Culture Diversity Was Supposed to Make Us Rich. Not So Much.


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When management consulting firm McKinsey declared in 2015 that it had found a link between profits and executive racial and gender diversity, it was a breakthrough. The research was used by investors, lobbyists and regulators to push for more women and minority groups on boards, and to justify investing in companies that appointed them.

Unfortunately, the research doesn’t show what everyone thought it showed.

There are obvious benefits of diverse corporate leadership for society, both in providing role models and in showing a commitment to promoting the best people, irrespective of skin color or gender. But doing it because it is the right thing is not the same as doing it because it makes more money.

Since 2015, the approach has been tested in the fire of the marketplace and failed. Academics have tried to repeat McKinsey’s findings and failed, concluding that there is in fact no link between profitability and executive diversity. And the methodology of McKinsey’s early studies, which helped create the widespread belief that diversity is good for profits, is being questioned.

McKinsey has tried to remedy one of the most obvious flaws. It originally linked profits over several years with diversity at the end of the period, meaning the most it could prove is that profitability led to more diversity, not the other way around. In its latest study, it said it had now run the tests using diversity at the start of the period, and still found a correlation.

“In light of a recent study criticizing our methodologies, we have reviewed our research and continue to stand by its findings—that diverse leadership teams are associated with a higher likelihood of financial outperformance,” McKinsey said. “We have also been clear and consistent that our research identifies correlation, not causation, and that those two things are not the same.”

The trouble is that McKinsey behaves as though the studies do show causation, constantly talking of the corporate benefits of diversity.

Even the correlation is in doubt. Academics can’t replicate McKinsey’s study precisely, because it keeps secret the names of the companies it used. But a paper published this year finds that McKinsey’s methodology doesn’t show benefits from diversity for S&P 500 companies for a range of profitability metrics. It isn’t that a lack of diversity is good for profits either, it’s just there’s no link.

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THE ‘FEARLESS GIRL’ STATUE STANDS OUTSIDE THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE.

This shouldn’t come as a surprise. If companies could boost their profits as easily as McKinsey suggested—the most-diverse firms had a 39 percentage point higher chance of higher-than-average profit margins than the least-diverse—then surely companies would have rushed to promote more women and minority racial groups.

“It seemed implausible because companies would have jumped on it and the advantages would be competed away,” said John Hand, an accounting professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. With Jeremiah Green of Texas A&M University, he found no results that were statistically significant when repeating McKinsey’s study for the S&P 500. McKinsey keeps secret the names of the companies in its study, which in 2015 included 186 from the U.S. and Canada, so it can’t be independently verified.

This matters, because the McKinsey study was hugely influential. McKinsey’s research figures first in BlackRock’s references for supporting a board diversity target of 30% in its proxy voting guidelines. It featured prominently among studies used by a Securities and Exchange Commission commissioner in 2020 to explain why she supported corporate disclosure of diversity metrics. Nasdaq cited it as evidence when the exchange applied to the SEC for a rule requiring companies it lists to have minimum diversity on boards, or explain why they don’t. It has been cited by dozens of campaign groups pushing for rules to support consideration of social issues by pension funds and others, too.

McKinsey’s influence wasn’t only on policy, which ought anyway to consider moral and societal issues as well as purely financial ones. BlackRock and Refinitiv, now part of the London Stock Exchange Group, cited the study as evidence of financial benefits from diversity when they created an ETF that tracked a diversity index. That index has lagged badly behind since its 2018 launch, returning about 55% against more than 70% for the global index without diversity conditions.

This seems to be less about diversity than the choice of how to invest in it. The ETF is equal-weighted, which has held it back as giant stocks beat the rest of the market. Because of the diversity requirements, it held a lot more banks and insurers, and less technology, than the market as a whole.

A similar fund was created earlier by State Street Global Advisors with the ticker SHE. It was promoted through the “Fearless Girl” statue—briefly installed opposite Wall Street’s bronze bull and now opposite the New York Stock Exchange—and backed by research from MSCI, which claimed a 36% higher return on equity for firms with at least three women on the board, or “strong female leadership.”

