Does Chris realise it was rape?

[Monokuma]

I was thinking he held her secret like he would have with any other troll girlfriend due to the usual drama-backlash that they (the gal pals) would have to endure if people find out about their identity.

that's definitely a part of it but chris says in the message to null that he hopes people work out who is girlfriend is as he's drip feeding each person different info
i don't know how the communication works between chris and his online handlers but i have to assume that he knows if they work out who his secret lover is then the news is going to get out there. i mean that's been happening for the LAST FUCKING DECADE but maybe he really just does not learn

if chris didn't want people to know who is gf is out of shame or guilt, or knowing it was wrong, wouldn't he just keep his trap shut? yet again - this is chris who can't keep a secret to save his life from prison

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

that's definitely a part of it but chris says in the message to null that he hopes people work out who is girlfriend is as he's drip feeding each person different info
i don't know how the communication works between chris and his online handlers but i have to assume that he knows if they work out who his secret lover is then the news is going to get out there. i mean that's been happening for the LAST FUCKING DECADE but maybe he really just does not learn

if chris didn't want people to know who is gf is out of shame or guilt, or knowing it was wrong, wouldn't he just keep his trap shut? yet again - this is chris who can't keep a secret to save his life from prison

The interesting thing about the correspondence with Null is that Chris mentions he's OK with the relationship and doesn't attach labels to it. (In the context it could have been chalked up to the age difference, however hind sight is 20/20) Which to me means that he understood that it was a moral wrong even then and probably found some way to justify it for himself mentally.

As stated in a previous post, just how much progressive propaganda/incest hentai did Chris consume to come to this assumption? Who knows, but there is in all likelihood some or several different sources that led Chris to come to the conclusion that it was acceptable.

As for raping Barb, she said no and wasn't into it at the start in Chris's own words, which meant that she couldn't have consented. Even if that meant there was no actual violence. If we add in a confirmation of dementia, then that person can't be considered to have given informed consent. And even if it's proven that she did consent 100% then that opens up a whole new can of worms, as Nick Reiketa pointed out, consent from the other party would carry an additional charge of incest on that person. So from a legal standpoint it's best if Chris takes the whole wrap even if she did consent, otherwise she'd be in for a charge as well.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

The real question is, "was it rape?" Because we don't know for a fact that Barb has dementia or a cognitive impairment or decline that would make her unable to consent. No, her blank stares in videos are not proof. The official charge is still incest. Barb will likely need to undergo a mental evaluation to determine if it can be classified as rape, but then that creates the issue of whether her testimony can be considered reliable should they choose to take statements from her. They could easily just be choosing not to charge Barb yet because they're still investigating whether it's rape or not, or maybe they think she'll be dead shortly enough that it isn't worth pursuing.

Now if Barb actually said no and he continued it could very well be rape. But I'm not sure I 100% a conversation between Chris and a known pervert (who fetishizes children, incest, and animals and draws and consumes loli and shota porn, and tells Chris it's super easy to find CP online) to be completely accurate. Especially when said person seems to be a manipulative nutjob.

 

[Swamp Thing]

I akways found it odd that there is no separate English word for sexual love.

I would think "lust" is that word, though depending on perspective desire is entirely separate from love.

 

[Faye]

I am still not shure myself. I am flip floping. My gut kinda is telling me he doesn't even understand what he did was wrong. He did confess everything to Bella, if he believed for a second he was doing something wrong he wouldn't have confessed to this. But I did read from some one elses opinion that he did know it was wrong because he hid the details from Null, wich makes me think.

But what if he didn't want a man to know the details of it because it is a man? Couldn't that also be a possibility?

If he does know that this is wrong. Then why did he confess? Why didn't he just shut up?

And if he is really that incapable of shutting his mouth then what is going through his head?

I don't believe he thinks he raped his mother. There is a possibility he knows what he did is wrong but my opinion is he actually doesn't know this is wrong.

But only because I more or less think he is "innocent", I do not believe he is a good person. This is depraved behaviour and at our worsed our true selfs come out (so this is just him in his natural element). He needs help. I really want to see him in a hospital. Maybe one day he will fully comprehend what he did. And Barb needs proper care. Even if she wasn't the best human alive. She still deserves to die with the little respect and dignity she has left.

