Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I wonder if SW9 bombing can affect Disney, or did the corporation reached a "goo big to fail" status.

Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Anyone know why Disney threw away 2D animated films? I miss them.

They wanted to chase a trend. And when they tried to do 2D again, they bombed spectacularly. But that was their fault for releasing those films against bigger films.

 

[Duncan Hills Coffee]

Even more humorous, there's been American stuff farmed off to North Korea. The Simpsons Movie for example.

Are you serious? I'd never heard that before but that's insane.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Are you serious? I'd never heard that before but that's insane.

Like I said, South Korean companies occasionally send some of their work up north. Rough Draft did that for the Simpsons movie.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

They wanted to chase a trend. And when they tried to do 2D again, they bombed spectacularly. But that was their fault for releasing those films against bigger films.

I'm still convinced that was done on purpose. Disney should've known wholeheartedly that pitting Princess and the Frog up against James Cameron's Avatar was going to be disastrous, and that Winnie the Pooh had no chance against Harry Potter.

Also where's the 2D Frozen footage? Why wasn't that put in the special features?

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I'm still convinced that was done on purpose. Disney should've known wholeheartedly that pitting Princess and the Frog up against James Cameron's Avatar was going to be disastrous, and that Winnie the Pooh had no chance against Harry Potter.

Or releasing John Carter in a competitive slot with The Avengers for that matter.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Like I said, South Korean companies occasionally send some of their work up north. Rough Draft did that for the Simpsons movie.

That actually surprised me considering AKOM worked with SEK on Empress Chung, I'd assume they'd be the ones to farm their work out to the Norks.

 

[MysticMisty]

They wanted to chase a trend. And when they tried to do 2D again, they bombed spectacularly. But that was their fault for releasing those films against bigger films.

Not the first time they did that. The Rescuers Down Under was pitted against fucking Home Alone.

 

[GenociderSyo]

If only Disney did horror something like this sounds like it woulda been awesome:

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

Anyone know why Disney threw away 2D animated films? I miss them.

A lot of people say that traditional 2d animation is more expensive to do now that 3d has gotten cheaper over the years.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

A lot of people say that traditional 2d animation is more expensive to do now that 3d has gotten cheaper over the years.

Thing is though, CGI is still pretty damn expensive. for VFX, it might be cheaper than over a decade before, but full animation? That shit still needs hundred of millions to do (unless you're Illumination or some other cheap studio like Splash or Assemblage, but they cut corners)

 

[Gar For Archer]

A lot of people say that traditional 2d animation is more expensive to do now that 3d has gotten cheaper over the years.

I think they’re expensive and time-consuming in different ways.

2D animation you have to spend a lot of time actually drawing all the frames. Good-looking 2D animation is all done by hand. 3D animation is more like manipulating virtual puppets, and you can get a scene rough-cut a lot quicker, but it needs to bake for a long time in a rendering farm.

Obviously that’s simplifying it a lot, but my impression is for that reason 2D films take a lot more skill and man-hours, whereas 3D films take a lot of computing power.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

There would be added expenses to make a new hand drawn film since Disney would essentially have to rebuild the department. I could be wrong, but I believe the 2011 Winnie the Pooh (which is really charming) was an effort to make one on a lower budget, but it was released in such a way that guaranteed it would lose money. It would have never been an enormous money maker, but it probably would have had some decent legs if it were released in August-October.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I think they’re expensive and time-consuming in different ways.

2D animation you have to spend a lot of time actually drawing all the frames. Good-looking 2D animation is all done by hand. 3D animation is more like manipulating virtual puppets, and you can get a scene rough-cut a lot quicker, but it needs to bake for a long time in a rendering farm.

Obviously that’s simplifying it a lot, but my impression is for that reason 2D films take a lot more skill and man-hours, whereas 3D films take a lot of computing power.