A moment’s thought would suggest this was far too high a figure to be explained by the presence of a handful of women, and subsequent deep underperformance shows skepticism was the right response. Since its 2016 launch the fund’s return has lagged more than 70 percentage points behind that of the top 1,000 companies, from which it selected before switching to an MSCI gauge two years ago. It has shrunk from a peak of $400 million to $245 million.

McKinsey said in its original paper that “it stands to reason…that more diverse companies are better able to win top talent, and improve their customer orientation, employee satisfaction, and decision-making, leading to a virtuous cycle of increasing returns.” Common sense also says it’s easier to avoid potentially catastrophic groupthink if people have a range of different experiences.

Common sense also insists that it’s important to build team spirit and trust, where people with a shared background have a head start. University of Chicago law professor Lisa Bernstein showed this for New York’s Jewish diamond dealers, who would score zero for diversity but gained financially by the trust from their common heritage. Similar studies have shown the same for other small ethnic business groups.

Bernstein thinks such trust can be built from networks of social connections, but it comes built-in for some backgrounds.

Skin color and sex don’t perfectly capture diversity of thought, anyway. A privately-educated Black Harvard Business School graduate would probably think much the same way about business as a white one. A top female New York lawyer may have a similar experience of life—or lack of it—as a male one. McKinsey’s diversity of thought suggestions don’t extend to, for example, appointing worker representatives to the board, even though their ideas might well be quite different to those of senior management.

Finally, correlation is not causation! McKinsey repeatedly says in its study that it only found a correlation. The Aztecs mistook correlation for causation with tragic results, cutting out the heart of a victim to rekindle fire every 52 years in order to ensure the world’s survival. There was a strong correlation between the human sacrifice and the world not ending—but no causation.

Investors don’t risk having vital organs removed, but they should pay more attention to the studies they rely on.




We've had a study done earlier this year, this is yet another one.

Nothing we didn't already know - prioritizing anything other than ability leads to a decline in ability. who would have guessed that one?!

Also, it's interesting how McKinsey is now being put into question. Who could be behind those studies...?
 
It was a commercial. It was a fucking commercial.
Not just that, but a commercial that deliberately ignores the concept of Bull and Bear markets to piss people off.

In the end it's not the end of the world, but it's a stupid addition that completely changes the meaning of the bull statue. It's supposed to be about markets, not progressivism or whatever.
 
