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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
Steamboat_Bill said:
Probably, but some of the things he's been popularly accused of have some basis in fact.

There's no evidence he was outright anti-Semitic, for example, but he did meet with Leni Riefenstahl right after Kristallnacht, when everyone else in Hollywood would not. Of course, do keep in mind there's no evidence he was actually a Nazi sympathizer.
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He was very anti-Nazi, he wouldn't had made all that anti-Nazi propaganda if he didn't believe in it. He also apparently hired two Jewish brothers to do music for some of his movies.
 
TheShaggMan said:
He was very anti-Nazi, he wouldn't had made all that anti-Nazi propaganda if he didn't believe in it. He also apparently hired two Jewish brothers to do music for some of his movies.
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All of that came during after we declared war. Like I said, there's no real evidence he was a Nazi sympathizer but when you meet with Leni Riefenstahl and no one else in Hollywood will you are going to get tagged as anti-Semitic. Which, again, there is no evidence for either.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
All of that came during after we declared war. Like I said, there's no real evidence he was a Nazi sympathizer but when you meet with Leni Riefenstahl and no one else in Hollywood will you are going to get tagged as anti-Semitic. Which, again, there is no evidence for either.
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It sucks to have no concrete evidence to know for sure; if Walt is guilty of something, he should still be view in the same way that most other necessary evils are remembered as.
 
TheShaggMan said:
He was very anti-Nazi, he wouldn't had made all that anti-Nazi propaganda if he didn't believe in it. He also apparently hired two Jewish brothers to do music for some of his movies.
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Robert and Richard Sherman? To say that they wrote "some" music for Walt Disney might be the understatement of the year.

Steamboat_Bill said:
All of that came during after we declared war. Like I said, there's no real evidence he was a Nazi sympathizer but when you meet with Leni Riefenstahl and no one else in Hollywood will you are going to get tagged as anti-Semitic.
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But that would be a side-effect of how heavily Jewish Hollywood was at the highest levels (Walt was the only Gentile studio head at the time, if memory serves). Many prominent non-Jewish Americans were pretty blasé about National Socialist Germany (and outright supportive in some cases) up until the outbreak of hostilities.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
But that would be a side-effect of how heavily Jewish Hollywood was at the highest levels (Walt was the only Gentile studio head at the time, if memory serves). Many prominent non-Jewish Americans were pretty blasé about National Socialist Germany (and outright supportive in some cases) up until the outbreak of hostilities.
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This was right after Kristallnacht, though. Riefenstahl had publicly praised Hitler beforehand and met with Henry Ford, whose anti-Semitism, needless to say, was very well known. Everyone in Hollywood was publicly refusing her service. Every studio barred the door to her... except Walt.

Like I said, however, none of this means Walt was a Nazi sympathizer. There were actors in the movies he made that were, but there's no evidence he was. People will tell you he didn't hire Jews, but that's pretty blatantly untrue.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
This was right after Kristallnacht, though. Riefenstahl had publicly praised Hitler beforehand and met with Henry Ford, whose anti-Semitism, needless to say, was very well known. Everyone in Hollywood was publicly refusing her service. Every studio barred the door to her... except Walt.
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Just sayin' that, as the example of Henry Ford could potentially suggest, Walt's getting in touch with Riefenstahl might not have appeared as such a singular event if Hollywood's upper echelons had been a little more "diverse" at the time.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Probably, but some of the things he's been popularly accused of have some basis in fact.

There's no evidence he was outright anti-Semitic, for example, but he did meet with Leni Riefenstahl right after Kristallnacht, when everyone else in Hollywood would not. Of course, do keep in mind there's no evidence he was actually a Nazi sympathizer.
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It was a pretty natural pairing. Walt and Leni were both interested in technology and the future of film-making rather than politics.

Naive at the time, anathema at the moment. But there's a reason everyone watches Triumph of the Will in film class...
 
