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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,577
My personal pet theory is that Wish's story was sabotaged. Comparing the storyboards from the original plot with what we got is like night and day, no one in their right mind would look at the current plot and go "yeah, that's way better." Not to mention there were rumors about "activist interference" not long after Wish's release, but I'm not as sure about that.
I'm pretty sure that before Wish dropped they mentioned it would have big Alphabet Mafia representation. I can't find anything referencing that now, though. Anyone else remember hearing it?

Regardless, I don't buy that what they originally planned for Wish would have been good, because it was still being made by talentless hacks. We would have just had one less degree of separation between us and the wasted potential.
I do think that they knew that the original version would at least be a better product than what we got but pressure forced them to abandon that in favor of a non-sexually attractive mascot so as to not portray heterosexual relationships. In their heart of hearts they knew that that would make the product worse but saw no other choice. Would it have been a masterpiece? No, but it would have been better.
 
Some overpaid exec thought this would sell. Disabled kids don't want a reminder of their own shortcomings in the first place.
It's not that they don't want to be "seen", they just want a handicapped character who actually works and makes accomplishments in spite of it. That's why Hiccup and Edward Elric are beloved characters, they have admirable traits and flaws that are very human and could do remarkable things even though they have prosthetics. Even a blind girl in Arthur was shown to still be living relatively normal despite her disability (though I dunno what blind kids thought of her lol). And that reminds me, there's also Toph from A:TLA even though I haven't seen the show.

What has this fat bitch character done, exactly?
 
they just want a handicapped character who actually works and makes accomplishments in spite of it. [...]there's also Toph from A:TLA even though I haven't seen the show.
Toph is a really good example of a well handled character with some form of a handicap.
In the original Avatar the earth benders specifically were portrayed as having more of a brute force approach than other elemental users. Toph as an earth bender stands out among them because of how she pays attention to her environment; since she can't see, she instead senses even the smallest seismic activity through her earth bending, even the smallest footsteps.
And being this uniquely attuned to her element made her a good mentor for Aang the protagonist who has to learn water, earth and fire bending over the course of the show.
This much care and thought behind characters and how they relate to the setting they're in has completely died out.
 
Please explain.
It was a rumor I heard not long after Wish's release, I tried searching it up but all mentions of activist interference go back to two videos by Film Threat (1, 2). The fags at Film Threat ramble a lot yet say very little of substance so here's my TL;DW:

They did a negative review of Wish which ended up in them receiving emails written by Disney artists and animators. All of these emails mentioned that the industry veterans were being pushed out by activists who came straight from Tumblr and had no clue what they were doing, and many of the decisions that led to Wish being a failure can be traced back to them, like their godawful attempt at recreating 2D animation using 3D. It's also worth noting that Asha is described in the artbook as an activist:
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Film Threat never posted any evidence that they were contacted by Disney animators, so take what they say with a grain of salt. Also, none of this directly explains why they rewrote the plot to be worse, but I think @Incecticyder's theory is likely true, perhaps they wrote that first plot to see what they could get away with and they didn't get away with much.
 
Disney is such a giant failure nowadays. A few japanese anime studios have figured out how to make 3D look like amazing 2D and Disney - the animation pioneer and multi billion company, can't do it.
They haven't really succeeded at it, you can still it's 3D with a 2D shader thrown on top, and it doesn't look good, it's looks kinda cheap.

I forgot the name of the Disney short it was, I think it had Paper in the title, where they wanted to combine CG with 2D, but from the little bits I saw, it looked good.
 
They haven't really succeeded at it, you can still it's 3D with a 2D shader thrown on top, and it doesn't look good, it's looks kinda cheap.
Don’t forget that certain anime styles have have a difficult time being translated into 3D without looking weird, it’s part of the reason why Studio Ghibli’s Earwig and the Witch is still the only 3D CGI film.
I forgot the name of the Disney short it was, I think it had Paper in the title, where they wanted to combine CG with 2D, but from the little bits I saw, it looked good.
You’re thinking of Paperman, IIRC part of the reason why its animation style wasn’t used in theatrical films was due to it being very intensive in terms of labor and time spent.
 
, like their godawful attempt at recreating 2D animation using 3D.
They also claimed the whole movie was animated in three to four months, which didn't help the look at all. Would also explain the camera shortcuts which they also claimed was because no one can animate horses anymore, which sounds hilarious until you remember that Adam of YMS made an odd comment about how the leopard/jaguar(?) in Encanto was animated really weird, in that it doesn't move like a jungle cat. He's not an animator at all, just a weirdo furry YouTuber, and yet he noticed something was off. (I think the clip was posted here a year ago, or is in his thread.)

There's definitely something going on with the quality in Disney and Pixar that we can only speculate based on the finished products until some brave soul decides to say "fuck it" and release evidence of activism and sabotage happening in the background.
 
