Do you think there’s an element of self-made misery to the common troubles of millennials?

[LazarusOwenhart]

I think the education system has a lot to do with it in the UK at least. For the last 15/20 years there's been a massive push to get as many school leavers as possible to go to college and university because of the fucked up way school league tables work in the UK. To do this, schools teach students that NOT getting into uni makes you a garbage person and that the careers that don't require a degree (but are in many ways more essential to the proper running of a country) are somehow less valid than the ones that do. Schools concentrate time, resources and support on children who are academically gifted in the first place and arguably don't really need the support, they're smart, they'll do fine, and without the drive to go to uni a lot of them would choose vocational, skilled careers like engineering or electrical work. This leads to people who may not be academically gifted but may have untapped vocational talent leaving school feeling worthless so they never bother trying to have a career of any sort. Those that do go to university often have no real idea what they're going to do afterwards so they pick up a worthless degree in psychology or philosophy and leave university too entitled and stuck up to lower themselves to manual work. What we're then left with is a massive skills gap at one end of which are the braying graduates who think the world owes them a living because they view themselves as belonging to some sort of intellectual elite and at the other lazy, jobless, complacent, layabouts who have no hope so they jump on any bandwagon they can find to apportion blame. Most of our plumbers, sparkies and brickies come from Poland these days. It's a shame, the old school British spirit is there, but the school system suppresses it and conditions people to be lazy or elite.

 

[Rand /pol/]

I think a lot of it came from many American millennials being left to their own devices. Most of their parents were either too busy with work or just didn't give a shit. Plus a lot of broken homes. Lots of single moms. Lots of addict parents during their formative years. Coupling that with the internet, you have a lot of lonely kids with no guidance who found solace in MySpace and various other sites. Many riddled with weird stuff that they probably didn't need to see or hear. A LOT of pedos. Because being a pedo was easy back then. I remember when I was 12-15, me and all my female friends had a flock of 20 something year old guys hounding us and no parents to give a shit what we were doing. We thought it was normal for older guys to act like that. How would we know? It even happened to a few guys we knew. Daddy either bailed years ago or was preoccupied with work. Besides, we'd all been told how special and grownup we were by everyone. Parents, teachers, the pedos. A lot of us might have been resilient, but the general population? No. Say what you want, but the old internet wasn't a place for the general population of kids. Personally, it led me to become very suspicious of EVERYONE later on. How do I know this person isn't secretly a fucking weirdo online? Definitely put a damper on socializing.

As far as money and careers go, so many of the fields we were told were gonna be big are heavily saturated. School is very expensive and very difficult if you're in a position where you have to work long hours to support yourself while probably not making ends meet. I saw a girl that was so broke while in school that she was eating fucking condiment packets because it was either have a home or food. If you want a house or apartment, you can either get a fair price and live in the ghetto or pay out the ass for a nicer area and a tiny home. We also had really shitty schools. The schools started to really not give a fuck during this generation. We also saw the beginning of the sneaky SJW spiral. Many fell into it early because on paper it sounded nice. Equality and all that shit. And most just didn't notice when things were getting more and more ridiculous. And now their social circles are stuck in this PC circlejerk and a lot probably feel trapped in it. Scared to lose their friends or be outed as "being on the wrong side". Many others have just doubled down.

I mostly blame shitty and unavailable parents. The rising drug abuse (I bet most of you have a family member or two that had surgery and got hooked on pain pills). Everyone being told they're special and unique. Being plopped in front of a computer to raise you. Shut up now. Mommy is an individual and she needs to go get laid since daddy never came back from the store 5 years ago. Have some computer time.

But I grew up with drug addicts and I turned out fine.

 

[Lackadaisy]

I think the education system has a lot to do with it in the UK at least. For the last 15/20 years there's been a massive push to get as many school leavers as possible to go to college and university because of the fucked up way school league tables work in the UK. To do this, schools teach students that NOT getting into uni makes you a garbage person and that the careers that don't require a degree (but are in many ways more essential to the proper running of a country) are somehow less valid than the ones that do. Schools concentrate time, resources and support on children who are academically gifted in the first place and arguably don't really need the support, they're smart, they'll do fine, and without the drive to go to uni a lot of them would choose vocational, skilled careers like engineering or electrical work. This leads to people who may not be academically gifted but may have untapped vocational talent leaving school feeling worthless so they never bother trying to have a career of any sort. Those that do go to university often have no real idea what they're going to do afterwards so they pick up a worthless degree in psychology or philosophy and leave university too entitled and stuck up to lower themselves to manual work. What we're then left with is a massive skills gap at one end of which are the braying graduates who think the world owes them a living because they view themselves as belonging to some sort of intellectual elite and at the other lazy, jobless, complacent, layabouts who have no hope so they jump on any bandwagon they can find to apportion blame. Most of our plumbers, sparkies and brickies come from Poland these days. It's a shame, the old school British spirit is there, but the school system suppresses it and conditions people to be lazy or elite.

