do you go to hell if you end your own life?

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now scholars would say that the reliugious texts of the bible say that you would go to hell but would you have a differing opinion? :thinking:
 
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In traditional/historical Christian theology, generally yes, because 1. It's murder (willful malice killing) of oneself and 2. If you are killing yourself deliberately you are sinning at the moment of death so are guilty of final impenitence

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All that is required for salvation at death is true contrition + nobody that ever survived jumping off the golden gate bridge said they wished they died - they all said they regretted it after jumping. Like the woman who threw herself into Niagra falls and then tried to get out before she went over the edge. Basically almost everyone who has the time to think after the act but before death has had regret based on observation + the accounts of survivors.

Additionally, there is a culpability argument. If someone is so mentally ill that they do not comprehend what they're doing/about to do, they are not culpable of sin because this theology also says sin requires full knowledge and consent of the will.

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In reality, when this theology is applied, no, not everyone who kills themselves is auto-damned. "Bible says so" is an elementary argument devoid of context and understanding.
 
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Agent Abe Caprine said:
Serious answer: This depends on the denomination. Catholics believe they go to Purgatory. Many Protestant denominations believe you still go to Heaven if it was done due to mental illness. No idea what the Orthodox ones think.
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Purgatory is salvation and suicide = final impenitence in Catholic theology, which is the only unforgivable sin. There is no suicide = purgatory in Catholic theology. That doesn't mean that the rest of the theology doesn't apply so there is a gray area depending on individual circumstance.
 
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powdered toast said:
In traditional/historical Christian theology, generally yes, because 1. It's murder (willful malice killing) of oneself and 2. If you are killing yourself deliberately you are sinning at the moment of death so are guilty of final impenitence

However

All that is required for salvation at death is true contrition + nobody that ever survived jumping off the golden gate bridge said they wished they died - they all said they regretted it after jumping. Like the woman who threw herself into Niagra falls and then tried to get out before she went over the edge. Basically almost everyone who has the time to think after the act but before death has had regret based on observation + the accounts of survivors.

Additionally, there is a culpability argument. If someone is so mentally ill that they do not comprehend what they're doing/about to do, they are not culpable of sin because this theology also says sin requires full knowledge and consent of the will.

So

In reality, when this theology is applied, no, not everyone who kills themselves is auto-damned. "Bible says so" is an elementary argument devoid of context and understanding.
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The act of killing yourself is objectively evil, as you explained. But God is merciful, and not an unreasonable legalist. We should hope and pray for God's mercy upon those who die by suicide.
 
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Suicide is the destruction of life and taking into one's own hand the authority reserved solely for God.

It is a grievous sin, and one born of the deadly sin of Greed/Invidia in which you view your own existence as solely yours and not the product of God's creation, your own parents and family and those who may care for you.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
Suicide is the destruction of life and taking into one's own hand the authority reserved solely for God.

It is a grievous sin, and one born of the deadly sin of Greed/Invidia in which you view your own existence as solely yours and not the product of God's creation, your own parents and family and those who may care for you.
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Like many things, there are rare exceptions to the rules. For example, I don't think those who jumped from the towers on 9/11 committed any sin, because their only other option was to be crushed or immolated.
 
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Axiom the Fucker said:
Sometimes people die for selfish reasons
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Makes me think: how vague are we being with the definition of suicide here? I think we all agree, jumping in front of a truck would be suicide, but how about death fats that slowly kill themselves one 4000 calorie meal at a time? How about alcoholics or drug addicts? How about that fitness freak who get cirrhosis from drinking carrot juice? In all cases the person dies by their own hand, it just comes down to how long it takes.
 
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I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
Makes me think: how vague are we being with the definition of suicide here? I think we all agree, jumping in front of a truck would be suicide, but how about death fats that slowly kill themselves one 4000 calorie meal at a time? How about alcoholics or drug addicts? How about that fitness freak who get cirrhosis from drinking carrot juice? In all cases the person dies by their own hand, it just comes down to how long it takes.
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The Catholic Catechism says somewhere that your body is a gift from God and His temple, so you should take care of it. Thus, it's a sin to neglect your health.
 
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