Do you think bullying is a necessary evil? - What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

One of Peterson's original 12 rules was "toughen up you weasel" and basically argued this. You need a degree of bullying but even moreso you need friends who will call you out on your shit, and who you can call out. I pity today's youth who don't have friendships strong enough to make fun of each other when they're acting like a bitch, fag etc. and remind them to nut the fuck up. One of the big casualties of wokeism is all your friendships are shallow and sterile.
 
It becomes a question of whether or not you can categorize it all as "good" or even necessary. The fact of the matter is no one can truly know for sure if bullying truly "works" or if those bullied were always going to end up better than they were anyways. I do believe as a society we do need to be toughened up or we risk being a world of bubble wrap wearing pansies, but I also do believe we can make it without the emotional trauma. Of course I do speak of my own personal experience but, thats as far as I'll go without letting my personal emotions come out. As the user above me mentioned we need friendships and bonds strong enough to take critiques over bullies. We need to learn how to accept that we are fuck ups and that as humans we will always have moments of utter weakness. At the risk of sounding too fence sitty, there is a middle ground to be reached. I am not so jaded and or cynical to take the "bullying is just social Darwinism" approach since we have seen that even sound minded and even emotionally stable individuals have been torn and sadly died due to bullying. Yes keep the toughing up aspect but, also step in when the time is right and make sure that the "toughing up" doesnt result in a dead kid.
 
The problem is that even the anti-bullying efforts are, in fact, forms of bullying. It's just the crybully on the other side of the coin.

I'm not saying that bullying is good or bad or serves some greater purpose or whatever. I'm just saying that we will never stop doing it no matter what justifications we come up for it.
 
A lot of niggers here think that calling out someone on their shit is bullying. It's not you retards. Sure bullying can help toughen up some people while it makes others depressed and shit.

Some could argue darwinism.

Bullying is just part of the old survival tactics humans used in groups to establish alpha males. Nowadays bullying is like, dunno, bothering a crippled kid or beating up kids that are younger than you are.

I think in a perfect society there wouldn't be need for bullying.

Just please stop thinking that banter or calling someone on their shit is bullying.
 
Calling someone out for shitty behavior isn’t bullying.

The problem with the whole “bullying builds character” mentality is that there are many arguments on what constitutes bullying and it all depends on circumstances and how different groups handle it.

For example gender based bullying. I don’t know about guy on guy bullying, but girl on girl bullying is a nightmare I would never wish on my worst enemy. Teenage girls psychologically and emotionally abuse each other no matter how high you are on the social hierarchy. A girl is popular and has a boyfriend? Spread rumors she is a slut who can’t keep her legs closed. A girl gets good grades and has nerdy interests? Make fun of her for not being into “girly” things. A girl hits puberty and develops breasts before everyone else? Spread rumors she stuffs her bra and shame her for something she can’t control. I have seen so many girls in elementary school who were best friends become vicious in middle school all for the sake of being popular and stab each other in the back. A girl could be your friend on minute then backstab you the next. From personal experience psychological and emotional bullying causes far more damage and trauma,

The “punch them out in the schoolyard” tactic does not work when you are dealing with teenage girls who use manipulation and emotional abuse instead of physical. I don’t know about today but teachers back when I was in school often turned the other way when it came to girls bullying or give them a minor slap on the wrist.

I could elaborate further but I don’t want to powerlevel anymore than I did.
 
Being someone who leans more on the "provoke a person" side than the "being provoked by a person" side while growing up, I can tell you that it's definitely not worth it if we're just talking about traditional "Ha ha, this guy has a stupid name!" or "I'm not touching you!" bullying. it gets boring and makes the person legitimately come off as a jackass.

Now if we're talking about the internet's definition of bullying, that depends - the "ur a fag" and trolling kind of bullying is kind of funny to a point, but getting worked up about it is only proving them right. And I still don't know why people think "criticism of lifestyle/artwork/whatever = bullying".
 
