Does Chris really suffer from autism?

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Judging from the high functioning and less than high functioning autistics I've been around I'm pretty sure he is on the spectrum. I think he also has other stuff that may have come from how barb treats him, not getting therapy for his autism, or a combination of both.
 
Smokedaddy said:
Asperger syndrome is a form of HFA, but a person can have HFA without having Asperger syndrome. He isn't an aspie at all -- they don't ever get the childhood delay in speech development, for one thing. But he can talk, knows how to drive (sometimes over people, but hey) and knows when he doesn't have enough money to buy something he wants and is forced -- forced! -- to pilfer a credit card. He doesn't sit in a corner drooling on his shirt all day as far as we know, so he's definitely HFA.
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I think people underestimate how bad autism can be. Being HFA means Chris is high functioning compared to other autistics, not people in general.
 
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FemboiBunny said:
Yes, he has autism, and he has shown various symptoms of it, i don't think he has asperger syndrome, or as he calls it: "high-functionin autism" because well, he's a really fucked up person to have it, but even if he has aspergers or autism, it's pretty obvious that he has more emotional and psychological problems, he has shown pretty strong symptoms of paranoia, sociopathy and dementia...
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Asperger syndrome is a form of HFA, but a person can have HFA without having Asperger syndrome. He isn't an aspie at all -- they don't ever get the childhood delay in speech development, for one thing. But he can talk, knows how to drive (sometimes over people, but hey) and knows when he doesn't have enough money to buy something he wants and is forced -- forced! -- to pilfer a credit card. He doesn't sit in a corner drooling on his shirt all day as far as we know, so he's definitely HFA.

Agreed on the other problems, though. I think originally he had one problem (autism) then his parents cleverly used it to give him all his other problems. What happened to him during childhood / adolescence is known in formal medical terms as the "dumber than a box of rocks" approach to therapy.

Also: does anyone besides him and Barb believe for one second that a sadistic babysitter's torture ever happend, or had anything at all to do with his problems? Me neither.
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Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
 
FemboiBunny said:
Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
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I'm no expert on psychology or autism, are you?
 
While I'm sure his mental diagnosis have been debated numerous times, I was wondering...
Is Chris really autistic?
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Probably, but until we get to see the full autism papers...

Since his parents have stayed as far away from professionals and therapists as they could throughout Chris's life, the only time he was diagnosed as autistic, was before he was a teenager. The later examination, after his Sweetheart Hunt got him in trouble, was mainly based on the first diagnosis.
(According to the paperwork, the doctor didn't specifically test him for autism, but merely restated the old diagnosis.)
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That was only the intake. There is much more. It's emphasized on [cwc]Autism_papers#Background[/cwc].

The original diagnosis was likely primarily based on Chris's expressive language delay, (he didnt start talking till 7, but could likely understand language.)

While an expressive language delay CAN be caused by autism, its far from the only possible cause. Mental retardation, which Chris seems to suffer from, is another one, for example.
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True, true. There are also a couple of mental disorders that are often misdiagnosed for autism because autism just happens to be the most 'popular' diagnosis.

Now, why wouldn't Chris, despite his extremely excentric, egocentric and dumb behaviours not be autistic?

For one, we have seen his behaviours detoriate over time. While this is likely caused by external influences (loss of gal pals for example) Autism doesn't get worse with time.
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There are these girls on the internet that around 20 lost the ability to speak, but they haven't been able to prove autism. (Likely even faking it for attention)

Secondly, Autistic people tend to have a poor understanding of social cues and behaviours. Interrupting in conversations for example, or talking the same way in different settings. Chris does this too some times, but it seems more based on egocentrism than anything else. When he's after something he wants (like china, sweet china!) he doesn't seem to have any problems with addressing different situations and settings in an appropriate way. For examples, just look at his chats with his Honest and True sweethearts, or the phone chat with Jackies father.
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But there are many situations where he clearly doesn't understand social cues.

Thirdly, Autism is often categorized by things like social impairments, like the lack of nonverbal behaviours in language: Lack of gestures, eye contact and body postures. Does that sound like Chris? Hardly. (Just look at the claw if fail!) Singular and fanatical devotion to interests and a lack of imagination are also attributes seen in autistic people, compare that with Chris who quit drawing and vids when "the inspiration left him", but who can hardly be accused of lacking symbolism and imagination in play. (Sure, blatant copying in his imagination. But the point stands. Autists are more likely to be interested in concrete things: Like trains, rather than an imaginary though artistically ripped off wonderland like CWCville.
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that's called aspergers.

