Does moral foundations theory explain why conservatives always cuck to the left?

[PipTheAlchemist]

how the fuck would that even work

It's called Social Darwinism

 

[Stoneheart]

is this what anglos think about how human morals come to be?
that explains alot....

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

no
edit:
I was just gonna say no because you can't back that up

no

Intelligence and Crime - Measuring The Size Of The Iq-crime Correlati…

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archive.ph

I can back it up.

 

[Little oak tree]

no

Intelligence and Crime - Measuring The Size Of The Iq-crime Correlati…

archived 24 Jul 2022 04:29:11 UTC

archive.ph

I can back it up.

"Intelligence and Crime​

Measuring The Size Of The Iq-crime Correlation"​

TLDR.

Looks like a crappy article, don't you think there are laws in certain parts of the world that are not moral to you?
And obviously smart criminals are not gonna get caught, and therefore they won't be part of a statistic about crime.
Get your shit together son.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Looks like a crappy article, don't you think there are laws in certain parts of the world that are not moral to you?

Saying that there is no correlation between intelligence and morality at all is equally disingenuous. People with low enough IQs lack theory of mind and can't tell other people have feelings. Low IQ people tend to display a higher representation of prison inmates, the reason why is unclear.

You want to talk in absolutes and I want to talk in commonalities.

And obviously smart criminals are not gonna get caught, and therefore they won't be part of a statistic about crime.

Smarter criminals are significantly more rare, and these are often the people with few recourses to get by and your embezzling Ponzi scheme types who, if they were smarter, wouldn't have to steal in the first place. I don't exactly consider Bernie Madoff to be all that smart, because he couldn't do the thing real stock brokers do. Then you have your significantly smarter criminals like international jewel thieves and Colton Harris Moore, but people like Colton are a rare exception, but I suppose exceptions are why it's called "proving the rule."

 

[Little oak tree]

Low IQ people tend to display a higher representation of prison inmates, the reason why is unclear.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact the prison system is full of poor people without education that were born of ignorant, addicted, dysfunctional, broken families.

Smarter criminals are significantly more rare, and these are often the people with few recourses to get by and your embezzling Ponzi scheme types who, if they were smarter, wouldn't have to steal in the first place.

You just sound to me like a privileged guy that never had hunger in his life.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

You just sound to me like a privileged guy that never had hunger in his life.

And here we are, pulling the privilege ad hominem. Now I know exactly what I'm dealing with.

Brainlet detected, opinion discarded.

 

[Little oak tree]

And here we are, pulling the privileged card. Now I know exactly what I'm dealing with.

Brainlet detected, opinion discarded.

Haha sure chap.
The only real global material privilege is having money. It's potentiality.
If you think there isn't a scenario where an intelligent person would need to steal to survive that just tells me you haven't lived much nor seen much of the world we live in, thats all, no need to get all butt hurt.
Many people are not even given the chance, that of course doesn't happen in your perfect bubble, but in this mad place we call world some brilliant people are sometimes living under bridges or rotting at asylums, but of course nobody sees those, they're stinky, yuck.
Your system isn't designed for the best to climb, it's designed to keep the same idiots up.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

If you think there isn't a scenario where an intelligent person would need to steal to survive that just tells me you haven't lived much nor seen much of the world we live in, thats all, no need to get all butt hurt.

I literally gave you an example of exactly this as an exception. It's almost like you're not reading half of what I write and you jump to conclusions based on opening statements. No need to get all emotional.

Your system isn't designed for the best to climb, it's designed to keep the same idiots up.

What system would that be?

 

[Little oak tree]

I literally gave you an example of exactly this as an exception. It's almost like you're not reading half of what I write and you jump to conclusions based on opening statements.

these are often the people with few recourses to get by and your embezzling Ponzi scheme types who, if they were smarter, wouldn't have to steal in the first place.

types who, if they were smarter, wouldn't have to steal in the first place.

What system would that be?

https://youtu.be/s7ZsYe5Uwg0

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Oh look, a meme song. Great source.

