Do you think autism and other neurological illnesses basically mean "game over"?

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Just because you're an autistic failure that doesn't mean every autist is a failure.

 

[snailslime]

depends how prolific you are imo

 

[The Cunting Death]

Thinking Autistic people can ''make it'' on their own is just an example of inappropriately extended hyper-individualism. Yes, we know, society doesn't give a fuck about people but to suggest autistic people have a chance to survive our individualist society on their own is laughable.

I mean 90% of deaths for people with autism involve drowning. That's because Autistic people are naturally attracted to large bodies of water. Does that sound like the sort of people who can make it in the workforce? come on.

In terms of people like Chris Chan. He could have benefited from living in a group home for adults like himself. The problem is, these places are few and far between.

Where on earth did you get that statistic?

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Didn't one of John Travolta's kids die by drowning? He was also extremely autistic.

 

[Local Fed]

Didn't one of John Travolta's kids die by drowning? He was also extremely autistic.

Not from drowning but his son Jett, whom he fathered with Kelly Preston was autistic and had Kawasaki disease. He had a seizure while they were in the Bahamas and may have hit his head on the side of a bathtub. Speaking of drowning though, Preston's father drowned when she was 3 years old.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

Smart autists can achieve great things by making lots of money & learning social scripts

Smart Bipolars with a good ethical framework can achieve great things by churning out creative works during hypomania and not killing themselves during depressive phases. (See: Touched with Fire by Kay Jamison)

The underlying factor is intelligence, ethics, and insight into self.

Being dumb + mentally ill/neurologically different is a recipe for failure lol sorry enjoy working at Burger King and (if lucky) dating the over weight autistic girl with acne and stuffed animals all over her bed.

 

[John Furrman]

Overall, I agree with the posters in the thread who say the outlook is dismal for most.

I can provide some personal insight. I was born a month early, set up for a challenge the moment I was born. Premature births often coincide with development struggles. My mood disorder made life growing up very difficult for myself and my parents. Every step was a struggle, and they worried about my future for most of my life.

Eventually, my parents and I got it figured out. And, ironically, a programming framework I learned to use from looking at Null’s infinityNext project got my foot in the door to a student developer position at my college. Now, I have a career I like and pursue my passions in my free time. If it weren’t for Kiwi Farms, I’d still be a wage slave. Joining KF and a little curiosity enabled the luckiest break of my life. Saved by autism.

I went to school with a sperg who made it into MIT, an actual prodigy, and he’s doing well too. He became an aircraft engineer. In summary, it’s not hopeless but he and I are outliers.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I had an evaluation once to see if I had Aspergers, several psyche sessions over a period of months. At the end of the evaluation the examiner told me, and I quote “You don’t have Aspergers, you’re just an asshole!”

 

[Fenrir Ratatoskr]

I'll say this. You are (usually) your own worst critic.
Bear this in mind. Wisdom is not equivalent to intelligence.
There are men and women out there that have IQs in the 120+ and utterly, miserably fail to exist without the assistance of others.
Nick Bates has an IQ of 129 and not only failed miserably at his life, he is a literal shit eating pedophile now incarcerated for 25+ years.
Being "intellectually superior" means nothing in the grand scheme of things, having the set of ideas and the mental grit to achieve or at least make honest attempts at goals is what actually matters.
There are retarded uggos, who somehow managed to exist and have jobs, kids, and a life.

Being autistic was just the handicap fate started you with. If you have the right mindset you can overcome it. There are plenty of people on the spectrum who, because no one expects them to try, end up as wastes of space. Chris Chan had no serious intervention/soul searching/structuring to actually accept that, and he ended up as first an animal pacing in it's cage, and later a criminal whose hubris caught up with him.

My advice is as follows.
1. Ask what you lack in life.
2. Figure out how to structure your life to achieve those initial lacking's.
3. Consider the result and adjust accordingly.
4. Keep a optimistic outlook, but have "realistic" expectations.
5. Accept your flaws and limitations and find means to overcome them.
6. Allow yourself to fail, without assuming that it's the end of the world.
7. Don't listen to incels, troons, redditors and retards. If you have serious reservations, and need professional advice, seek it.

 

[DumbDude42]

I have two relatives who are pretty autistic; not to the point of being nonverbal and flailing but with good programming jobs; they have a mortgage and a cat. One is an aspie and is crazy good at math and engineering.

Whenever we see eachother we sperg about video games, anime and how the new Lightyear movie might actually be good (reviews don't seem too promising, though) despite being grown ass adults.