Do you ever regret it? Genuine question.
Do you think you’d have kept working there if you hadn’t needed to stop for family?
i work in the pharma type space and often struggle with the ethics, even though what I do has probably saved a few lives and improved a lot of health, it’s also enriched some bad people. I feel a bit conflicted
Genuine answer: not one minute of it, ever; absolutely fuck yes I'd have stayed on.
I have no ethical problem at all, and I will beg indulgence to explain why. I don't really talk about this, for obvious reasons, but hell, I had a drink watching the football.
It's quite simple; I was born and grew up in Coatbridge in the 80s.
In the 80s, there were quite a lot of people working the sort of middle management-y jobs that we are now talking about being rightsized and DEI-marked. A lot of your dads, and mums, fellow kiwis, probably had a job like that. Mum could probably stay at home, or at least work part time. This is the last of the 'trad golden age' when dad made enough money to keep the family fairly comfortable. A chunk of you reading this probably had at least one parent who was university educated, and back then you were probably living well. The sort of STEM-y type jobs that a lot of Kiwis have now.
Even if your dad, in particular, wasn't university educated, there was still a huge range of opportunities for guys without a degree to rise up the ranks in an organisation. My dad was doing that at the time. Picked up a degree part time later on to get him through the eventual "no degree" barrier.
There were a lot of nice families like that, and like I say, probably a fair number of you came from them. Like Keir Starmer, and his daddy that was a toolmaker, and his mammy that was a nurse.
There were a few things these kind of families had in common, and the most important one for this story is this: they all voted Tory. Wel,, why wouldn't they vote Tory? The 1980s saw an enormous wealth transfer out of public owned hands into private hands, and a huge rise in the prices of 'nice enough' three bed houses. A lot of people's mums and dads got nice and comfortable in the 1980s.
What we got, us in Coatbridge, was heroin. Glasgow and Lanarkshire, in particular, got the worst heroin problem in all of Europe. The Tories who were enriching the lower middle classes of middle England did it in part by destroying what was left of our mining and heavy manufacturing industries and selling off the remains to make the money with which they paid for the tax cuts of the lower middle class. Unskilled and low skilled labour, and the overwhelming economic support of Coatbridge, Airdrie, Motherwell, the whole swathe of west and central Scotland.
But what jobs and industries came to replace that, you ask? Learn to code, right? Fuck all, is the answer. Sweet fuck all.
What replaced work and its dignity - and there is dignity, particularly for a man, in earning a wage and keeping his family, was benefits, alcohol and drugs.
The mums and dads of us lot, they went on the skag and drink and the dole, and we were all fucked. Our schools were wastelands, because the funny thing is it's quite difficult to come to school and try hard when your schools attract only the worst teachers, and you've been up half the night with your parents battering each other drunk, and you've no shoes with no holes because your dad's drunk the dole money.
Since you don't have any meaningful community, and it's not like any of you want to be at home since all you get is battered, and there's no food and no heating because your parents have fucking drunk it and shot it up, you hang around the streets with your pals. In a gang. You join a fucking gang for the company, and the protection, and so you can steal some of the things you'll never be able to buy. And to get your practice for your future in, drinking Buckie and trying whatever tranquilisers you can steal. Then you get a knife, and the likeliest of you get the notice of the guys who ensure the heroin keeps going, and that's going to be your career, now, a heavy for a drug dealer. In and out the jail until someone kills you or you pick up the fifteen year stretch that spits you out into the community at nearly fifty, a single male homeless. Bottom of the housing priority list. You get to be sent to the literal dosshouses, the Great Eastern or the fucking Bellgrove, places literally alive with fleas and bedbugs and lice and rats, and you all get turned out every morning to drink Tennents Special on the steps until you die of liver failure.
The lassies get a taste, and they go on the skag, and they go on the streets. Or you get a couple of weans by a no-neck, and you'll get a council flat - which in other parts of the UK they are condemning as unliveable, at the same time as Strathclyde council are sending you to live in them - and a giro. And you can take up the prescriptions drugs and sixty fags a day, and wait around to die.
This meritocracy that everyone in current year bemoans so much? This meritocracy that stopped the 'unfair' iron rule of life whereby a white man (and the odd woman) with a respectable background and a decent education got on in life just fine without any concern for the dregs of society? That meritocracy didn't exist for people like us. We were scum, council house dole scum, and we were expected to know our fucking place.
Some of the smartest kids I've ever met never even finished high school. No one cared. The lower middle and middle class of England? The Tory voting mums and dads with their nice wee seaside holidays and ohh a package deal to Spain? They did not give a single fuck about how we were living, when it was our industries and our public services and the upkeep of our homes that were slashed and burned to pay for their nice little nest eggs and house price rises.
This is the "traditional values" of Britain that are bemoaned in the right wing press, and I don't mean any offence, but often in discussion here. They don't mean a fucking thing to me. I don't give a fuck if those 'values' and those 'times' and that 'society' get blown away by 'wokery' and 'socialism', because that society had no more place for me in it than Hollywood did. These nice 'traditional Conservative voters' and 'new aspirational Conservative voters' shat on us over and over for being dole scum and single mothers and Jock alcoholics.
We don't forget that. I don't talk about this, because it's not something you can forget. It shaped my entire character. When Mrs Thatcher said 'there is no such thing as society', and the lower middle class heard that they wouldn't have to pay for these dole scum any more, what I heard was: you're on your fucking own. If I was going to make a better life for myself, there was precisely one person who was going to do it, and it was me. I knew that from I was a kid. I didn't have a nice middle class house and a reasonable likelihood of going to uni. My dad had a job, yes, and he worked very hard. He also worked very hard at being an alcoholic when he was home, trying to work away in London as much as possible, and when he was away he worked quite hard on a series of affairs. We found out about a couple of them when we started to get the weird deliveries to the house, the weird phonecalls and all that shit. That was obviously really helpful for me trying to handle my mum. My mum didn't have a job. What she did have was unmedicated bipolar, psychotic breaks, and a firm belief that I was my dad's favourite so I could just be the surrogate for all the abuse he ran away from taking.
And I did. She was violent and terrifying, and she abused me in literally every way you can imagine. This isn't some rare and uncommon story, you know. This is how it is when you grow up where I did.
I had two things going for me in life; a very pretty face and an awful lot of smarts, and if it killed me I would use one or the other to get the fuck away from these people. I did it. I got a scholarship to go to rich and fancy school, where I was rightly mercilessly bullied for being a scum bitch, and a kind parent of a friend (thank you, R, forever) put up the money for elocution lessons so at least I didn't sound like dole scum any more.
I worked hard. I excelled. I endured mother. I went to uni. I met my beloved husband, who is the best person I know. He took me in when she kicked me out. I owe him everything. I have worked all my adult life to support him, financially and otherwise, and done everything I can for him, because he deserves that. He has a lovely family. A lovely upbringing. I have explained all this childhood shite to him, but he is a sweet, kind, thoughtful, gentle person in part because he wasn't like me: he never needed to be hard. I did. So I'm hard for us both.
So I understand something he doesn't. No one gives a fuck about you except yourself. There is no such thing as society. There's only every cunt for themselves. No one cares about you, or your kids, but you. The only way you can take care of your needs is simple: get money. Money is the difference between being me and being my husband, and by God my kids were not going to be like me. Nothing matters except money. Money is security and safety.
The thing I learned about 'society' in the UK and its 'values' and 'way of life' was that everyone was completely happy to take advantage of me and people like me, as long as they got a few hundred quid a year more.
The lesson was well learned. So when I got the opportunity to make the sort of money that would mean I could support my then-boyfriend through the end of his degree, and get myself a wee mortgage, and never have to live with drinking and broken bones and black mould ever fucking again, by God I took it. I took it, I have leveraged that money in various ways over the years, and now I sit comfortably in my big fucking detached Edwardian villa in its acre of land, with all my weans at the fancy school and a tennis club membership and their ponies, and a business that will turn over nearly a million quid this year, and the white lower middle class of Engerlund can get absolutely fucked, because it is their turn to experience 'no such thing as society'. It didn't care about me. I don't care about it, or its feelings about 'the immigration' or 'muh mortgage I can't afford' or 'muh childcare costs', because it didn't care when the roof in my school leaked and I told the nice doctors in A&E that I had definitely fallen, yet again, so clumsy.
I don't care about anything that doesn't pay me or live in my house. It was "Conservative values" that taught me that.
 
