Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Kari Kamiya]

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Soul theatrical re-release bomb hard despite having Self as a exclusive short.

"Self" is supposedly claymation, but that screenshot looks CGI to me.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

This goyim has noticed...

Little Mermaid - Movie about a fishgirl princess named Ariel (A'riel when translated literally meaning JERUSALEM; Isaiah 29:1).
Beauty and the Beast - Movie about default European girl getting with a brown beast.
Aladdin - Literal Hajji shit.
Lion King - Blatantly co-opted Japanese movie base converted into, of course, a story about Nigger mud-cookie african kangs.
Pocahontas - Whitey civilization bringer bad the movie, but also, fuck Indians instead of your own kin.
Hunchback of Notre Dame - A retard and a (of course) Christian priest simp over a Jewish-ghetto-tier Gypsy.
Mulan - Literal ChiCom shit.
etc.

Holy Piss was Disney after Walt Kike'd out beyond believe...

I'm amazed people didn't notice sooner, everything passed Mulan makes sense when you see how quickly the Tribe's pedo-tendrils started mukmuking up the place.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

@Lone MacReady II your current avatar reminds me that Richard Rich, an ex-Disney animator who left around the same time Don Bluth did and founded his own studio(s), is probably one of the best examples of an animator with promise falling hard in selling his soul to corporatism this side of Big Idea. He was totally comfy in his niche of animating stories from the Bible and the Animated Heroes Classics (some of you might have seen either-or the Christopher Columbus, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln, and William Bradford videos), but you can tell the failure of The King and I made him desperate to save his livelihood.

Alpha and Omega is the Devil, and Richard is trapped in purgatory. I feel for the guy, and I don't know if anyone else has noticed.

 

[Trianon]

Also a question about Soul, is it in any way related to Christianity, or is it the usual "spiritualist" trash that avoids any religious connection despite being based entirely on a religious concept?

It's spiritualist trash. From what I remember, the "heaven" area is a corporate office where they sort you before you go to the other side, and of course nobody knows what it's actually like past that. Mostly it's just overcomplicated, confused worldbuilding that Pixar thinks means good writing now.

 

[Betonhaus]

It's spiritualist trash. From what I remember, the "heaven" area is a corporate office where they sort you before you go to the other side, and of course nobody knows what it's actually like past that. Mostly it's just overcomplicated, confused worldbuilding that Pixar thinks means good writing now.

iirc "heaven" is just shown as an escalator to oblivion. The You Seminar is where the unborn souls hang around to explore what Earth has to offer

 

[starborn427614]

iirc "heaven" is just shown as an escalator to oblivion. The You Seminar is where the unborn souls hang around to explore what Earth has to offer

It's called The Great Before for a reason.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I'd assume they are just doing it as a "family night" thing. Theaters do show old kids' movies and family classics on certain nights. They're just trying to spin it as also a money-making endeavor so they can say they tried to the investors or something.

I enjoy this woman's videos about Disney songwriting (she also has a few deep dives on why the new Little Mermaid songs don't match the original's quality). Here's her breakdown of Wish. Apparently "This Wish" was written in like three weeks and the writers were given only the vaguest "she's an activist" story hook.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7E2SJp1XmTc

I've seen many of her videos before they blew up after the Wish salt, and while I do want to get on board it reeks of misinformation.

Disney and it's productions/music is always been very timely to whatever era they came out in.

Walt wanted to prove that animation as a medium could be taken seriously, and when making Snow White had his animators study popular films and music of the era so that they could utilize them when making the film.

There's a good reason Snow White is so optimistic despite all of the hardship the character endures ( the film was made right smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression)
He also saw the power of charting because who's afraid of the big bad wolf was one of the first Disney songs to become a phenomenon.

The original voice of Jiminy cricket Cliff Edwards was called ukulele ike, and was one of the most popular musicians of his era and he sung the most popular song.

They hired Bing Crosby for The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.