Chris is also able to understand other people's emotions, and he has no problems expressing his own, highly theatrical emotions. He knows that his actions can make other people sad, happy etc. The reason he seems to be lacking empathy is because he doesn't care that much and is highly egocentrical.
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Have you ever seen Chris crying? He has only claimed to have cried just once, and that was when Patti died. There is no actual proof of him actually crying.

His problems seem to be caused more by borderline mental retardation, and a highly narcissistic and egocentric personality, but I kinda doubt he really is autistic.
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Yet nothing explains why he believes that Sonichu is real (see [cwc]Mary Lee Walsh#Meeting[/cwc]), suggesting that he is either psychotic or schizophrenic.

So he has at least 3 mental disorders if he's not autistic. Borderline mental retardation, psychosis/schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder/narcissistic personality disorder.

If it eventually turns out to be BPD, then I'm 100% certain :snorlax: has BPD too.

Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
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It's technically not used in the DSM-5, but has to be used to separate drooling (future) manchildren who will never gain independence from former aspies.
 
He has some form of autism, but It would be nice for him to get a new diagnoses now that he is in his 30s. I don't know if he would accept anything other than the label of high functioning autism. He's also a product of his environment, which isn't healthy mentally or physically.
 
Actually, as someone who has HFA myself, i'd see the Claw as an autistic trait - since, as you said, autistic people are impaired in their nonverbal communications, they often attempt to imitate the gestures of those around them, and what gestures are easier to observe and imitate than over-the-top, theatrical, ones?
 
ChaosAkita said:
FemboiBunny said:
Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
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I'm no expert on psychology or autism, are you?
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Far from it. Though I've studied psychology for two years, and have a sister who specializes in developmental psychology.
The thing is, even the "experts" concerning psychology and autism dont exactly agree.
(And no I'm not talking about ridiculous vaccine-crap here...)

HFA is a term that isn't really used anymore, and it's not really a clinical diagnosis. It just means an autistic person who functions relatively well in society. (About a quarter of autists don't have a functional language, for example.)

As for autism, that's also "an old term" of sorts. In the newest version of DSM (Diagnostical and Statistical Manual of mental disorders) Autism isn't a diagnosis anymore, but is replaced by "Autism Spectrum Disorders".

Psychology, and understanding of autism has come a long way the last 25 years.
 
ChaosAkita said:
FemboiBunny said:
Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
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I'm no expert on psychology or autism, are you?
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chill out dude, i never said that i was an expert, i was just asking a question, because, for what i understand, the term "high functioning autism" is not used anymore...
 
plus chris proves the term "high functioning" is very liberal in his case.
 
FemboiBunny said:
ChaosAkita said:
FemboiBunny said:
Isn't HFA and old term that is not supposed to be used anymore to describe a person in the autism spectrum?
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I'm no expert on psychology or autism, are you?
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chill out dude, i never said that i was an expert, i was just asking a question, because, for what i understand, the term "high functioning autism" is not used anymore...
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Well, I was asking a question too. I have no idea why you feel the need to get defensive over that.
 
ChaosAkita said:
Well, I was asking a question too. I have no idea why you feel the need to get defensive over that.
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And i don't get why you felt the need to get defensive about that, what's so bad about chilling out?
 
What somebody posts on a forum isn't relevant to answer the question, what his doctor diagnosed him with is what matters, so yes this is a thread and yes he really does. Somebody get ready to dock that :tugboat: this month!

(ETA: level up to Rob Bell post count status! FUCK YOU ROB BELL!)
 
Just gonna throw my two cents here....sorry if the post sounds weird. I just woke up.

There's a huge spectrum of symptoms and diagnosis for autism. Shit, they thought I had autism because I couldn't talk til I was 4. Flash forward a decade or so later and I had a really bad seizure. Tuns out I had epilepsy my entire life and no one knew. Go figure.

Anyway, diagnosing autism can be a little weird at times because of laundry list of behaviors and such that doctors can go by. Times have changed since they first looked at him when he was a kid and I'm almost positive that list he showed has easily multiplied over he years. Hell, if he had gone to a professional and his parents weren't afraid of losing their special snowflake and tugboat, he'd probably be a fairly normal person. It's depressing how selfish his parents were. They could've helped him and instead.....the Chris we see now is the end result.

Tl;dr: the boys got 99 problems and all of them are because of autism.
 
Poison_Ivy said:
Tl;dr: the boys got 99 problems and all of them are because of autism.
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But a bitch ain't one. Because she has entered witness protection.
 
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