Do you believe in the Supernatural? - Ghosts, the fae, demons, Oswald was a lone shooter, and other such things

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Usually with these stories, the culprit ends up being a mangy bear or coyote or something similar. The long limbs, lack of fur, and rodent-like face all track with that; the true body shape of many animals are normally hidden by their fur/feathers, and they can look downright alien when they lose their coat due to disease. If you saw pic related, “bear” probably wouldn’t be your first thought.
Funnily enough, the official explanation is mangy bear, and I wouldn't be surprised if that is what it is. However the bugbear for me, having seen the crawler, and many other witnesses is that the legs aren't just long. They're way too long. Like, the crawlers' front limbs (arms) were orangutan proportions in length; nearly as long as the body. And the legs equally so.

Plus, the critter didn't walk like a bear or a coyote, it crawled. Not really like a man, it wasn't a creepypasta, but it was all hunched over onto the ground. Overall, either a very weird bear or something else, and I don't particularly want to see it again regardless.
 
We actually have a thread about this already but it’s been a while since it’s been bumped.

That said, I tend to be a bit open about this kind of stuff since I’ve had a several unexplainable things (the most common being precognitive dreams) and encounters in my life.
That’s kinda the problem though, the laws of physics are descriptive, not proscriptive. Throughout the history of science, there are TONS of things that were not explainable by the laws of physics as understood at the time. If some phenomena can’t be explained by the laws of physics, that doesn’t mean it’s supernatural - it just means that our understanding of the laws of physics was wrong (or, more commonly, simply incomplete). The fact that we cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for something doesn’t automatically imply that no logical explanation exists.


Usually with these stories, the culprit ends up being a mangy bear or coyote or something similar. The long limbs, lack of fur, and rodent-like face all track with that; the true body shape of many animals are normally hidden by their fur/feathers, and they can look downright alien when they lose their coat due to disease. If you saw pic related, “bear” probably wouldn’t be your first thought.
How ironic, I was going to mention something along those lines in form of the Texas Blue Dog (which turned out to be coyotes and feral dogs suffering from mange and similar skin diseases).
 
I don't like the word "believe". If some shit you can't explain happens it means that theory is fucked and you need to improve it. After all, in the stone age, a lightining was supernatural. I try to be open to all possibilities but I have never seen anything that made pause and think "well, that must be it."
 
Black Science Man: Heh, you believe in the supernatural? I don't. I believe in a little something called science. You know, things that can be proven.
Also Black Science Man: So actually there are multiple universes like in Dragon Ball Super and we exist in a computer simulation not unlike the Matrix and one of the subroutines in that program is responsible for an AoE spell called Whiteness which forces black people to commit the majority of violent crime in America.
 
I'm on the fence. I do believe in things that most people would class as woo, I'm a fan of Rupert Sheldrake, I fuck with his theories and think that I have genuinely experienced telepathy.

Open to the supernatural but sadly, life remains fairly dull. Have experienced an audio woo which was shared with someone else. That's about it.
 
There are a lot of things we don’t understand. We don’t understand how consciousness works, really we are in our infancy in terms of understanding the universe. So there’s a lot of stuff that’s explainable we are just not understanding it yet. What’s that quote about to any level of being any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic? Aliens? Statistically exist, the universe is big. Here? Probably not, but who knows?
I believe in good and evil as actual things, rather than descriptive labels though . I never used to, but the last ten years of rapidly sprinting towards tranny child mutilation, open degeneracy etc - it changed my mind. I am convinced now that Evil is real and there is a battle between evil and good. Which means good is real, which I suppose is a white pill.
I’m generally fairly skeptical about fairies and all that side of it, but there’s often a kernel of truth in odd places and I e had a couple of things happen to me I can’t explain
 
If I were to base my worldview about the "supernatural" solely on personal experience, I'd be a "metaphysical naturalist" for sure.

In other words, I've never had any undeniably "supernatural" experience that I can recall.

the world is boring
Even what technology can do seems rather limited, like warp drive looking impossible.
 
No. If they existed, we'd have some solid data on it by now. We understand too much of how the universe works at this point to miss such a big piece of it, if it existed.

The only way it could exist, but humans having no knowledge of it would be if it is so far removed from our location in the universe that we can't detect it. That's possible, but I doubt it.
 
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We understand too much of how the universe works at this point to miss such a big piece of it, if it existed.
Terry Pratchett explained "magic" as "lack of reality" in the Discworld series. The definition of "supernatural" is above or beyond the natural. So if the "supernatural" exists, it is not part of the natural, and could "push aside" the natural to make miracles...
 
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Terry Pratchett explained "magic" as "lack of reality" in the Discworld series. The definition of "supernatural" is above or beyond the natural. So if the "supernatural" exists, it is not part of the natural, and could "push aside" the natural to make miracles...

The thing is, we haven't seen anything like that. There are no reliable records to indicate that anything like this has ever happened on Earth. That's why if there is anything "supernatural" if it exists must be so far away from Earth that we haven't seen it.
 
I've been to many WWI, WWII and Balkan locations where thousands died or were murdered. Complete absence of ghost busters and psychic mediums at them all, so that told me something

No. Such. Thing. As. Ghosts.
On that note the belief in ghost sightings is a funny thing when you think about it. Even if they do exist on some level its interesting that when somebody says they saw a ghost its usually the ghost of somebody from the relatively recent past. Say the 18th or 19th centuries for the most part. Its interesting we never have sightings of, say, ghosts of roman legionaries, ancient greeks and egyptians or neolithic hunter gatherers wearing animal skins and such. If ghosts existed why aren't we hearing stories about people seeing these ghosts of long dead people? I mean dead is dead right? Whats the difference between a ghost of somebody who got killed in iraq vs some neolithic hunter who got killed by a cave bear or a roman legionary who died fighting in gaul? Yet somehow its always some civil war/revolutionary war era ghost or somebody haunting a 19th century house or whatever. This implies that either there are no ghosts or that said ghosts are not a permanent thing for whatever reason. Law of entropy maybe?
 