The Sherman Brothers used to ghostwrite for a lot of rock and roll musicians before Disney hired them for Mary Poppins.

The issue wasn't using theater or pop song writers.

It's creating songs that actually fit within the established world.

People like to scapegoat Lin Manuel Miranda for example, but he does have a Broadway background and outside of the little mermaid, all of his songs fit the worlds of the movies he writes for.

Wish's issue is that the songs are so far removed from the movie that there's a love duet between the main character and the evil King.

 

[Axiom.]

I think Fantasia is the best because I am biased because I studied classical music but I think it's really amazing to look at somebody trying to interpret something as abstract as music and twist put into animation. The scenes are really beautiful not just Mickey's broomsticks and Night on Bald Mountain but also Rite of Spring. Other than that, Bambi and Pinocchio because Bambi is really about the beauty of nature and Pinocchio being cautionary for being authentic yourself. Golden age Disney movies will always be the best in my opinion when it comes to animated movies.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

I think Fantasia is the best because I am biased because I studied classical music but I think it's really amazing to look at somebody trying to interpret something as abstract as music and twist put into animation.

So how's Fantasia 2000 in your opinion?

 

[Axiom.]

So how's Fantasia 2000 in your opinion?

Other than the UPA nod, it's okay but as a sequel to the original was too late because by that time it was already 50 years old and since then what they could've done with it was already done by then because we've had time for other cartoons do their own twist with it such as UPA with various ones, Warner Bros by then already had What's Opera Doc? and their soundtracks already had titans such as Dumbo, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and Aladdin. Also they had Leopold who is by all accounts, one of the most influential conductors of all time so it's okay but when it comes to various others, I can go with or without it.

 

[Trianon]

Wish's issue is that the songs are so far removed from the movie that there's a love duet between the main character and the evil King.

All very true, although she addresses that more directly in this video. She uses quotes from Ashman to describe what "Wish" is mostly missing.

Ashman: Music, for me, anyway, is information. It's a way to get character and plot information across, so you want music to be information. We want it to develop story or character in some way so the song will carry its own weight and justify its existence.

Ashman: Our particular tradition integrates music that has something to do with the culture we're living in, something to do with the popular song and not another kind of song that's purely theatrical. I'm telling a story through pop music.

That sums it up. Wish had catchy songs that were devoid of information that was specific to the story and characters. LMM uses pop structure in ways that serve character, even if you don't like his style, and a lot of modern Broadway musicals are perfectly capable of doing this (like Six). Disney has just decoupled storytelling/songwriting for some reason, in a way that seasoned directors and writers would intuitively know is not the best approach.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Disney and it's productions/music is always been very timely to whatever era they came out in.

iirc isn't Tiki Room basically its era's equivalent of Skater Boy and Who Let The Dogs Out

 

[X-avier cuck]

All very true, although she addresses that more directly in this video. She uses quotes from Ashman to describe what "Wish" is mostly missing.




That sums it up. Wish had catchy songs that were devoid of information that was specific to the story and characters. LMM uses pop structure in ways that serve character, even if you don't like his style, and a lot of modern Broadway musicals are perfectly capable of doing this (like Six). Disney has just decoupled storytelling/songwriting for some reason, in a way that seasoned directors and writers would intuitively know is not the best approach.

This sort of reinforces my previous criticism.

What constitutes as a traditional Broadway song changes with each generation.

By her very logic Jesus Christ Superstar is not a Broadway musical, but a rock and roll album which is not the case at all.

What separates a show tune from a generic pop song is that the former's songs are deeply tied to the source material and whatever the story is about.

For example, all of the songs in Encanto are all about generational trauma to the point that it's exhausting, that's how a Broadway musical works.

All the songs in Wish are not only completely divorced from the film, but make little sense when you see the context.

LMM is more or less a modern Gilbert and Sullivan where he takes the contemporary of the time and merges it with the classical Broadway structure to avoid a lot of the issues we see with Wish.

iirc isn't Tiki Room basically its era's equivalent of Skater Boy and Who Let The Dogs Out

Yup.