This is a sad and fucked up situation.

 

[Kamalla]

Even if Chris believes it was consensual, they should still be charged with rape. I have no sympathy left for him.

 

[starborn427614]

Sadly I don't think it mattered to him.

 

[trueandhonestfan]

I am still not shure myself. I am flip floping. My gut kinda is telling me he doesn't even understand what he did was wrong. He did confess everything to Bella, if he believed for a second he was doing something wrong he wouldn't have confessed to this. But I did read from some one elses opinion that he did know it was wrong because he hid the details from Null, wich makes me think.

But what if he didn't want a man to know the details of it because it is a man? Couldn't that also be a possibility?

If he does know that this is wrong. Then why did he confess? Why didn't he just shut up?

And if he is really that incapable of shutting his mouth then what is going through his head?

I don't believe he thinks he raped his mother. There is a possibility he knows what he did is wrong but my opinion is he actually doesn't know this is wrong.

But only because I more or less think he is "innocent", I do not believe he is a good person. This is depraved behaviour and at our worsed our true selfs come out (so this is just him in his natural element). He needs help. I really want to see him in a hospital. Maybe one day he will fully comprehend what he did. And Barb needs proper care. Even if she wasn't the best human alive. She still deserves to die with the little respect and dignity she has left.

This is a sad and fucked up situation.

He could always be playing it up for Bella because she's a massive creep who fetishizes kids, incest, bestiality, looks at and draws loli and shota porn, and based on her statement to Chris about "how easy it is to find CP online" she's probably looked at that too. I'm sure she fetishizes rape too with all the other red flags discovered about her.

My opinion is that until I have a lroper reason to believe it's rape (i.e. a rape charge coupled with proof Barb didn't/couldn't consent), I will believe it's just incest.

 

[Faye]

He could always be playing it up for Bella because she's a massive creep who fetishizes kids, incest, bestiality, looks at and draws loli and shota porn, and based on her statement to Chris about "how easy it is to find CP online" she's probably looked at that too. I'm sure she fetishizes rape too with all the other red flags discovered about her.

Well I didn't know that And I should look into that. Thx for bringing it up. I need to go puke now.

 

[Cheerlead-in-Chief]

Well I didn't know that And I should look into that. Thx for bringing it up. I need to go puke now.

To add to your puking: "Sonichu" itself has implications of incest as Sonichu and his wife referred to Comic!Chris as "father", Chris impregnating himself, Mewtwo being the foster father of Magi-Chan, and Sylvana....and marries them with Chris (since Chris decided psychic Pokemon/Electric Hedgehog Pokemon are his ideal mates).

 

[Blucifer]

Er....if you click on names, you can see how long kiwis have been around. Good idea to do that, can stop you saying really fucking stupid things. Besides, I cannot imagine the level of basement-dwelling tard someone would need to be to know every in-joke, word filter and all the rest of this site. And if you ARE, it's a really bad idea to let others know that.

You're welcome.

You have to go back.

 

[Quaver]

I’m a long time lurker who just recently made an account as a result of not having anyone immediately in my life that I can discuss recent events with. Moving forward, take in to consideration whatever my own personally bias may be, I’m happy to hear rebuttals to any of this.

That being said, I have been following Chris for the past 7+ years and I personally feel that he absolutely knows what he’s done is wrong. What we have been witnessing from Chris for the past week is him coping with that (including his tantrum in court today). For years he has made blatant hints to his thoughts on insest. You can track his progression of normalizing it to himself. Chris is completely unwilling to learn from his prior experiences and he uses the same exact coping mechanisms time after time to help soothe his conscious or distract from reality:

- He will profess a statement that in his mind sounds like critical thinking (“after much thought and meditation”)

- He will dance around a subject and purposefully leave out important details he knows make him look bad

- He will go ad nauseam supplying minuscule details explaining his behavior because he wants it to be known that his intentions are good. He believes that emotions and feelings are all you need to justify actions.

