Does anyone else genuinely miss the 2000s?

[Linako 2.0]

Anyone missing the 2010s yet?

only that small window of 2011 - 2013

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Anyone missing the 2010s yet?

No.

 

[Super Sad Smile]

I miss watching Jim's stream if that counts

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

Interesting set of comments from a recent article here- comments were discussing the stagnation of Japan since the 90s:

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Interesting notion on how the Anglosphere largely still deludes itself that its cultural output is still 'good', while everyone sort of subconsciously knows that pop culture has generally gone to the weeds across the world.

I’ve said for a while now that Pax Americana peaked in the late 1990s and the best time western society will ever experience was between the collapse of the USSR and the 2008 stock market crash.

The great recession is what killed the, "You too can own a little house with a white-picket fence" narrative. There was no recovering after that. The rate of home ownership is still down around 5% since 2008, and that 5% that doesn't own a home skewers younger. The gap in home ownership between older and younger generations has increased since 2008 with home ownership rates among those over 65 increasing by 1-2%. A drop of a few percentage points doesn't sound like a lot, but in a country with 330,000,000 people, you're talking about 16.5 million people who would have owned a house in 2004 who don't in 2020. That's 16.5 million more people who do not know the stability of owning the roof they live under.

Obviously we have many more creature comforts, and it is preferable to be alive now vs the middle ages. However, if you swap in landlords for feudal lords and paying taxes for paying tithes to the church, you could make a very good argument that living in a city with no prospects of ever owning a house has evolved into a neo-feudalism. Many people's rent eats up well over half of their take home income, and taxes paid to government are greater than the 10% tithe paid to feudal churches. You have to work full-time because you need money to pay your landlord so you don't end up in the street, then government skims off the top before you pay your landlord. So in essence, the higher rent goes and the more income you need to pay rent, the more you need to work, the more government collects. The only escape is to eventually own a paid off house, or to live in an RV or van or something. They don't want you to have that, because it's not in their best interest.

This is a great post and is a big root cause of why everyone of all stripes is angry and unhappy: the concept an ownership society is quickly dying off. That essentially means there is nothing to aspire to except to consoom the latest content and see their quality of life slowly but steadily degrade. Home prices have shot up so high everywhere that it feels intentional that home prices will always be out of reach. All the trickle down effects of never being able to own a home cascade to thinks like not getting married, no kids, no real long term thinking and planning, etc. A doggo and an apartment in a trendy part of a city will never replicate the house with a white picket fence, a wife and 2.5 kids.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

2000-2010 was a better decade than 2011-2020. I also preferred the 00s over the 90s.

 

[Captain Syrup]

I’ve said for a while now that Pax Americana peaked in the late 1990s and the best time western society will ever experience was between the collapse of the USSR and the 2008 stock market crash.

Well, you know, I always figured the boomers were foot soliders in the cold war. We had to prove to the world that our way worked.

Now that the Sovs have folded (and converted to a sickly form of capitalism), there is no reason to let future generations prosper.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

I honestly remember back in the 2000s how normal things were compared to now. I had that optimistic mindset growing up in the 2000s mainly because times were so simple back then. Even back in that time, It felt like it was a completely different world. I never even heard of the term Social Justice Warrior until 2014 and ever since I heard the term, shortly after, they're everywhere. Then there was Black Lives Matter, and then Antifa and probably more cults of these faggot pests ranging both extremes of the political spectrum. Seems interesting how we didn't take into account that 2012 begins a slow apocalypse with every year progressively than exponentially getting worse and worse. How I worried about much less back in the day. Never felt so paranoid then.

2012 (Obama's second election) seems to be the tipping point where the radical Left thought they had a mandate to change society and started getting aggressive in doing so. I'd say the big problem isn't the leftists activists themselves (Ree-ers are always going to ree no matter what,) it's the fact that powerful institutions started listening to them and implementing their ideas. Twitter went from a place to share pictures of your last meal to an online Witchfinder General whose purpose was to sniff out heresy and destroy anyone who practiced it - even if their "offense" happened decades ago. I don't care if some Aposematic Hamplanet screeches at me - I do care if the Hamplanet and her Hamplanet Brute Squad hector my employer into firing me and forcing me into a Maoist Struggle Session so I won't be completely blackballed from any kind of gainful future employment.