It's a very similar situation here in the States, but it's gotten somewhat better from what interactions I've had with today's public school system as opposed to even 10 years ago.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

There's an element of self-made misery to most people's problems. Doesn't help that we were taught to put a premium on self-esteem over self-respect but in general people have a vested interest in their problems whether we'd admit it or not, at least in first world countries.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

I think young people get really shit advice and counselling in general, compounded by baby boomers who still try to stealthily force the social memes that never made their own generation happy. Everybody is scared shitless of being a "dream stealer", so they encourage really dumbassed life choices.

 

[Vorhtbame]

I am reliably informed that there is nothing wrong with Millennials at all and they will be just fine living without career, belongings, direction, family, or religion unlike losers like me.

I am also reliably informed that their lack of access to all of these is my fault, and they truly want them, but I fucked them over somehow.

I am additionally informed that more drugs and a wider variety of drugs are needed to blur away the misery, and of course they don't take away one's ability or ambition to take advantage of opportunities as they come along.

I think what I'm trying to say is, how can I help you if you don't even know what you want, but whatever it is, that's not it?

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

I think what I'm trying to say is, how can I help you if you don't even know what you want, but whatever it is, that's not it?

You ableist FUCK.

Naw seriously, millennials think we're so goddamn special that our problems are somehow different than anybody else's. And they are. They're less important.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

It's a very similar situation here in the States, but it's gotten somewhat better from what interactions I've had with today's public school system as opposed to even 10 years ago.

Our problems are about to grow exponentially because when we leave the EU we lose easy access to the pool of skilled vocational labor that comes with being EU members and having freedom of movement. Most EU nationals currently living in England are wonderful examples of Schroedingers Immigrant, simultaneously too lazy to work and stealing all our jobs. I don't think a lot of millenials realize that fruit doesn't pick itself and stuff you put in your wheelie bin doesn't evaporate overnight by means of some taxpayer funded magic initiative. People have to do jobs, from the top to the bottom, to make a country work. Council work for instance, grounds maintenance, emptying bins, clearing drains etc. Nowadays it's a 'failure' job farmed out to private companies employing foreign workers who don't suffer from millennial entitlement. 60 years ago my Grandad was a council worker and he was respected for it. It was valued and well thought of to work to keep a community clean and functioning.

 

[Irrelevant]

I think stuff like overly blaming anxiety for everything is self inflicted. Everyone has anxiety when they're doing something new.

It used to be that your parents and teachers would force you to fake it till you make it, which as a teenager is easy because adults recognise you've been put up to it and give you a break. Now they're allowed to opt out of everything and get no experience like those lazy girls who always had an excuse to skip PE.

 

[Rei is shit]

This tweet actually hits the nail on the head by accident.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1125891810595954688

USA TODAY on Twitter: "The average adult in the USA spends $1,497 a m…

archived 9 May 2019 00:18:31 UTC

archive.fo

Notice that the original tweet isn't making any kind of moralizing judgement. No where does it say "you shouldn't spend money on these things". Yet tons of the replies are essentially "lol I guess I wont eat". No bitch you are not going to starve if you stop ordering takeout and forgo your daily mocha-latte three caramel pump frapp with 2% m.ilk.

There are so many people I've encountered who are essentially living an upper-middle class life in terms of consumption but aren't anywhere close to that in terms of income. Then they bitch about how little they have in savings, or worst yet how much all their bills cost when half of those bills are complete non-essentials. There is a lot of strange entitlement that provokes a visceral reaction when pointed out. How much happier are you with all that crap you ordered off amazon in the middle of the night? Do you really need subscriptions to ever streaming service under the sun, especially when piracy is easier than ever before? Why do you need a new iphone or macbook when all you do with both is browse netflix and post on twitter?

This sort of mentality seems to be cordoned off to those who grew up better off though. Everyone I know who was poor has a handle on their finances, actually saves their money and doesnt buy tons of useless shit all the time (minus the druggies that is ). Almost everyone I know from middle/upper class suburbs is pretty much living paycheck to paycheck, even the ones making a fairly good income.