- If he cannot find a real world justification for his shit life choices, he will literally fabricate them out of thin air. Usually that involves his OC or some kind of guidance from Magichan. Often this is used in tandem to further justify the idea that he has used some kind of critical thinking explained in my first point. (This is also just fucked because it proves that he knows what critical thinking is as well as what the “right” thing to do is, he just outright refuses it)

- He buys toys he doesn’t need with money he doesn’t have. He might not be suffer from substance abuse, but collecting random shit is how he self medicates.

Chris has displayed all of these tendencies throughout this. Just look at his behavior in the hours/days leading up to his arrest. His “confession” to what he’s done to Null and his other contacts were purposely vague. He knew that if he were honest and upfront about what he had been doing it would be a bad look. What trolls have realized over the years is that if they provide even an ounce of affirmation, he will vomit his thoughts in a pure unadulterated stream of consciousness. This makes Bella’s intentions extremely dubious to me in her phone call with Chris because it sounds like she has been further normalizing the idea of having sex with Barb by casually discussing it and validating his impulsive tendencies. He further justifies it with his regular sperg bullshit excuses. Though he knows it’s wrong, he has trained himself to actually believe the insane things he justifies through repetition. From the merge and his OC, to saying that he and Barb have a deep “unconventional” connection. He believes it, but only because he’s convinced himself it’s real to distract from reality. In the leaked texts to Bella, he goes into full stream of consciousness ramblings because that’s just how he behaves when he is supplied with validation and/or a guilty conscience. You can see this all the way back in his emails to Megan. The morning of his arrest he goes out and buys toys to distract himself and give him a quick dopamine rush.

Sure, we could argue semantics on what he personally considers to be rape (which is already skewed as a result of his inability to separate fantasy from reality) but Chris knows the difference between right and wrong. He just actively disregards when it doesn’t fulfill his need for instant gratification and need for control. His intentions were selfish just as they have always been.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I'm on the fence given how warped Chris's perception of right and wrong has been for almost his whole life. Chris knew deep down what he did was wrong but in his mind if he could alter reality and convince himself that it's right then that automatically makes it right. It's why the audio contains Chris saying Barb started it and came on to him first. Which I highly doubt. Even if her mind had deteriorated to slightly little more than a potato baby's brain, I doubt Barb started hallucinating her fat tranny son was bob somehow back from the dead and asking to fool around again.

 

[Standardized Profile]

I think Chris believes wrong, through an application of perseverance and sticktoitiveness, can be made right. So it was wrong of him to have sex with his mother in the beginning, but if he kept doing it, she'd come around, the dang dirty trolls would come around, everyone would come around. And Barb, whether due to fading faculties, fear, resignation, or some other reason, did seem to come around. So will the judge, and the jury. He just has to persevere and stick to it.

 

[Tiny Clanger]

You have to go back.

Last in first out, precious

But I'm not sure I 100% a conversation between Chris and a known pervert (who fetishizes children, incest, and animals and draws and consumes loli and shota porn, and tells Chris it's super easy to find CP online) to be completely accurate. Especially when said person seems to be a manipulative nutjob.

I was wondering about this (not Murcan, dunno the rules for fucking yer Ma in FreedomLand™) cos here, this whole thing would be thrown out on the grounds of entrapment.

A known horny tard with Mommy issues, boundary issues, all the fucking issues plus a big manipulative streak vs yet another of the endless online baiters that have gone for him over the years - if this ever got to trial (which I doubt will happen) it actually wouldn't be difficult to paint OPL as a sympathetic figure. Sad, lonely autist desperate for love and acceptance to the point he's been blackmailed in the past, it's absolutely in keeping for him to have researched this boyfriend-free-girl then say whatever he thought she wanted to hear in the hope he'd get....whatever he has in place of a dick wet.

And every step of his previous dumbfuckery is minutely detailed across the internet, along with every dickheaded attempt to fuck with him. Any statements made before his rep turned up could be flung out (dependent on circs) so as long as he keeps his trap shut and managed not to dribble at any women present, I don't see how this could be successfully - again, that matters here, dunno 'bout thurr - prosecuted. There's so much grey area.

