Does Chris still see himself as a kid?

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Tubular Monkey said:
One of the things that it took me a long time to understand about Chris is that he can be several things at once. Most people are cannot live the hypocritical lifestyle Chris does. They can't be a child when it suits them and want the privileges of adulthood when it suits them. The conscience gets in the way. Guilt and shame get in the way. Chris's mind is much different from yours or mine. He isn't bound by either outside expectations of him or internal expectations. He seems to live in a constant "now".
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I really don't think it's a matter of Chris-Ch­an being a child when it suits him. I think it's more a combination of him, like most autistics, not understanding social cues and norms - coupled with little-to-no training for that particular disability.

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Ironically, it is hard to empathize with someone who is incapable of empathy. It's hard to get into their head space, because we relate to people by putting ourselves in their place. But Chris is not like us at all. He wants what he wants when it suits him, without anything inside him saying it's wrong. There is no concern for hypocrisy because there isn't a little bell going off saying that he is either contradicting himself or doing something that he expects other not to do. On the flip side, it must be just as difficult for someone without empathy or depth to understand us. Probably more so, because he doesn't even have the imagination to step outside of himself. He sees the world as being filled with people whose brains work like his. How can he even conceive of what normal really is?
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Well, he can't, really. Chris needs concrete steps and rules to follow in order to successfully do, well, just about anything. When he doesn't have any steps or rules, he's forced to figure them out for himself. This sometimes causes rather hilarious results, such as the "Third Date" rule, since Chris has just about the same ability to interpret abstract concepts as that of a particularly dim-witted sponge.
 
BillRiley said:
Chris has just about the same ability to interpret abstract concepts as that of a particularly dim-witted sponge.
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mendoza said:
BillRiley said:
Chris has just about the same ability to interpret abstract concepts as that of a particularly dim-witted sponge.
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Hey! Don't be hating on the 'Bob! 14 Branchland Ct makes his pineapple under the sea seem like a palace!
 
Chris would probably use the word "man-child" to discribe himself, without any irony whatsoever.

On the other hand, didn't he get annoyed when his lawyer discribed him as "autistic adult child" or whatever?
 
I don't think Chris is mentally or emotionally able to grow up because of the way he was raised and how even at 31 he surrounds himself with toys and continues to buy more.
 
Mrs Paul said:
Chris would probably use the word "man-child" to discribe himself, without any irony whatsoever.

On the other hand, didn't he get annoyed when his lawyer discribed him as "autistic adult child" or whatever?
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He would, and he did.

Chris will gladly use whatever he wants in whatever way he wants, but if you use it it'd better be the way he wants too, or else you're a villain. How are you supposed to know what serves him perfectly? Read his mind. How do you read his mind? Well you don't have autism so you must be a mind-reader!
 
Chris doesn't see himself as a kid, he sees himself as a STRONG, MALE HOMOPHOBE or alternately a STRONG, TOMGIRL HOMOPHOBE.
 
To be fair, I also surround myself with toys and regularly participate in activities not generally intended for my age. However, I'm still a successful and responsible (enough) adult. This isn't even rare, anymore. It's a fairly large aspect of hipster and nerd culture, these days. Hell, most rich people do this, only our toys are more expensive. I don't see it as a cause, only a symptom of Chris' problems.

I agree with Tubular Monkey's assessment of Chris' situational identity... It's both the most fascinating and frustrating part of studying Chris. Age, date, time, social norms, and introspection have little-to-no meaning to him. When he exhibits any use of thse, I think he's just attempting to assign a human label to whatever impulse is in his brain at that precise moment. This can probably change second to second, either because the mental impulse changed with the situation or Chris' skewed understanding of the human label somehow changed.
 
Ive watched and seeing hes videos and red bout him- Chris and i belive he does not want to crow up couse in one video he expressed hes hatered against adult life , he sayd in bitterfull adult life or something . I belive it was from megan video where megan broke up theyr friendship. I belive that he sees himself as kid couse he can make a trouble or mess and get away whit it as kids usally do and so he could play whit hes toys emm umm simply sayng i belive he doesnt wanna crow up or didnt want to
 
Obviously he doesn't WANT to grow up. He never did. But has he accepted the fact, on any level, that he is no longer a child and thus at odds with the rest of society by still refusing to?