It's quite simple; I was born and grew up in Coatbridge in the 80s.
I get that. I was from a mining family and a pit village and half my classmates had black eyes and holes in their shoes and we had nothing. Thatcher ripped the work and dignity away and all that replaced it was drugs and booze
But destroying it for everyone has meant that not only is it booze we’ve got to battle, and we can do that right, areas can rise and fall, and kids from shitty areas can haul themselves out. But now we’ve got a town full of Albanian gangsters and the whole country is so fucked that soon nobody’s going to be able to do what you did, to go to the nice school and make a better life. There won’t be any more grammar schools of starters lot get their way, it’ll be state for all and you’ll love it. Private fees are going up it won’t price out the rich it just prices out the ones who can just about do it.

I had a massive chip on my shoulder when I went to uni. Everyone else had been to grammar or private, they’d all had the ponies and the ski holidays and they all had this belief in themselves and they all laughed at my accent. They had trust funds and their rent paid and I had a few different jobs over each term and lived on beans and I was hungry. I was resentful and I won’t deny it. I’d never seen that kind of money before. Honestly I fucking hated most of them.
At the end of the course, the three of us who were top and got best/decent marks were the only three bog standard comprehensive kids. I think that was the point something changed for me and I began to see it wasn’t just where you started but how you are.
Now of course if you’re mega rich you’re failing upwards but for the average middle class a bit of grit will get you a long way. But not if your country is fucked and full of Albanian gangsters and the middle class is destroyed .

This sounds like a dig at you and it’s not. I dont blame you for clawing your way up and I often wish I’d been a bit harder hearted about stuff.
I do think there is such a thing as society though and an attack on the middle class is an attack on the ability of the common man to better himself.
 
I got my MBA and most of my cohorts there ended up in consulting, many at McKinsey and others at consulting departments at banks. Anyone with a conscience quit within a couple years because the money they thought they wanted was not worth being a sociopath over. The ones willing to do whatever it takes are doing well for themselves but they basically had to sacrifice everything to get there.