 

[whotfsaidthat]

how is it rape when barb literally seduced her to do this?

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Though an argument could easily be made by Christorians that he does. During one strange episode back in 2009 he was almost convinced into raping Rocky Shoemaker by enabler SonichuClone (otherwise known as Bill Riley). This was a dumb way to troll him, though some argue that Chris would've done anything back then to lose his virginity.

Chris was Bill Riley. He was the one who suggested convincing Chris to rape Rocky or “one of [Chris’] superiors,” no one else in that conversation went along with it and in fact the others questioned how that counted as trolling him.

My theory, based on subsequent events, is that he thought he could rape her and then justify it as something the trolls put him up to.

that's definitely a part of it but chris says in the message to null that he hopes people work out who is girlfriend is as he's drip feeding each person different info
i don't know how the communication works between chris and his online handlers but i have to assume that he knows if they work out who his secret lover is then the news is going to get out there. i mean that's been happening for the LAST FUCKING DECADE but maybe he really just does not learn

if chris didn't want people to know who is gf is out of shame or guilt, or knowing it was wrong, wouldn't he just keep his trap shut? yet again - this is chris who can't keep a secret to save his life from prison

Chris seems to have a very poor understanding of how information works. Like, he would famously make videos addressed to particular people on the expectation that only they could see it and no one else. Maybe he thought that if he didn’t directly say it, Null couldn’t tell anyone. Or he could deny it because he never said it. Or something.

The real question is, "was it rape?" Because we don't know for a fact that Barb has dementia or a cognitive impairment or decline that would make her unable to consent. No, her blank stares in videos are not proof. The official charge is still incest. Barb will likely need to undergo a mental evaluation to determine if it can be classified as rape, but then that creates the issue of whether her testimony can be considered reliable should they choose to take statements from her. They could easily just be choosing not to charge Barb yet because they're still investigating whether it's rape or not, or maybe they think she'll be dead shortly enough that it isn't worth

I feel like this is one of those situations where a person can’t consent. I mean, incest is one of the ultimate taboos. It’s ingrained into us not to hump our relatives. If you consent to it, one could argue that you must be mentally ill and unable to give your consent.

 

[Professor Iris]

how is it rape when barb literally seduced her to do this?

Eyuck. The thought of Barb come-hithering Chris made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Barb doesn't have a sense of boundaries when it comes to sex. She had several partners and baby-daddies before she settled on Bob, and even tried to pursue her own sister's husband.
That she babied Chris and did inappropriate things like spoon with him and made him sleep closer to her only cemented this disregard for boundaries in Chris' already addled mind.

That's one reason why Chris doesn't see anything wrong with the act even after he got arrested. His autistic brain was trained into thinking that it was okay.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Wether or not he recognizes as rape, it is clear he knew it was wrong. Not to him, no, but to the outside world. You can tell from the correspondence between him and various people that while he took glee in teasing/telling people about it, it very much comes off as a child desperate to share a dirty secret with someone - a secret they know adults/authority figures don’t approve of.

 

[Slagar The Cruel]

Here is the thing, Christian can delude himself into believing, or appearing to believe, anything.
Dimensional merge? makes a ton of easily disproven statements that contradict each other, yet he still believes it. When his prophecies dont come true he makes up stuff to excuse it.

Now we have to ask ourselves does that extend to raping his own mother?
In Christians mind he thinks that his mom is hot, and seeks out attention from her.
However, this attention is not just motherly affection, it is typically that between two people in a loving relationship (asking her to be more flirting with him etc)
Chris thinks Barb loves him like that. He wants it more than anything. In the livestream where he hugs her and says "you used to do that more flirtingly", she is basically begging to be let go because she is thirsty. Chris utterly ignores this to continue trying to achieve the loving affection he seeks.

If Barbara was not outright screaming and trying to push him off, I think chris could, in his mind, convince himself that it was consensual.

However i think deep down that Chris knows it was rape, the guilty way he dodges around it, and tries to stress "she made the first move" but not being able to tell anyone what that first move was really shows that he is trying to convince himself that she made the first move.