I got the impression from the chatter over the years that he didn't have an issue working with Jews but wasn't necessarily a fan of them.

Also I like the chatter on Twitter about Lilo wrecking DW's shit.
 
So the Disney+ version of "The Muppet Christmas Carol" cut out the song "The Love is Gone" from the movie, and it really pisses me the fuck off.
It was one of the few pieces of the movie that makes you emotionally invested and as far as I can tell it's the only part missing.

The only possible reason I can think for them to remove it was because it's a sad song and it may bum kids out.

If so, that's fucking stupid.
 
NOT Sword Fighter Super said:
So the Disney+ version of "The Muppet Christmas Carol" cut out the song "The Love is Gone" from the movie, and it really pisses me the fuck off.
It was one of the few pieces of the movie that makes you emotionally invested and as far as I can tell it's the only part missing.

The only possible reason I can think for them to remove it was because it's a sad song and it may bum kids out.

If so, that's fucking stupid.
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lol paying for things
 
Cyril Sneer said:
Robert and Richard Sherman? To say that they wrote "some" music for Walt Disney might be the understatement of the year.
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They certainly wrote a lot.
NOT Sword Fighter Super said:
Nah man, I got it for free from Verizon.
I'd never pay for that shit.
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Well that's good to hear, knowing the BS that was going to happen with Disney+, nothing on it was worth paying it for it anyway in my book.
 
Trilby said:
They certainly wrote a lot.

Well that's good to hear, knowing the BS that was going to happen with Disney+, nothing on it was worth paying it for it anyway in my book.
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Yeah, if you have an unlimited data plan with a Verizon cell account you get a year of it for free.
Just them cutting that one thing out makes me glad I got the free year, because I'd be pissed otherwise.
 
NOT Sword Fighter Super said:
So the Disney+ version of "The Muppet Christmas Carol" cut out the song "The Love is Gone" from the movie, and it really pisses me the fuck off.
It was one of the few pieces of the movie that makes you emotionally invested and as far as I can tell it's the only part missing.

The only possible reason I can think for them to remove it was because it's a sad song and it may bum kids out.

If so, that's fucking stupid.
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They’re using the theatrical cut, then? The song wasn’t in the original release.
 
So my husband and I were gifted a full year of Disney+ for Christmas.

I've been watching a few Christmas classics so far, but tonight I checked out Noelle (the exclusive Disney+ Christmas movie).

Yeah, it's not very good. It's far from the worst thing I've ever seen, and the actors are doing their best to make it work (and a lot of the time the actors succeed at making it just charming enough), but the story feels uninspired. The movie obviously took a LOT of inspiration from both Elf and Arthur Christmas. This works against the movie in a big way because the themes/story/humor this movie tries to do have been done so much better before. And I am convinced the third act didn't know how to end the movie, so the movie decides to go woke instead of actually writing an ending. "What? A woman as Santa?! Harumph harumph!" Hammer-to-the-head preaching, lazy writing ... We are all familiar with this kind of bullshit these days. It's a feminist message that's only there because they didn't know what else to do, I think. I don't even believe that the filmmakers believe in the forced message; I firmly believe the filmmakers legitimately did not know how to finish the movie, because the whole "but she's a WOMAN" stuff came from out of nowhere.

On the plus side, I do like how the movie looks aside from some obvious green screen moments and some cheaper CGI. For the most part, the movie looks happy and Christmas-y.

There was also a side plot involving Noelle's cousin that was actually hilarious. He's a hipster tech guy (thick glasses and all), and through some happenstance, he becomes Santa. With the tech that he has, he determines that most children are naughty (because they don't pass HIS purity test), he drinks soy eggnog, and he wants to deliver gifts to the few nice children via drones. He basically sucks out all of the fun with Christmas. Complete killjoy. In every scene he's in as Santa, they change his appearance to make him look even more beta. By the time his hair goes gray at the end of the movie, they literally put his hair up in a manbun. That made me laugh out loud.
 
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