A lot of modern CEOs got their start at places like McKinsey and I see why. It’s an incubator for everything everyone has come to loathe in executive management. Most people are barely familiar with them and they like to keep it that way. It’ll never go away either because every large corporation needs them to give their blessing for large shareholders and board members to take an idea seriously. However those ideas are funded by the corporation they want to implement. Guarantee you right now McKinsey is working on numerous proposals on how to phase employees out with AI. Then when it’s a disaster they can just blame the consultants.
 
I guess maybe companies could get rich but everyone else sure won't.
 
Daily reminder that this push for Diversity® started long before McKinsey was even founded, if anything, they are just paying lip service to the powers that be. Pretty much like @Otterly said, two pages ago.

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And in the '70s, they were rearing their ugly heads.


This scene is from the third Dirty Harry franchise movie, "The Enforcer", 1976.
 
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Nicely detailed thread, wonder how far this forced diversity scheme will last until people realize it's fucking them over. "You're just a racist bigot" will be a dying argument.
 
You certainly may. Perhaps also the sentence that reminds them that they are foot soldiers serving an agenda they will never set or understand as well. Although I doubt that’ll spark any remorse from what I’ve seen of the auditor/consultant species.
None of the consultants I know have ever dealt with the people at the top, which is funny because even in a few tens of thousands type of company like the one I work for, the C suite sometimes deigns to ask for an opinion.

Auditors are fine. Hire an accountant or hire a compliance team to check your work. Ez pz.

Annoying but fine and they go away after the report is issued.

Consultants on the other hand.... A pack of retards using the same playbook for 4 DECADES. CUT COSTS BT OUTSOURCING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, PAY PEOPLE SHIT AND INCREASE SHAREHOLDER VALUE.

Rinse and repeat 24/7.

Some VERY targeted consultants are useful, usually when you're about to IPO. Beyond that, fuck them with a rake.

I've been joking for years that you could have every human being on Earth using Facebook, and the shareholders would tank the company in the next quarter when a report came out that they didn't gain any new market share after reaching 100% market saturation. I swear a less extreme version of that almost-literally happened last year, too.

Large masses of people are always as stupid as the dumbest jackass in the group, and when dealing with any gigantic group of people you should treat that as an iron law. Shareholder antics are the ultimate case-study.

Exactly. Shareholders gat asshurt of you make money but don't make the upper end of your prediction.

It's quite simple; I was born and grew up in Coatbridge in the 80s.
Goddamn quite the essay, too bad I read all of it.

Sorry you were born into a region of the UK with industries that couldn't survive off government support or that were literally laughingstocks globally. Try getting the Greens to fund coal mines and heavy industry or anyone on Earth to buy British Leyland cars....

Sorry you became a money hungry bitch harpy because you Mother was a bipolar cunt and your Dad was a sack of shit.

I'll not say that I'd be sorry if your ilk were strung up on lampposts on Revolution day for being money obsessed cunts whose "fuck you I'll get mine" attitudes are literal sulphuric acid to the well being of any nation.

Enough people like you = Pakistan or any other kleptocratic 3rd world shithole except yours will be a mix of blacks, Pakistanis and Arabs with a white underclass being used as safari tours for rich foreigners to gawk at.

Fuck McKinsey and fuck their sycophants, employees, and enablers.
 
People thought diversity was going to make the numbers good so in came the Indian caretaker CEOs who pass the paper bag test but there's no real growth going on.

Same story with the Silicon Valley companies claiming they're diverse but the office floor is full of wasians, and if it's a startup... wasians that look like they go to furry conventions that get raided by ABDLs.
 
People are terrified of being accused of racism. Your average normie would probably prefer being called a rapist or a murderer than a racist.

That's how silly and over the top this has gotten.
Hehehe. It is worse than that.
I know of women that have not reported sexual assault, very bad sexual assault actually, and chose not to report it because they feared they would be smeared as transphobic.

Literally "ok, I was raped and that was bad but if I report it and they smear me as transphobic that would be worse".
 
I've never understood how people can buy the whole "diversity is our strength" grift. Did you not do hooked on phonics? The root word is "divide", now I basically failed most of my math classes but last time I checked division isn't a strength.
 
