I think it's funny how Vivziepop includes a bunch of sexual minorities... in Hell...
 
NotFatChild said:
You can see some of the best stuff in the trailers.

The fire people not being allowed to enter a plant exhibit. Gee, I wonder why.
Fire dad telling fire daughter about how shitty water people are, two water people then come into their store and begin breaking shit for laughs before being chased out and having the fire daughter scream slurs at them in a made up language.
The fire grandma telling her offspring to not racemix on her deathbed (okay this might not have been in the trailers, I cant remember)
The fire people getting denied the ability to rent a house made of wood, which they almost burn to the ground after setting it on fire by ringing the doorbell.


The fact that nearly every elemental can basically kill another type by touching them is made clear in the movie and even a child can quickly realize that they shouldn't be mixing.
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So does it do a retarded 180 in the final 5 minutes about how you can make it work with a splasher if you totally put effort on it and totally not end up burning the coal? Because yes, this does sound pretty "based" but I simply cannot imagine they wouldn't cop out at the end, kind of like with Zootopia.
 
ArthuriusMartyrius said:
That's the thing though, Sony isn't the only big competition Microsoft has in the video game sphere but the FTC seemed weirdly hung up on it. Also the entire lawsuit was about how it was anti-consumer for Microsoft to buy Activision so no shit FTC hankering on about MUH POOR SONY when they should've been going after Microsoft for the way they've mishandled their existing properties was sure to raise an eyebrow or two.
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who else is there? nintendo? already declared no competition. pc? open platform. EA/take two/etc.? independent publishers. there are only 3 console brands, and one of them does their own thing.
how MS handles their properties is not of the FTC's concern, going "you're not allowed to buy activision because you hardly used bethesda and went full retard with 343" would have looked even weirder.
 
vern said:
I remember hearing something about the 50/50 box-office split in the US (and maybe the rest of the world) a few months ago is just an average and the ratio favors one side heavily in the first few weeks before completely switching towards the end of its run (not sure which side gets the lion share in the first few weeks, might bet on the studios because second run theaters where still a thing right before covid). But then again I've also heard its complete dependent on what ever deal the studio has made with the theater chain/company.
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Generally, studios get most of the ticket sales for the beginning of a movie's run, then week over week the ratio flips so the theater gets the larger cut. But since most movies tend to have their box office plummet week over week, by the time the theater's taking home most of the ticket sales, they're not making much there. Only if a movie does exceptionally well for more than a month or so will theaters actually pull in a decent amount from tickets alone, and I think the last time that happened was probably Top Gun 2. That's also why concessions are so expensive, because the theaters have to make up the difference somehow.

This is really broad strokes that doesn't get into specific studios and their deals, and I won't even go into the foreign box office because I have no clue how that works. This is why people tend to stick to basic napkin math when it comes to determining whether a movie made a profit or not. But by any metric, Elemental is a flop that will be lucky to clear $400 million globally before it shuffles out of theaters, nowhere near enough to make money on its bloated $200 million budget.
 
King Dead said:
Generally, studios get most of the ticket sales for the beginning of a movie's run, then week over week the ratio flips so the theater gets the larger cut. But since most movies tend to have their box office plummet week over week, by the time the theater's taking home most of the ticket sales, they're not making much there. Only if a movie does exceptionally well for more than a month or so will theaters actually pull in a decent amount from tickets alone, and I think the last time that happened was probably Top Gun 2. That's also why concessions are so expensive, because the theaters have to make up the difference somehow.

This is really broad strokes that doesn't get into specific studios and their deals, and I won't even go into the foreign box office because I have no clue how that works. This is why people tend to stick to basic napkin math when it comes to determining whether a movie made a profit or not. But by any metric, Elemental is a flop that will be lucky to clear $400 million globally before it shuffles out of theaters, nowhere near enough to make money on its bloated $200 million budget.
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I figured as much, though that might mean Elemental was a bigger bust for Disney then first thought since it had a horrible first week but still had the best legs out of any movie they've shit out over the past year (although 4.5 to maybe 5 is probably only "good" in comparison to shit like ant-man or strange world), so even if it does make $400 million in the what 3-4 weeks(?) it has left, it probably still won't be close to breaking even.
 
Michael Wade said:
So.... Is disney retiring micky? How the fuck does that work? is KH gonna be the only thing he'll be in now?
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steamboat willie mickey, maybe. anything else their lawyers will argue is different enough (the disney logo is just 3 black circles) to not fall under it. good luck in court.
 
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