I was under the impression he had, simply because I couldn't imagine reaching the age of 31 and not realizing this at least on some very primitive subconscious level.

But Marvin said I underestimated how slow-in-the-mind he is, and he has inside connections, so OPL may well not have realized the ramifications of his age on any level.
 
He used to be like a little ki9d trying to be an adult. Now he is an angsty twelve year old boy who does what he wants in the body of an adult man.
 
He's lost his virginity, so he probably sees himself as an adult now. And a war veteran due to his battles with the trolls.
 
I've said before that one of the biggest absences in Chris' life is perspective.

Remember how grown up we all thought we were at 16 :lol: But then we moved on, we experienced new things both good and bad. Our life's got more complicated and stressful, but ultimately more rewarding (ideally) Now we can look back at our successes and failures, draw strength from them and keep growing. This journey is what gives us our perspective on life.

But Chris hasn't moved on since high school, he wants his life to stay in that permanent, perfect, mental snapshot he's created in his mind. He doesn't want to get a job, he doesn't want to take responsibility. All he wants is for everyone else to maintain his paradise for him while he plays vidya, builds lego, and draws cartoons.

The bus that is Chris' life journey broke down a couple of stops down the road from where it set off and is still sitting there waiting to be fixed.
 
Anchuent Christory said:
I've said before that one of the biggest absences in Chris' life is perspective.

Remember how grown up we all thought we were at 16 :lol: But then we moved on, we experienced new things both good and bad. Our life's got more complicated and stressful, but ultimately more rewarding (ideally) Now we can look back at our successes and failures, draw strength from them and keep growing. This journey is what gives us our perspective on life.

But Chris hasn't moved on since high school, he wants his life to stay in that permanent, perfect, mental snapshot he's created in his mind. He doesn't want to get a job, he doesn't want to take responsibility. All he wants is for everyone else to maintain his paradise for him while he plays vidya, builds lego, and draws cartoons.

The bus that is Chris' life journey broke down a couple of stops down the road from where it set off and is still sitting there waiting to be fixed.
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This is truly the ultimate mystery of what it is to be Chris. I've experienced so much more since becoming an adult, so many things I never imagined could exist when I was in high school. A lot of good stuff, and a lot of suffering I never imagined I could endure. But through it all in the past decade I've achieved growth, and more importantly I've attained a desire to continue growing. I know I'll suffer even more as I grow and age, but I look forward to it because I know it's all part of a process that will endow me with more rewards in the end - the most basic reward I'll definitely receive is that I will be mentally and spiritually stronger than I am now. I simply do not understand what it could be like for Chris, who desires no growth whatsoever and cares nothing for becoming stronger or more capable as a person. In the absence of something to look forward to, what does he have? I guess we can say the answer is nothing, based on how depressed he is, but even then it might be more about the situational facts of Barb filling his home with garbage and not letting him socialize rather than a more existential depression, and that is still more baffling and alien to me. How is being so willfully helpless even an option? How does the human mind not forcefully galvanize itself into some kind of activity, if only to break an intolerable monotony? I cannot answer this question, yet Chris does it without fail.*

*or perhaps WITH fail, lol*
 
Anchuent Christory said:
The bus that is Chris' life journey broke down a couple of stops down the road from where it set off and is still sitting there waiting to be fixed.
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That sentence made me almost cry, because i thought about myself, and my failures, but then I rembered this was chris we were talking about. :lol:
 
sparklemilhouse said:
Anchuent Christory said:
The bus that is Chris' life journey broke down a couple of stops down the road from where it set off and is still sitting there waiting to be fixed.
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That sentence made me almost cry, because i thought about myself, and my failures, but then I rembered this was chris we were talking about. :lol:
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In some ways we're in Chris' debt. Even if our life's get stuck in a rut or we do something really dumb, we can look at Chris with his never ending cartoon character like fuck ups and say to ourselves "at least I'm not that bad"

We should think of a way to thank him :medallion:
 
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