Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Betonhaus]

Yeah but Stitch appeals to kids a lot, like kids love the blue gremlin and has a wide appeal.

Snow White had a lot of appeal, with literally generations of kids having fond memories of it. It flopped in theaters.

Stitch definitely won't outsell the Minecraft movie even if it actually does have kids appeal.

 

[UnKillFill]

Snow White had a lot of appeal, with literally generations of kids having fond memories of it. It flopped in theaters.

Stitch definitely won't outsell the Minecraft movie even if it actually does have kids appeal.

It doesn't have to outsell the minecraft movie (which you're right, it won't) in order for Disney to consider it a success. It will absolutely be a success.

 

[starborn427614]

Still not a fan of hyper-realistic Pleakley and such, but I imagine Lilo and Stitch will do fairly well at the box office. Whether it'll be decent is another question entirely.

 

[Betonhaus]

It doesn't have to outsell the minecraft movie (which you're right, it won't) in order for Disney to consider it a success. It will absolutely be a success.

by what standard?

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

Snow White had a lot of appeal, with literally generations of kids having fond memories of it. It flopped in theaters.

Stitch definitely won't outsell the Minecraft movie even if it actually does have kids appeal.

It's hard to cash in on generations of fond memories when you cut most of what caused those memories. I mean, even presuming the online discourse didn't spread and make people's first impression a loud declaration that they were rewriting everything, the dwarfs are hideous so they were clearly trying to avoid showing them in marketing (that's a big chunk of the charm of the original), they cut so many elements that the few recognizable elements they had almost all involved said hideous dwarfs, and even their nostalgic song choices were restricted because they cut most of those, too.

What they had was someone who does not look like Snow White, in an ugly dress with an ugly haircut, a bunch of unrecognizable characters, and ugly dwarfs. Which doesn't really say "come relive the memories!".

Lilo and Stitch looks terrible and it's missing a lot of things that made the original great, but it has the big plot beats so it can go "look, you remember this, right?" without people responding with "no and it's ugly as hell". Sadly, I expect it to do well.

(I think CGI Stitch is just as ugly as the dwarfs, but apparently a lot of people disagree.)

 

[Betonhaus]

Lilo and Stitch looks terrible and it's missing a lot of things that made the original great, but it has the big plot beats so it can go "look, you remember this, right?" without people responding with "no and it's ugly as hell". Sadly, I expect it to do well.

what makes you think it'll have the same plot beats? we already know things have been changed to add more gender and racial politics.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

what makes you think it'll have the same plot beats? we already know things have been changed to add more gender and racial politics.

If it still has the message of "'family' means nobody gets left behind", some people will consider that good enough. Everyone involved in the production would have to have an absolute disdain for the original and concept of families in order to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[UnKillFill]

by what standard?

The only one that matters. It will make a shit ton of money.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Walt is near the earth's core with how much he's spinning in his grave.

They took his baby and fucking obliterated it.

Folly after all.

 

[Betonhaus]

Everyone involved in the production would have to have an absolute disdain for the original and concept of families in order to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

dude
they're liberals.
the last few movies involving family (Red, Encarta) had a dysfunctional family bordering on toxic

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

If it still has the message of "'family' means nobody gets left behind", some people will consider that good enough. Everyone involved in the production would have to have an absolute disdain for the original and concept of families in order to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Watch it be that Evil Orange Hitler uses that Black CIA spook to try to deport either Jumba or Pleetley to the Bukele prison in El Salvador.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

dude
they're liberals.
the last few movies involving family (Red, Encarta) had a dysfunctional family bordering on toxic

Throw Coco in there too. I know it’s a bit older but it counts.

 

[BigBadBastich]

Still not a fan of hyper-realistic Pleakley and such, but I imagine Lilo and Stitch will do fairly well at the box office. Whether it'll be decent is another question entirely.

The worst thing is the aliens will still be stylized and translated to a 3D medium which will make them look like sleep paralysis, flesh abominations. This is why turning 2D movies into live-action remakes doesn’t work. So Pleakley and Jumbaa is unchanged physically speaking while hes interacting with actual humans from our world. Another example (non-Disney at that) is the Warcraft movie from 2016. Realistic humans interacting with heavily stylized CGI orcs, dwarves, gryphons, wearing armor thats not accommodating their bodytypes in cartoony environments from the games.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I think the big problem with the studio and really most of Hollywood is at the art of the compromise has been lost.

The Disney movies have always been created by people who have a very miliad a political differences that I thought of you before.

Walt Disney himself was a conservative, ward Kimball, art babbitt, and Ollie Johnson were leftist and liberal respectively, and together their artistry not their political differences is what made some of the best films of the era

Most of that is lost and we basically just get people that social media circles adore but are contested everywhere else like Rachel zegler.