ITT: self-hating Social Darwinists with a humilliation fetish

Most bullying isn't really "corrective". If you're just being an asshole to someone, any tough love you try to communicate to them through your actions will fly above their head, and they'll just see you as an asshole instead.
I don't buy into the "bullying corrects degeneracy" mindset, considering that A) Most bullies themselves are often into degenerate things like drugs, and B) I've seen teens shamed for the pettiest shit like just liking obscure old videogames or music, or having a slight slav accent. Things that you could shoot the shit about as an adult without getting reprimanded. If anything, giving into the bullying instead of just going "k whatever" only turns you into a repressed normalfag.

That said, i do think "not everyone is your friend" aspect is important.
I don't know where this "tough love" garbage came from because bullies do not care about you joining their society, they do it because they can get away with it until they get their ego bruised.
Kind of reminds me of Back to the Future where Biff's group keeps giving George shit who has this delusion that they're "just playing" and Biff becomes a loser depending on whether or not he got clocked out.
 
Bullying is retarded but it helps. Depends on the person honestly.
Bullying didn't help me. Seeing other retards more sensitive than me helped me realized we need bullying.
 
I don't think it should be the first approach but for people who are unwilling to listen to any sort of criticism it can take a harsher response to get the point across. not to power level too hard but i used to do some pretty cringy shit and wasn't really aware i was doing anything wrong until being called out more harshly
 
I think bullying can both help and harm people, depending on circumstances and who the "victim" is.

If they are strong, self aware, strive to improve and sack up bullying can be grown out of and mocked in hindsight. The person has grown beyond the treatment and the bully becomes the target, exposing their frailty in turn and the weakness they never overcame was exposed. Most bullies were bullied at some point in their lives and they take out their emotions on others to mask what they feel.

Some people crumble to bullying and never recover, blaming their problems and decisions on others. There are sites like this for a reason, and a lot of the people who have threads here can't deal with criticism or critique. But you can't make people change, they have to want to do it. If not, then laugh at them. Because that's all they are good for, as an example of what not to do.
 
Bullying is separate from another man taking you aside and asking you what the fuck it is that you think is right about acting this way or doing that habit. Potentially bullying is the only way that groups can manage to get serious about flaws in a person across, this I don't know.

I can tell you that the anti-bullying horseshit we put kids through is just another moral inversion in society, where there is just another bully bullying but now it is the hyperweak non-threatening type using authorities to do it. If you cannot talk people out of bothering you, you have to fight them away, if you cannot fight them off your case, you have to escalate things to mayhem and school shootings. Its better bullying is low-level then someone shoots up a school but your dad should be teaching you to fuck up your bullies at the same time. That is the larger problem, shitty Boomer dads leading to checked out Gen X dads leading to faggot Millennial dads leading to transgender Gen Z kids who won't even have kids.

We need national service to scare the shit out of bullies and faggots alike until we're all men again.
 
If someone is behaving in a way which is causing them to be socially ostracized, bullying is arguably only going to make the problem even worse, and in my own observations, it invariably does. People can argue that the victim "brought it upon themselves", but this doesn't suddenly make the bullying constructive; it almost never teaches the victim anything, it just makes their life miserable, while also working to cultivate an unwarranted sense of superiority in the bullies which is likely to discourage much self-improvement on their own part as well.

I can see no positives to it, especially since many of the victims of bullying are targeted for reasons which have nothing to do with things that they can or should change, but everything to do with the things they can't (like disability, height, ethnicity, etc).

I definitely agree that much of our anti-bullying approaches nowadays are flawed, although the problem, I think, isn't so much that people are being "sheltered" from bullies, but that authority figures are failing to take into consideration the social dynamics which cause bullying. When people are behaving in a way which invites social ostracization, the constructive thing to do is to take them to one side (preferably from a young age), and teach them how to improve their behavior so as to not be ostracized. That way, they can engage in normal social interaction like everyone else, and everyone (in theory) can be happy.
 
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