It was a rumor I heard not long after Wish's release, I tried searching it up but all mentions of activist interference go back to two videos by Film Threat (1, 2). The fags at Film Threat ramble a lot yet say very little of substance so here's my TL;DW:

They did a negative review of Wish which ended up in them receiving emails written by Disney artists and animators. All of these emails mentioned that the industry veterans were being pushed out by activists who came straight from Tumblr and had no clue what they were doing, and many of the decisions that led to Wish being a failure can be traced back to them, like their godawful attempt at recreating 2D animation using 3D. It's also worth noting that Asha is described in the artbook as an activist:
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Film Threat never posted any evidence that they were contacted by Disney animators, so take what they say with a grain of salt. Also, none of this directly explains why they rewrote the plot to be worse, but I think @Incecticyder's theory is likely true, perhaps they wrote that first plot to see what they could get away with and they didn't get away with much.
I do think it is worth mentioning that there are few times when some woke media gets made by a single person. For proper bland and inoffensive wokeness, you need a village of activists to chip away any character or appeal until there is nothing but "The Message" is left. No one starts out wanting to do something boring.
 
Wasn't one of the claims about Wish that the animators needed to be of the same identity as the characters they were animating? I seem to recall that and people saying the animation was clearly different standards for different characters. Basic fundamentals of animating was not there. Maybe something about the horses weren't animated correctly. I don't know, this is probably a worthless post.
 
Wasn't one of the claims about Wish that the animators needed to be of the same identity as the characters they were animating? I seem to recall that and people saying the animation was clearly different standards for different characters.
Holy shit that is absolutely retarded if true. It's so outlandish that I can believe it, but there is no fucking way they were able to get away with that.
 
It's not that they don't want to be "seen", they just want a handicapped character who actually works and makes accomplishments in spite of it. That's why Hiccup and Edward Elric are beloved characters, they have admirable traits and flaws that are very human and could do remarkable things even though they have prosthetics. Even a blind girl in Arthur was shown to still be living relatively normal despite her disability (though I dunno what blind kids thought of her lol). And that reminds me, there's also Toph from A:TLA even though I haven't seen the show.

What has this fat bitch character done, exactly?

It's hard to tell because the movie is really vague and confusing and makes it seem like the king's castle is completely empty except for these seven teenagers that just hang around his basement doing odd jobs, but she makes cookies for the king and apparently likes baking so maybe she's doing alright for herself? The disability doesn't affect anything, it's a checkmark.

The movie gave Asha seven friends so they would be like the seven dwarfs and so they could checklist minorities, but no one involved understood why those characters worked so they all suck. She's Doc so she's the leader, and if anything the movie is way too positive with her, she's got no flaws or quirks or anything that makes her fun to actually watch.
 
Not only does the live action "song" not hold up to the original, it doesn't even hold up to the the "second rate" original sequel villain song for Jafar...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=10S428LRcUY
This isn't a super amazing song, but I want to give it credit for being a Mirror of "Friend like me" which shows that the people who made it watched the first movie and were attempting to do something interesting.
 
They also claimed the whole movie was animated in three to four months, which didn't help the look at all. Would also explain the camera shortcuts which they also claimed was because no one can animate horses anymore, which sounds hilarious until you remember that Adam of YMS made an odd comment about how the leopard/jaguar(?) in Encanto was animated really weird, in that it doesn't move like a jungle cat. He's not an animator at all, just a weirdo furry YouTuber, and yet he noticed something was off. (I think the clip was posted here a year ago, or is in his thread.)
Really sad when you think of the work that went into the classics.
 
It's hard to tell because the movie is really vague and confusing and makes it seem like the king's castle is completely empty except for these seven teenagers that just hang around his basement doing odd jobs, but she makes cookies for the king and apparently likes baking so maybe she's doing alright for herself? The disability doesn't affect anything, it's a checkmark.

The movie gave Asha seven friends so they would be like the seven dwarfs and so they could checklist minorities, but no one involved understood why those characters worked so they all suck. She's Doc so she's the leader, and if anything the movie is way too positive with her, she's got no flaws or quirks or anything that makes her fun to actually watch.
Wish wanted references and DEI more than it wanted a good story.
 
They haven't really succeeded at it, you can still it's 3D with a 2D shader thrown on top, and it doesn't look good, it's looks kinda cheap.
It may be shaders. I don't know but I was extremely impressed how Gundam managed to recreate late 70s early 80s animation.



 
Its just so painful and sad when you compare the live actions next to the animated originals

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eTHLxDO3J4c

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ou6GFVgoxfI
Do the parents even know the original animated ones exist? I would be ashamed if I made the live action slop the baseline for my children. I guess it speaks to how checked out parents are these days that they don't seem to give a shit that these make a bajillion dollars. No wonder laws to babysit everyones children are so popular.
Animated original: Jafar launches the palace tower Aladdin is in like a rocket

Live action remake: Jafar taps his staff against the floor to teleport Aladdin

The only thing more soulless are the comments in the remake clip praising the scene.
 
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