The thing is, we haven't seen anything like that. There are no reliable records to indicate that anything like this has ever happened on Earth.
Define "reliable."

This is actually something I've brought up before, but my feeling that even the stuff that is "reliable".... really isn't. And over the past several years we've seen how easy it is to astroturf falsehoods and bury the truth. That's why we've got tons of people nowadays who believe in a thousand genders.... and part of the reason for that is because papers supporting their beliefs are easily found while papers against are buried or outright retracted.

Considering that and COVID, I find it very easy to believe that maybe paranormal shit exists and is actually pretty documented, but the science journals just don't want to acknowledge it.

Humanity--particularly the more "intellectual" side of it--seems to have a predisposition towards debunkerism. I've mentioned this in the past with regards to James Randi--if he ever claims to debunk anything, its always treated as valid, even when his supposed debunking involves him blatantly making shit up. Yet just because he's a debunker, he's treated as a valid source.

Fact is, as long as you're dealing with fellow human beings and human society, there will always be cognitive biases, and its those who claim to be above such things that are most susceptible to them.

I do agree with Agent Scully on one thing though: you should never go in looking for paranormal explanations, but instead only consider them if none of the natural explanations completely add up.

On that note the belief in ghost sightings is a funny thing when you think about it. Even if they do exist on some level its interesting that when somebody says they saw a ghost its usually the ghost of somebody from the relatively recent past. Say the 18th or 19th centuries for the most part. Its interesting we never have sightings of, say, ghosts of roman legionaries, ancient greeks and egyptians or neolithic hunter gatherers wearing animal skins and such. If ghosts existed why aren't we hearing stories about people seeing these ghosts of long dead people? I mean dead is dead right? Whats the difference between a ghost of somebody who got killed in iraq vs some neolithic hunter who got killed by a cave bear or a roman legionary who died fighting in gaul? Yet somehow its always some civil war/revolutionary war era ghost or somebody haunting a 19th century house or whatever. This implies that either there are no ghosts or that said ghosts are not a permanent thing for whatever reason. Law of entropy maybe?
Who says we don't see ghosts of those things?

I mean, I imagine part of the reason most ghost stories we hear are because we live in America (I'm assuming), itself a relatively young nation (and before you say it... I have heard of Native American ghosts being sighted). So of course most American ghosts are gonna be relaively recent.

I imagine if we lived in Egypt, were fluent in Egyptian and browsed Egyptian internet (and assuming this isn't like, a taboo subject in their culture or something) then we'd probably hear tons of stories about dead Egyptians, sightings of pharoahs, people getting sent to the Shadow Realm after losing a card game, so on and so forth.

Hell, when it comes to foreign-language stuff, I've found it can be a pain to find info about things I know for a fact exist, like specific movies or novels, due to the good ol' language barrier. Like seriously, try to find Japanese horror movies from the 1980s. Chances are the only ones you'll dig up are the ones that got an international release... but would you take that to mean that Japan only made like seven horror movies in the 1980s?
 
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I would like to, as I am severely necrophobic, and a belief in the supernatural would alleviate some of that fear.

Unfortunately I can't genuinely rationalise the supernatural, try as I might, which unfortunately means that said necrophobia continues to contribute to me being very unwell. (As for some reason stress causes me to deteriorate physically In an alarming manner.)
 
I would like to, as I am severely necrophobic, and a belief in the supernatural would alleviate some of that fear.

Unfortunately I can't genuinely rationalise the supernatural, try as I might, which unfortunately means that said necrophobia continues to contribute to me being very unwell. (As for some reason stress causes me to deteriorate physically In an alarming manner.)
I think that attempting to rationalize everything isn't necessarily a helpful strategy. The idea the universe, even baring any theological or mystical concepts, can be fully rationalized is kind of absurd. For as much as things are "solved," the universe has a pretty good tendency to throw a few extra curveballs into the mix. Not to mention the fact that, unless you are one of the very few who can actually independently verify many forms of scientific analysis, the real fact of the matter is that you are ultimately relying on the word of others and hoping they aren't lying.

It is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that many of the supposed forms of rationalization are themselves entirely faked or warped for unknown purpose. The conclusions made, or the rationalisms presumed, might not be real.

And regardless, you're going to die anyways. Soon, in fact. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts.
 
I think that attempting to rationalize everything isn't necessarily a helpful strategy. The idea the universe, even baring any theological or mystical concepts, can be fully rationalized is kind of absurd. For as much as things are "solved," the universe has a pretty good tendency to throw a few extra curveballs into the mix. Not to mention the fact that, unless you are one of the very few who can actually independently verify many forms of scientific analysis, the real fact of the matter is that you are ultimately relying on the word of others and hoping they aren't lying.

It is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that many of the supposed forms of rationalization are themselves entirely faked or warped for unknown purpose. The conclusions made, or the rationalisms presumed, might not be real.

And regardless, you're going to die anyways. Soon, in fact. Might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

I'm not doing this out of a desire to. I can't believe something unless I can fathom a logical basis for it, it is simply how my mind works.

And yes, I'm aware of my mortality. If I were able to just stop caring I would have done so already.
 
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