You also have to take into consideration that in order for a 3D feature film to render out, they'd have to have the power on as much as they can. And that ain't cheap either. Plus all the technical artists (i.e. the lighting, rendering and effects crew and R&D department) don't come cheap either.

 

[neverendingmidi]

You also have to take into consideration that in order for a 3D feature film to render out, they'd have to have the power on as much as they can. And that ain't cheap either. Plus all the technical artists (i.e. the lighting, rendering and effects crew and R&D department) don't come cheap either.

It does when you ship it overseas to India! I don't think Disney has any lower level animators of any kind in the States anymore. There's the idea people, and probably some nepotistic people in the department, but all the actual animation work is pajeets after they cleaned house from Princess and the Frog. Seriously, look in the credits.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

It does when you ship it overseas to India! I don't think Disney has any lower level animators of any kind in the States anymore. There's the idea people, and probably some nepotistic people in the department, but all the actual animation work is pajeets after they cleaned house from Princess and the Frog. Seriously, look in the credits.

I have, and I'm pretty sure Wreck-it Ralph and Moana were done in the US. I think you're confusing those for the Lion King remake.

 

[TheShaggMan]

I honestly hate what this company has become, this place was built a pond a man's dream to foster creativity and imagination; now it's only a total shill of itself with a greedy CEO who thinks catering to the lowest common denominator with contemporary politics is a good idea. Also, fuck them for buying out all these other companies to lure in people with nostalgia.

 

[Trilby]

I honestly hate what this company has become, this place was built a pond a man's dream to foster creativity and imagination; now it's only a total shill of itself with a greedy CEO who thinks catering to the lowest common denominator with contemporary politics is a good idea. Also, fuck them for buying out all these other companies to lure in people with nostalgia.

That is truly the saddest part of all this. None if this would happen if Walt was still with us.

 

[Saxxon]

I honestly hate what this company has become, this place was built a pond a man's dream to foster creativity and imagination; now it's only a total shill of itself with a greedy CEO who thinks catering to the lowest common denominator with contemporary politics is a good idea. Also, fuck them for buying out all these other companies to lure in people with nostalgia.

That is truly the saddest part of all this. None if this would happen if Walt was still with us.

Walt died way to soon for him to make sure that executives didn't fuck with the idea that he had for his company, almost every big decision fell on him and you can tell because after his dead no one had the slightest fuck of what to do, not even his bother or nephew doesn't matter how many times they said "this is what Walt would do" because you can't simply pretend that you know how his mind worked 100%. Also, I hate how Disney (company) tries to always make Walt into some kind of saint (which he wasn't).

 

[TheShaggMan]

Walt died way to soon for him to make sure that executives didn't fuck with the idea that he had for his company, almost every big decision fell on him and you can tell because after his dead no one had the slightest fuck of what to do, not even his bother or nephew doesn't matter how many times they said "this is what Walt would do" because you can't simply pretend that you know how his mind worked 100%. Also, I hate how Disney (company) tries to always make Walt into some kind of saint (which he wasn't).

You mean how they try villainize him? Sure, he may had done some questionable things; but you got to remember the time period he was raised in, people always nowadays try to make him out as some kind of evil man who wanted to control everything. But of course it's the opposite of that; he wanted others to use their skills as a way to not only show themselves what they are truly capable of, but to bring people together with their own creativity.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

You mean how they try villainize him? Sure, he may had done some questionable things; but you got to remember the time period he was raised in, people always nowadays try to make him out as some kind of evil man who wanted to control everything. But of course it's the opposite of that; he wanted others to use their skills as a way to not only show themselves what they are truly capable of, but to bring people together with their own creativity.

Probably, but some of the things he's been popularly accused of have some basis in fact.

There's no evidence he was outright anti-Semitic, for example, but he did meet with Leni Riefenstahl right after Kristallnacht, when everyone else in Hollywood would not. Of course, do keep in mind there's no evidence he was actually a Nazi sympathizer.