Am I to extrapolate from this that you're pro-defunding the police and a prison abolitionist? Anarchy is a great system of meritocracy, if you believe in survival of the most depraved.

How are those autonomous zones working out?

 

[Anti-Intellectual]

System of a Down is a shitty band with awful lyrics.

 

[Little oak tree]

Oh look, a meme song. Great source.

Am I to extrapolate from this that you're pro-defunding the police and a prison abolitionist? Anarchy is a great system of meritocracy, if you believe in survival of the most depraved.

How are those autonomous zones working out?

You haven't adressed any of my points so I just shared a cool System of a Down song as an answer to your question.
Hakim Bey may be a disgusting pedo but he has written some interesting stuff.
If I had to be a Nazi general of sorts to survive I would be one, and I'd try to use my position to help my victims, not because of morality but for empathy and fear of karma.
If you want to know about what system I'd implement I have an autistic thread somewhere here about that.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

You haven't adressed any of my points so I just shared a cool System of a Down song as an answer to your question.

Yes I have and I've given you generous compromises in opinion, I cited an example of an intelligent criminal to meet you halfway, and you have exhibited contempt for it and instead resort to getting personal only to be rebuffed when you do.

If I had to be a Nazi general of sorts to survive I would be one,

I'm starting to feel vindicated in saying IQ has a correlate with crime.

and I'd try to use my position to help my victims, not because of morality but for empathy and fear of karma.

1) This is like saying you would've been an abolitionist Confederate had you been alive during the Civil War. No, you wouldn't have. You at best would've been frightened of breaking rank and getting put in the camp with the victims you're guarding.
2) Empathy informs morality, if you're helping people because you feel sorry for them then you're acting on moral considerations.
3) Karma is rooted in cause and consequence morality, do bad things to people in this life, come back as a maggot in the next.

 

[Little oak tree]

Yes I have and I've given you generous compromises in opinion, I cited an example of an intelligent criminal to meet you halfway, and you have exhibited contempt for it and instead resort to getting personal only to be rebuffed when you do.

I'm starting to feel vindicated in saying IQ has a correlate with crime.

1) This is like saying you would've been an abolitionist Confederate had you been alive during the Civil War. No, you wouldn't have. You at best would've been frightened of breaking rank and getting put in the camp with the victims you're guarding.
2) Empathy informs morality, if you're helping people because you feel sorry for them then you're acting on moral considerations.
3) Karma is rooted in cause and consequence morality, do bad things to people in this life, come back as a maggot in the next.

You haven't answered shit and I don't even need to debate about that because anyone can go back and read.
Following the logic of my very hypothetical example, if I was forced to be a plantation slave owner then I would be, but i'd try to give my slaves the best life quality I could.
If I was forced to be an abolitionist I wouldn't treat my captured confederate brothers unnecessarily bad.
Unless they piss me off, we are all humans we get angry sometimes.
If I was one of the captured ones of course I would be rebelling against those fascist pigs, and with all the hatred I'd probably feel I would likely torture them if I got the chance.
Or like you say, maybe I don't know myself and I would be pissing myself while all my family is being gassed and raped or something equally horrible.
Is that so hard to understand chap? That the world is too grey for black and white morality?

First thing that google popped:
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
"the matter boiled down to simple morality: innocent prisoners ought to be freed"

• a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
  plural noun: moralities
  "a bourgeois morality"
• the extent to which an action is right or wrong.
  "behind all the arguments lies the issue of the morality ofthe possession of nuclear weapons"
  

There is no right or wrong nor good or evil, being compassionate doesn't equal being moral just as being sensitive doesn't mean being empathic
And personally I think Karma is ignorance, I can't know what is an absolute good or an absolute bad because it doesn't exist.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

You haven't answered shit and I don't even need to debate about that because anyone can go back and read.

This coming from someone who refuses to read a source when it's provided.

Following the logic of my very hypothetical example, if I was forced to be a plantation slave owner then I would be, but i'd try to give my slaves the best life quality I could.