So no, being an autist doesn't automatically mean you're doomed.

being a friendless antisocial wageslave with no family who pisses away all his money and time on consoomer obsessions sounds kinda doomed to me tbh
different kind of doomed than homeless under a bridge, sure, but still pretty doomed

 

[H3LLH4MM3R666]

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Oh wow, so it's 90% for children with autism that run away from home. I thought it sounded like a stretch

Even if you manage to pass off as normal just enough to be able to get a job and reach material success, Lack of social skills combined with missing the ability to understand and connect with normal people will make you feel alienated from the vast majority of them. And eventually, like most self aware autists, you will end up with the unshakeable feeling of being either a cold soulless meat calculator born to wageslave, some sort of psychopath with no human connection trying to fit in, or a lolcow weirdo waiting to be found out and laughed at.

Yet social skills can be learned and developed over time, the same as any other skill.

 

[Darksy DePhil]

Yet social skills can be learned and developed over time, the same as any other skill.

Yes, social skills can be learned, but an autismo will never truly perfect them to the point of feeling as natural and honest as it is for normalfags, and even then, it's still the creepy outsider life.

 

[Easy J]

Are you all diagnosed as speds? I've never been diagnosed as on the spectrum and haven't seen a shrink of any stripe some my teens.

I'm more than a little autistic according to those online tests but that feels too close to being one of those self-diagnosed perennial snowflakes so I'm conflicted about the entire issue.

For whatever it's worth, I'm a high school dropout in my 40s with a prison record from drug dealing. I got a CDL in my late 30s, moved to the oilfield, and now make between $80,000-$100,000 anually. If anything, my penchant for routine and detail have made me better at my job than most normal drivers.

TL;DR: Yeah, I stumbled hard for decades. But once I made a firm decision to engage with society I found that I had as many advantages as disadvantages once my autism was applied to the task.

Hope this helps...and consider this: you see people clearly less intelligent and self-aware than yourself doing the things you want to do. Just shut off that internal monologue, ignore the fear and anxiety, and keep moving forward until it becomes a habit. You've got this.

 

[Shanndog]

No.
Look at some successful people with autism such as Temple Grandin and allegedly Mozart and Albert Einstein
Advice: less focus on Tard Bux/Comparing yourself to Chris-Chan and focus more on the things autists are good at.
Like music or coding.

yes there are successful autistic people, but as compared to the larger population that is considered to be autistic, the successful people are in the minority, the sad fact is 85 to 90 percent are not gainfully employed, they might have small temp or part time entry level type work, but most are unemployed and are not really able to go after their passions, wants and goals. these stats are talked about in service agencies as well as advocacy groups.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

are not really able to go after their passions, wants and goals

Mostly because most of these "passions" consist of watching Thomas The Tank Engine and cranking it to loli hentai, and not anything actually productive or useful to society at large

 

[ToroidalBoat]

"Neurotypicals" can have an aversion to outsiders "cringe". Meanwhile, autists can struggle with "theory of mind" and relating to others. That's a recipe for disaster already. Then there's also the seemingly endless "unwritten rules" of modern social life. And the physiological issues that can rob an autist of energy.* And of course autists can fixate on a "special interest" subject "normies" usually don't care about - or may even find freakish, like @PipTheAlchemist mentioned in the previous post.

In other words, it can be as if an autist is like someone who was shot in the legs being expected to run a race as if they weren't shot. So it can be hard - but not always impossible - for autists to get relationships or jobs.

*relevant again:

But autism isn't just a neurological condition, but affects the whole body; autists have abnormal biochemistry including deficiencies in zinc and magnesium. Insufficient zinc causes lethargy even in the absence of a formally diagnosed condition such as depression or ADHD, and can cause low thyroid hormones which make people sluggish as well.

 

[Shanndog]

Mostly because most of these "passions" consist of watching Thomas The Tank Engine and cranking it to loli hentai, and not anything actually productive or useful to society at large

good point, but there are some who have legit talent and passions, who unfortunately end up getting sold short - but yes, i know so many more of them are just extremely immature and live in a mental fantasy-land.

 

[Shitposting boogeyman]

Depends on how autistic you are. Autism is a very broad spectrum including people who are too retarded to speak and actual self made billionaires.

 

[Corpun]

I'm more functioning than most spergs I've seen and even I doom and gloom. My best advice OP is to just keep looking forward and try to improve your weaknesses or some bullshit like that. Honestly sometimes I do wonder if I was misdiagnosed given how little in common I have with most tards.