It is entirely possible to have a conservative animation director, liberal Broadway talents like the lopez's, miranda, or the girls from hadestown, and a centrist script director and they together can make something good if the powers that be allow them to do so but that's not allowed anymore apparently.

 

[Pokemon Conquistador]

I think the big problem with the studio and really most of Hollywood is at the art of the compromise has been lost.

The Disney movies have always been created by people who have a very miliad a political differences that I thought of you before.

Walt Disney himself was a conservative, ward Kimball, art babbitt, and Ollie Johnson were leftist and liberal respectively, and together their artistry not their political differences is what made some of the best films of the era

Most of that is lost and we basically just get people that social media circles adore but are contested everywhere else like Rachel zegler.

It is entirely possible to have a conservative animation director, liberal Broadway talents like the lopez's, miranda, or the girls from hadestown, and a centrist script director and they together can make something good if the powers that be allow them to do so but that's not allowed anymore apparently.

Given what's happened, I wonder if the "compromise" wasn't just a psyop by Leftists to slowly move the window of acceptability in their direction until they could fully capture the institutions, throw out the Conservatives, and fill media full of Clown World slop.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Given what's happened, I wonder if the "compromise" wasn't just a psyop by Leftists to slowly move the window of acceptability in their direction until they could fully capture the institutions, throw out the Conservatives, and fill media full of Clown World slop.

[that meme about "first time?" but it's gun owners omitted for clarity]

 

[That Chris Guy]

When I first saw Frozen back in 2013, I didn't walk away from it thinking, "Yaaaassss queens! Feminism!"

I took at at face value: That it was a story about two estranged sisters becoming a proper family again. It was a fairytale about love in your family; it could easily be shown to kids who are combative siblings or something, you know? In my opinion, the movie immediately grabs at you with the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" sequence, and it really shows the audience what the movie is about.

I still really like the first Frozen movie, and I didn't hate Frozen 2 (it's one of the better recent Disney sequels even if it was overtly ambitious with its story).

Nah, it was shit.

In all seriousness though, I went in following the high of Wreck-It-Ralph and their advertisements for Frozen expecting a lot more. Instead I got pummeled by 3 songs in like the first 10 minutes and I realised what kind of movie I'd walked into. The trolls were useless, and during their whole song I thought, "so the message is that it's okay to cheat on your existing relationship...?" Of course he turns out to be a villain, but they didn't know that, so it was awkward. I think I wanted a more faithful adaptation of The Snow Queen, as it was more akin to what I originally expected.

It's strange too because I liked Tangled just fine.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Stitch should be a puppet imo

 

[X-avier cuck]

Given what's happened, I wonder if the "compromise" wasn't just a psyop by Leftists to slowly move the window of acceptability in their direction until they could fully capture the institutions, throw out the Conservatives, and fill media full of Clown World slop.

It seems to me that somewhere between the dawn of the Disney Renaissance and the era of smartphones and streaming, an entire generation of viewers—millennials, as we came to call them—constructed a new form of pseudo-progressive politics. It wasn't born in the halls of academia or on Capitol Hill, but in comment sections, YouTube essays, and on the pages of early blogs and forums. It was a kind of cultural vigilantism—a belief that pointing out a flaw in a beloved piece of media was tantamount to justice.

This was the ethos behind sites like Cracked.com, the rise of "Cinema Sins," and the endless churn of video essays that purported to "deconstruct" your childhood. It created a generation of critics more interested in being right than in being fair—armed with sarcasm, selective memory, and the need to be applauded for noticing that Aladdin was made in 1992.

From this environment came a style of critique that often mistook the past’s limitations for intentional malice. It forgot that films, like people, are products of their time—not finished arguments, but works caught in the act of becoming.

Enter the next generation—Zoomers, the Tiktok natives—who came of age watching this millennial performative progressivism play out like a tired stage show. In response, many took the opposite approach. Why engage with something that might make you uncomfortable, even a little? Better to dismiss it outright. Better to cancel the screening than to sit with the ambiguity.

And so, we arrive at the current state of discourse—a landscape where Hollywood seems to be simultaneously trying to be “on message” and universally likable, while also terrified of misstep. Where discomfort isn’t the beginning of a deeper truth but a red flag to retreat.

But art is not always safe. Nor should it be. We cannot retroactively sanitize the past, nor should we be afraid of its imperfections. If we lose the ability to grapple with complexity—to see a film as both flawed and formative—we lose something vital not only in our criticism, but in our culture.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I still can't get over instead of designing aliens in disguise they went with just....human Zach Galafanakis and Billy Magnussen :/