I do think there is such a thing as society though
Which is why you vote Tory and I don't. This is a normal difference of political opinion, and the discourse between the two is historically where the UK finds its acceptable common ground. The increased reliance on screechy soundbites with fundamentally no meaning is why there is essentially no meaningful engagement between political factions currently, even though we are about to elect a new government this week.

I don't think there is or can be "a society" in a country like this, where the divisions of socio economical class and race are so incredibly, deeply entrenched. I don't think the majority of this country's populace has enough in common to 'share societal values' or any of that. I also don't believe this was different 40 years ago before there was much migration outside of the Windrush generation and some subcontinental migration.

The place I grew up was a shithole then, and it's a shithole now. Plus ça change. I don't hear anyone suggesting a solution or an escalator out of structural poverty for the poor folks of central Scotland. "No more small boats" doesn't do a fucking thing for us: the small boats are not landing up the Clyde. "But muh town is full of Albanians" says the southern Reform voter; well mine's not, not anywhere in Scotland. Sounds like a problem for the local councils there. That's the same answer there's always been to the problems of urban Scotland.

Immigration didn't cause my people's problems, and I won't be psyopped by the Tories and the English into thinking that it did. It wasn't Albanian gangsters that took the North Sea oil income since the seventies and spent it on tax cuts for the South East of England, and it certainly wasn't any cunt on a dinghy. These people haven't done shit to me.

The people who 'wrecked this country' and made everything shite are Thatcher's followers, and what they raised was Thatcher's children, like me. When they made poverty and its consequences something to be sneered at, something that could be overcome by "just trying harder" even though they bought their own weans all the privilege they could to ensure this country will never be a meritocracy, they left a whole class behind. The working and lower working class, the unskilled and low skilled workers, were driven into the underclass because they weren't a targeted Tory group. Meanwhile the upper working class were bought off with the promise of becoming lower middle class if they agreed to join the boot stamping on the face of the poor, forever.

So the fact the arrivistes to the lower middle class are now struggling to pay their mortgages and whining about their grammar schools and crying about the foreigners in their new towns? I care about them as much as they cared about me, then. Maybe they can get on their bikes and leave town, á la Tebbit. Perhaps they can bootstrap their way out of the comprehensive: it was good enough for Scottish kids. No fancy grammars for us. If it's always been so possible to solve all your problems by your own personal graft and 'values', should be possible for them too. I'm sure their kids can work really hard in schools where the special ed schools have been dumped in the mainstream and the buildings are wasting away and most of the teachers are supply teachers.

I am sure that the crap my class, my race, my people, have been expected to wade through for decades, generations, will be just fine for the 'traditional aspirational Conservative voter' to wade through, too. The dildo of consequences has not arrived lubricated. They dispensed with the indigenous unskilled workforce of this country to improve profits and flung us on the scrapheap, and the lower middle class profited. Now it is time to crush the lower middle class to improve profits, and I'm fucked if I can see how I should be dying at the barricades for those cunts who never cared about us.

I can count the number of people who have given me a hand up in life on the fingers of my hands, and no cunt in a blue rosette is amongst them. There's no use in them appealing to my sense of racial consciousness, or 'national pride' or any of that shit. I'm fine with blood and soil nationalism. Farage and Braverman and their ilk aren't my blood, and Kent is certainly not my soil. This is their problem.

The Labour plan to add VAT to school fees will now cost me, personally, around ninety grand out of my net income next year for my kids. I am genuinely happy to pay that. The state schools need more money and those who can afford to buy their way out of them can afford to pay more towards their improvement. I can afford to pay a lot of tax, and it is right and fair that I should do so. It is particularly fair that I should pay essentially a punitive tax on the privilege I am buying for my children over equally clever and charming little sweethearts who happen to have to go to St Ambrose instead.

I will never vote for anyone who claims that 'values' explain, or excuse, socio-economic inequality. I will not vote for any "change" or "radical plan" that doesn't directly and materially improve the life chances of the class I was born to. And that wasn't the aspirational working class trying to become Hyacinth Bucket. They're on their own. I don't think Labour are radical; I think frankly they are disappointingly right wing. But they won't shit on the poor quite as hard as the fucking Tories, so that's... something. I'm not voting for them, but I'll be happy to see them form a government, and I'll hope they do better than they expect in the next five years.