Also, with the rise of technology, media of all types has become pervasive. Even two year olds spend most of their time in front of a touch screen these days. And of course, most mediamakers are Left Wing, so any media created by dedicated content-makers is going to be mostly Left Wing as well.

 

[Wulfpack Legend]

Some could say it was the beginning of the end:

 

[Captain Syrup]

Some could say it was the beginning of the end:

Ice Road Truckers is an actual show? I thought that was just Vince Gilligan taking the piss.

 

[Crex Crex]

Those who didn't experience the 2000s and the years between 2010 and 2013 know not the sweetness of living. 2014-2016 were the twilight years and after 2016 everything started to go to shit.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

I felt the entire world sour around the time Obama got elected. Before then, I distinctly remember pop culture being a very equal blind of races and Americanism being a central theme of all media. 2001-2008 was a golden era of Internet culture and general freedoms. I just remember after Obama got elected, half the country were evil racist birther rednecks and half the side was racially conscious pro-science smart people.

You know what's crazy? there was no SJW's in the Bush era during the 2000's yet him or his policies did not lead to a significant divide . The only thing I remember was the Stem cell stuff and Iraq war criticism but commentating from the media and public on that was much more civil than anything now.

 

[Captain Syrup]

yet him or his policies did not lead to a significant divide . The only thing I remember was the Stem cell stuff and Iraq war criticism

85 percent approval. We're talking FDR territory. New York Times, MSNBC. Everyone thought he was just the greatest thing since ice cream.

The free press during the Bush years was the pits. It got to where people were looking to comedians to criticize him. Then hardcore conservatives began to speak out. Turns out expanding Medicare, starting two wars, and cutting taxes was not fiscally conservative. But the administration was in lock-step; too well-organized. Anyone who spoke out was blacklisted forever.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I honestly remember back in the 2000s how normal things were compared to now. I had that optimistic mindset growing up in the 2000s mainly because times were so simple back then. Even back in that time, It felt like it was a completely different world. I never even heard of the term Social Justice Warrior until 2014 and ever since I heard the term, shortly after, they're everywhere. Then there was Black Lives Matter, and then Antifa and probably more cults of these faggot pests ranging both extremes of the political spectrum. Seems interesting how we didn't take into account that 2012 begins a slow apocalypse with every year progressively than exponentially getting worse and worse. How I worried about much less back in the day. Never felt so paranoid then.

This climate really hits me like a ton of bricks sometimes, I am so sick and tired of it.

There's a terrible paranoia and free floating anxiety you feel almost constantly these days that just didn't used to be the case.

only that small window of 2011 - 2013

I unironically miss the early 2010s by this point, it was the last time things felt normal.

Even 2015 looking back was a good year, while things were getting very Woke that year, it was still early enough that you could think it wasn't going to be that way for much longer, things didn't fully "solidify" until 2016 and here we still are years later.

2000-2010 was a better decade than 2011-2020. I also preferred the 00s over the 90s.

Pop culture wise, save for the early 90s, which was really the last gasps of 80s culture (ie movie likes Terminator 2 and Jurassic Park) the 90s really was mostly lame for pop culture and the 2000s is actually a bit more interesting.

A lot of latter half of the 90s movies are really quite bland, there's maybe some entertainment value today, but pound for pound I would say the 2000s was the more interesting decade pop culture wise.

2012 (Obama's second election) seems to be the tipping point where the radical Left thought they had a mandate to change society and started getting aggressive in doing so. I'd say the big problem isn't the leftists activists themselves (Ree-ers are always going to ree no matter what,) it's the fact that powerful institutions started listening to them and implementing their ideas. Twitter went from a place to share pictures of your last meal to an online Witchfinder General whose purpose was to sniff out heresy and destroy anyone who practiced it - even if their "offense" happened decades ago. I don't care if some Aposematic Hamplanet screeches at me - I do care if the Hamplanet and her Hamplanet Brute Squad hector my employer into firing me and forcing me into a Maoist Struggle Session so I won't be completely blackballed from any kind of gainful future employment.