Or you could just free the slaves and give them paying jobs with the option to leave.

If I was forced to be an abolitionist I wouldn't treat my captured confederate brothers unnecessarily bad.
Unless they piss me off, we are all humans we get angry sometimes.

What a great correctional officer you would make.

If I was one of the captured ones of course I would be rebelling against those fascist pigs

Fascist? What's this "fascist" you speak of? I've never heard this term before, please define it in no uncertain terms.

and with all the hatred I'd probably feel I would likely torture them if I got the chance.

So if you were a plantation owner you'd keep the slaves, but if you were a slave you'd fight until you were reduced to red paste? This sounds like hypocrisy, "it's okay to keep humans as chattel when I'm the one doing it, but not okay when I'm the forced labor."

Or like you say, maybe I don't know myself and I would be pissing myself while all my family is being gassed and raped or something equally horrible.
Is that so hard to understand chap? That the world is too grey for black and white morality?

The argument was never about the shades of morality, it was about if criminal/immoral behavior had a correlation with IQ, you stated I couldn't provide a source supporting the claim and I did, one which you disregarded entirely without addressing its contents.

First thing that google popped:
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
"the matter boiled down to simple morality: innocent prisoners ought to be freed"

• a particular system of values and principles of conduct, especially one held by a specified person or society.
  plural noun: moralities
  "a bourgeois morality"
• the extent to which an action is right or wrong.
  "behind all the arguments lies the issue of the morality ofthe possession of nuclear weapons"

There is no right or wrong nor good or evil, being compassionate doesn't equal being moral just as being sensitive doesn't mean being empathic
And personally I think Karma is ignorance, I can't know what is an absolute good or an absolute bad because it doesn't exist.

That's all well and good philosophically, but the illegality of wanton murder is a staple mainstay of morality for a majority of cultures worldwide. The exceptions you get are from murder cults like the Mayans or Aztecs who believed they had to make human sacrifices to the sun.

 

[Little oak tree]

Or you could just free the slaves and give them paying jobs with the option to leave.

Bro in my examples I told you it's either that or death.

What a great correctional officer you would make.

Being a correctional officer is way different than being a soldier in a war.

Fascist? What's this "fascist" you speak of? I've never heard this term before, please define it in no uncertain terms.

Absolute centralized power.
That can be of many ways in a lot of different scenarios, some i'd consider better than others.

So if you were a plantation owner you'd keep the slaves, but if you were a slave you'd fight until you were reduced to red paste? This sounds like hypocrisy, "it's okay to keep humans as chattel when I'm the one doing it, but not okay when I'm the forced labor."

My dude that's the whole point.
I wouldn't treat my slaves like the hypothetical guards were treating me.

The argument was never about the shades of morality, it was about if criminal/immoral behavior had a correlation with IQ, you stated I couldn't provide a source supporting the claim and I did, one which you disregarded entirely without addressing its contents.

Son, I'll assume you are trolling at this point.

but the illegality of wanton murder is a staple mainstay of morality for a majority of cultures worldwide.

I'll just leave here this scene from shutter island, I know you don't like pop culture and it may be pretentious but this is what I thought about when I made the Nazi sort of general example.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Bro in my examples I told you it's either that or death.

Bullshit dichotomy, black freeman were a thing.

Being a correctional officer is way different than being a soldier in a war.

I was being facetious, referencing your dislike of prisons.

Absolute centralized power.
That can be of many ways in a lot of different scenarios, some i'd consider better than others.

Shit definition and it applies too broadly to just about every government prior to the U.S. Revolutionary war, be it an autocracy or matriarchy, but ironically couldn't apply to the Confederates since they were a coalition of independent states and decentralized. According to your definition, how would your concept of Fascism be different from say, the government of Ancient Rome?

My dude that's the whole point.
I wouldn't treat my slaves like the hypothetical guards were treating me.

"Ethical" slavery is still slavery.

Son, I'll assume you are trolling at this point.

You don't have to address anything if you simply pass it off as a joke, I understand.