This is obviously not a dig at you, pet. I know you're a nicer person than me. I genuinely believe we'd probably get on well IRL. But I show the rest of the world in general, the same consideration it generally showed me. McKinsey gave me money and opportunities in life. The "British society and Conservative values" gave me absolutely fuck all. I know where my loyalties, such as they are, lie.
 
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For what it's worth, I value your honesty.

The problem with you lot is that more often than not, the magic solution to everything is cutting costs by laying off and moving jobs to Mexico. Among many other unsavory things.

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I suppose if I ask you how do you manage to sleep well at night, serving for these vermin, you'd obviously reply with something like "on a bed made of money". And if that's the case, then kudos to you, you've found your calling.

But you have to understand that for the rest of us, the mongrel lumpenproletariat, dealing with the consequences of the actions you people endorse and push is beyond disgusting. And by that I mean - I didn't ask for any of this shit.
 
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First I thought it was going to be about wealth disparity which of course diversity was going to do jack shit about besides changing the color of a few of the oligarchs ruling above us.

But yeah anyone who thought putting token minorities in the c-suite would increase profitability was a retard, fact is the minorities you already had were there because they were good enough to rise to that level on their own.

If you don't get more minorities for that position its simple because there are no more minorities qualified for that position.

This is not the 50's anymore, nobody is going to keep you down for your skin color if you're a fucking business magician who can turn any company into the next nvidia.
 
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No, diversity is definitely good for profit since diverse workplaces are less likely to unionize and replacing qualifications with skin color/genitalia lets you hire management cheaper.

While partly true, remember that work needs to actually be done to make a profit. If you have a bunch of monkeys that doesn't know how to do anything, not only does nothing get done but the organization rots from the bottom up.

It's kinda like how the Army doesn't allow anyone under 80 iq to serve because they do more harm to the army itself than they would as enemies.

I see the entire thing as a corporate juggling act.
 
The Labour plan to add VAT to school fees will now cost me, personally, around ninety grand out of my net income next year for my kids. I am genuinely happy to pay that.
Most people in this country will never earn 90 grand gross. Money is a good insulator against a lot of terrible policy.
Im not southern, although I am for Scotland - the northern English heartland was ripped out by thatcher, there’s still people there who will spit if her name is mentioned. And I did used to vote Labour, until Blair. Blair changed everything - Labour used to sort of pretend to like the working class and after Blair it was just Tory lite.
My own lot are from absolute grinding poverty. Soup kitchen workhouse level. And they were all active in their communities and did things that made them better - there were no baths at the pit head and men had to go home covered in coal dust to their wives who breathed it in as they washed clothes and got miners lung like the men did. The community organisers got showers installed at the pit head for a penny a week. That’s the kind of politics I want - stuff that benefits us locally.
I am conservative, maybe not ‘a conservative’ because most of them are bandits but I believe that there are things about society that should be conserved. Not our class structure but our history and roots and our communities and our environment.
I have no one to vote for. They are all corrupt. I earn nowhere near ninety grand net and I never will. I dont think my politics are radical and yet I have no one to vote for and that makes me angry
I don't think Labour are radical; I think frankly they are disappointingly right wing. But they won't shit on the poor quite as hard as the fucking Tories, so that's... something.
They will though. They abandoned the working class a long time ago. That making hatred an aggravating offence isn’t going to hurt the Rees -Moggs in the gentlemen’s clubs or the JKRs with their very very good lawyers is it? It’s to keep the plebs from saying things and organising. They will keep importing Albanian gangsters.
And your town IS full of them, Glasgow and all the shitty bits from Bathgate to Livingston has a problem with Roma who traffick very young kids for sex. Englands full, Scotland’s next, it’s already happening - half of sighthill is full of migrants. Humza was snp but he was trying to import half of Gaza. Labour will open the floodgates and ruin Scotland too as they’ve ruined my home town.
Labour will be a nightmare for the country. The tories have been a nightmare. Not a man jack of them gives a shit about Coatbridge or sight hill or page hall or anywhere full of icky poor people and they never will.
 
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