Also, with the rise of technology, media of all types has become pervasive. Even two year olds spend most of their time in front of a touch screen these days. And of course, most mediamakers are Left Wing, so any media created by dedicated content-makers is going to be mostly Left Wing as well.

The left got super fucking greedy and cocky after Obama won reelection in 2012, they truly thought they had won for good and when people dared to question them and not just fall in line is why they went in the direction of witchfinder general, they are control freaks to the extreme and want literally everyone thinking exactly the same.

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2006 and 2007 were great, 2008 was the beginning of the end I'd say, but even 2009 was better than we realized at the time, but stuff like the death of Michael Jackson really was marking the end of a big cultural epoch.

You know what's crazy? there was no SJW's in the Bush era during the 2000's yet him or his policies did not lead to a significant divide . The only thing I remember was the Stem cell stuff and Iraq war criticism but commentating from the media and public on that was much more civil than anything now.

The closest equivalent back then to today's climate was the atheists vs Christians divide, people were bitterly divided over Religion much like how people are bitterly divided over race and gender today, a lot of the "new atheists" acted like complete obnoxious assholes much like SJWs today.

The irony is there was a schism when things started going Woke with atheism+ and many of those atheists from back then are actually singing a different tune now, but I feel like the fact that a lot of them also became SJWs is really telling.

But that divide back then was so much more in the background than what's going on today, it's not the center of attention like in modern America.

 

[Nigger Respecter]

Lotta youngsters on here don’t really appreciate how great the internet was in the early 2000s. How awesome Napster was. Every forum was either KiwiFarms-esque or ultra hobbyist focused with a bunch of pleasant 50 year olds. When the internet was in everyone’s homes, it was great. Once it was in everyone’s pockets, it was the end.

There’s too much media now. It’s too easy to watch anything you want whenever you want. As a kid who grew up with Blockbuster and taping broadcast movies on the VHS, it was special to watch something.

I’m really curious how the latest generation will turn out having grown up on media that they watched largely in part due to algorithms.

 

[Captain Syrup]

There's a terrible paranoia and free floating anxiety you feel almost constantly these days that just didn't used to be the case.

Every interaction has an atmosphere of bubbling violence.

I guess we're impotent in daily life so we act like a cornered cat.

the 90s really was mostly lame for pop culture and the 2000s is actually a bit more interesting.

Early 2000s was the last gasp of the indie/post-rock scene. Now you need a celebrity hedge fund daddy to make a career in the arts. They generally don't like to compete with the poors for jobs.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I remember in the early 2000's when anime was niche

Then weeb shaming became a thing.

I think it was related to the rise of identity politics.

Ice Road Truckers is an actual show?

Yep. I used to like watching History Channel earlier in the '00s, but then it turned into endless marathons of men driving trucks over ice. Also any history left was always about WWII and Hitler.

 

[MugolEx]

Reality is, things only ever get worse.

 

[Nero You're DeadWeight]

There’s too much media now. It’s too easy to watch anything you want whenever you want. As a kid who grew up with Blockbuster and taping broadcast movies on the VHS, it was special to watch something.

For me, I grew up with Hollywood Video, Movie Gallery, and I think it was called Game Crazy? Like those were always conjoined to those things. Renting dvs with my parents, always asking if we could buy those stupid over priced popcorn buckets with the candy and dvd rental those were the days.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Contrary to what I said earlier, the 2020s have been simultaneously fast and slow. It seems like the time at the start of the coof scare (like the panic buying) was ages ago. Yet at the same time, very recent.

So if this continues, the 2020s could be a blur just like the 2010s were. Like a few crazy years at most.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I know this is a necro of sayoni list thread but no joke this is an actual conversation my friends and I had when we were standing outside school in August exactly 20 years ago as we watched then prepare for back to school the following month.



Me: man I can't believe summers already almost over!

Friend: dude I know next months gonna be such a drag.

Friend 2: like for sure man September is gonna be the worst month of the year!

September