And there is a similar difference when it comes to, well DIY shit. Those from better backgrounds will call someone up when their toilet breaks even though its just $15 parts from a hardware store and >10mins of work to fix it. They have this mentality that they cant do basic shit and need to get someone to do it for them, even though its literally never been easier to learn how to do pretty much anything. The poor kids don't balk from fixing shit themselves though, probably because thats what they had to do as children.

Then there is the social media addiction. I love shitposting as much as anyone but when you need to check your instagram in the middle of the movie, or during dinner, or even when you are walking down the street, then you have a fucking issue and just need to delete that shit. But plenty of fucks are flat out addicted to getting (yous) and hearing that slot machine sound from their app of choice.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Oh, yeah another exceptional thing millennials do, which fucks up their finances. There's this really bizarre aversion millennials have to living in suburbs. For some reason, most of the ones I meet, what to live smack in the middle of the cities, which is just idiotic. Even if your job is located in a major metropolitan area, you can likely find a small house in a decent suburb near enough to it, and not only will the mortgage likely be cheaper than rent in the downtown area, you also wont be just throwing your money down the toilet bowl.

A lot of why they idolize the cities is to them, it's a trendy utopia with the same "quirky XD" people as them. Hipster bars and restaurants and popular spots for them are only a walk or subway ride away. To delusional troons it's also the only place where they won't literally get killed in the country. It's also where all the trendy tech jobs are despite rent being literally sky high there.

Further out from the city there's some reasons millennials wouldn't want to live there. The one thing they loathe is slow and pricey internet, and big cities or even suburbs tend to offer far faster internet than that of some rural area where having to pay your ISP to run cable down to your house isn't uncommon.

 

[TiggerNits]

Yes, but that's true for every single generation. I'm an X'er and we have such a "Fuck it, we'll just do it live" mentality about goddamed everything that it means we always come off as slackers when we really should be buckling down.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

As a very late millennial (I was born in 1996), I'd say personally that yeah a lot of my attitudes were directed out of self-made misery, specifically those involving relationships (romantic or otherwise) and my innate abilities. After a 3 month stint in NEETdom and a bit of self-reflection, I've come to realize that a lot of it is either flat out bullshit or able to be remedied through more social interactions with the people around me instead of staying in my own world on the phone. Now that I'm back in school in my final semester (at least for BS. I'm basically staying at the same school for my Masters in Mathematics), I've decided for the rest of my time in school I'm not gonna be glued to my laptop other than when I'm doing a project, maybe at lunch or when I have like an hour break or something between classes. Life is too short to isolate yourself. I think I'm just going to go to clubs and organizations I'm interested in and talk to people with common interests. Who knows. There might be a cute girl to talk to there. But yeah, I figured that I have between 5 - 7 years of the best years of my life, I should start enjoying them more.

Pointless padding aside, yeah a lot of the problems millennials face are self-imposed, but the good news is that most of them have a quick and easy fix: don't put life on standby and go hang out with friends and shit on the weekend. Also, don't go to college if you're going to get a meme degree like business or gender studies.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

This tweet actually hits the nail on the head by accident.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1125891810595954688

USA TODAY on Twitter: "The average adult in the USA spends $1,497 a m…

archived 9 May 2019 00:18:31 UTC

archive.fo

Notice that the original tweet isn't making any kind of moralizing judgement. No where does it say "you shouldn't spend money on these things". Yet tons of the replies are essentially "lol I guess I wont eat". No bitch you are not going to starve if you stop ordering takeout and forgo your daily mocha-latte three caramel pump frapp with 2% m.ilk.

There are so many people I've encountered who are essentially living an upper-middle class life in terms of consumption but aren't anywhere close to that in terms of income. Then they bitch about how little they have in savings, or worst yet how much all their bills cost when half of those bills are complete non-essentials. There is a lot of strange entitlement that provokes a visceral reaction when pointed out. How much happier are you with all that crap you ordered off amazon in the middle of the night? Do you really need subscriptions to ever streaming service under the sun, especially when piracy is easier than ever before? Why do you need a new iphone or macbook when all you do with both is browse netflix and post on twitter?

This sort of mentality seems to be cordoned off to those who grew up better off though. Everyone I know who was poor has a handle on their finances, actually saves their money and doesnt buy tons of useless shit all the time (minus the druggies that is ). Almost everyone I know from middle/upper class suburbs is pretty much living paycheck to paycheck, even the ones making a fairly good income.

And there is a similar difference when it comes to, well DIY shit. Those from better backgrounds will call someone up when their toilet breaks even though its just $15 parts from a hardware store and >10mins of work to fix it. They have this mentality that they cant do basic shit and need to get someone to do it for them, even though its literally never been easier to learn how to do pretty much anything. The poor kids don't balk from fixing shit themselves though, probably because thats what they had to do as children.