The truth is that Disney songs were always billboard favorites and so where musical soundtracks.

Even back then, popular musicians would cover Disney songs which would make them chart and eventually cause people to go see the Disney film that the songs originated from.

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

falling hard in selling his soul to corporatism this side of Big Idea.

they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory how anyone born after the 1800s doesn't know to get shit in writing is beyond me, its the exact sort of retarded thinking atheists would mock christians for. they were 2nd only to pokemon when it came to videotapes sold during their height and they did all their business on handshake deals, its so naive. It literally just took one man dying and their entire empire crumpled literally overnight.

Richard is trapped in purgatory

the King and I movie was considered shit when released in theaters and he only produced alpha&omega, from what i remember of his videos even as a kid they weren't quality and thats a big reason he was able to thrive in the "infotainment" field, some crappy tape you buy to keep the kids entertained during CCD or history class. he's always been an eric roberts type, which is why most of his output his entire life was direct to video.

It's for parents

pretty much, kids don't remember most things from their early childhood, or at least not the things you expect them to remember. especially pre-kindergarden. you could pretty much show them porn and they wouldn't remember. Every theater kid i know had parents who considered Rocky Horror an appropriate film to show to kids and they're much more normal than any freaks online. I know plenty of TERFs who's first crush was a certain sweet transvestite and they're also the first to want feeders and foot fetishists' on the wall they're that normal. (sorry null)

People also don't factor in how much of a persons interests are more nature than nurture, so much like drug addiction if you enjoy a certain piece of media your kids will too even if you never introduced it to them. think about musical tastes or taste in art or whether they enjoy camping or being camp. Obviously there are some black sheep but if you enjoy dogshit CW shows so will your kids or grandkids.

So you could even call your kids Fucktard or NiggerFaggot the entire early part of their childhood and they wouldn't remember it unless you told them about it years later.

Kathleen has bad blood with Spielberg and presumably Lucas

THEN WHY DID SPIELBERG RECOMEND HER FOR THE JOB AND WHY DID SHE APPROVE HIS CHOICE FOR THE NEW HAN SOLO? YOUR OWN CLIPS ARE OUT OF CONTEXT AND SHIT, FUCK OFF AND DIE

 

[Kari Kamiya]

especially pre-kindergarden. you could pretty much show them porn and they wouldn't remember.

Why the fuck would you use this analogy here of all places?

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Every theater kid i know had parents who considered Rocky Horror an appropriate film to show to kids

RHPS is so far removed from any real things it might as well be clowns

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

RHPS is so far removed from any real things it might as well be clowns

Still wouldn't risk it. Tim Curry in drag might convince these kids to troon out as they grow older.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

THEN WHY DID SPIELBERG RECOMEND HER FOR THE JOB AND WHY DID SHE APPROVE HIS CHOICE FOR THE NEW HAN SOLO? YOUR OWN CLIPS ARE OUT OF CONTEXT AND SHIT, FUCK OFF AND DIE

Far as the rumors go, she was able to play nice until she got power. She was genuinely very good at networking but little else. Still the Hollywood top is actually a pretty small circle filled with huge egos so who you know and have a good word from weights a ton. Then Disney hired her and she thought this is it, I made it. She went all about me and my legacy because I'm actually smarter than all those men and was just kept down. She really did try to improve Lucas films but was bad at it. She is basically an absolutely horrible narcissist but her relatively low position kept her in check.

Of course there is the other rumor that she is a human equivalent of Epstein files. She has some incredible dirt on the most powerful men in Hollywood and as long as she keeps her job nobody needs to know.

 

[X-avier cuck]

Ariana Debose got mocked at the award show and Wish was snubbed.

What a way to get cooked

 

[nostalgiasorrow]

Binged the three animated diary of a wimpy kid movies and I kind of liked them. I want them to make more. Animation got better in the third one. Maybe it would have been better as a show or used an animation style to the books