Then there is the social media addiction. I love shitposting as much as anyone but when you need to check your instagram in the middle of the movie, or during dinner, or even when you are walking down the street, then you have a fucking issue and just need to delete that shit. But plenty of fucks are flat out addicted to getting (yous) and hearing that slot machine sound from their app of choice.

The triggered dumb spender is a real thing. Frivolous spending has been completely normalized for things that would have been balked at 20+ years ago. I think access to endless student loans and credit turned a whole generation of coddled middle class teenagers into trust fund kids for four years, then they never grew out of it.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

The Zoomers will save is from the Millennials' tyranny. Probably they'll work out a plan on blockchainchan to poison all the avocado toast or something. Just avoid avocado toast until after the

Zoomers Rise Up!
BOTTOM TEXT

movement happens. Avoid Apple products and Hollywood movies too. They might put genetically modified germs on the iPhones or Berryman Logical Image Technique images in the movies.

Actually go live in a compound in Montana, eat wild animals you shot yourself and don't watch any movies made after 1977. Also, be nice to Zoomers in the hope they'll not hack you.

 

[Irrelevant]

This tweet actually hits the nail on the head by accident.
https://twitter.com/USATODAY/status/1125891810595954688

USA TODAY on Twitter: "The average adult in the USA spends $1,497 a m…

archived 9 May 2019 00:18:31 UTC

archive.fo

Notice that the original tweet isn't making any kind of moralizing judgement. No where does it say "you shouldn't spend money on these things". Yet tons of the replies are essentially "lol I guess I wont eat". No bitch you are not going to starve if you stop ordering takeout and forgo your daily mocha-latte three caramel pump frapp with 2% m.ilk.

There are so many people I've encountered who are essentially living an upper-middle class life in terms of consumption but aren't anywhere close to that in terms of income. Then they bitch about how little they have in savings, or worst yet how much all their bills cost when half of those bills are complete non-essentials. There is a lot of strange entitlement that provokes a visceral reaction when pointed out. How much happier are you with all that crap you ordered off amazon in the middle of the night? Do you really need subscriptions to ever streaming service under the sun, especially when piracy is easier than ever before? Why do you need a new iphone or macbook when all you do with both is browse netflix and post on twitter?

This sort of mentality seems to be cordoned off to those who grew up better off though. Everyone I know who was poor has a handle on their finances, actually saves their money and doesnt buy tons of useless shit all the time (minus the druggies that is ). Almost everyone I know from middle/upper class suburbs is pretty much living paycheck to paycheck, even the ones making a fairly good income.

And there is a similar difference when it comes to, well DIY shit. Those from better backgrounds will call someone up when their toilet breaks even though its just $15 parts from a hardware store and >10mins of work to fix it. They have this mentality that they cant do basic shit and need to get someone to do it for them, even though its literally never been easier to learn how to do pretty much anything. The poor kids don't balk from fixing shit themselves though, probably because thats what they had to do as children.

Then there is the social media addiction. I love shitposting as much as anyone but when you need to check your instagram in the middle of the movie, or during dinner, or even when you are walking down the street, then you have a fucking issue and just need to delete that shit. But plenty of fucks are flat out addicted to getting (yous) and hearing that slot machine sound from their app of choice.

These tards are oblivious to the fact that spending $750/month on food is not normal. That's an example of self-inflicted misery through debt.

 

[Sprig of Parsley]

These tards are oblivious to the fact that spending $750/month on food is not normal. That's an example of self-inflicted misery through debt.

I'll be honest I want to see a breakdown of that food budget. I'm a fucking snob with food and I come in WAY under that.

 

[lurk_moar]

Remember for an entry-level job as a new grad, you need five years previous experience in that field.

Also, due to the fact that mouth breathing, illiterate tards have high school diplomas, high school diplomas now pay the same as a high school dropout or minimum wage. Nobody asks for your high school diploma or proof anymore.

 

[Irrelevant]

I'll be honest I want to see a breakdown of that food budget. I'm a fucking snob with food and I come in WAY under that.

My reading is that it's junk they buy at work or because they're too lazy to cook every day. You probably have to add another $200-$500 for regular home groceries depending on their snob level.

 

[Rei is shit]

I'll be honest I want to see a breakdown of that food budget. I'm a fucking snob with food and I come in WAY under that.

That food budget is all take out and eating out. Notice how many of the responses say something to the effect of "lol guess I should starve". The concept of buying food at a grocery store is nearly alien to some people. Hence the popularity of shit like premade meal packs delivered to your door with super simple instructions.