Does our consciousness end after we die? Or do we get 'reborn' as another creature?

Do you believe in reincarnation?

  • Yes, but not in the spiritual sense.

    Votes: 4 6.2%
  • Yes, in the spiritual sense.

    Votes: 9 13.8%
  • Not sure.

    Votes: 21 32.3%
  • Nope.

    Votes: 31 47.7%

  • Total voters
    65
Honestly I believe that when you die you go into the state that you were before you were born. Does anyone remember what it was like before they were born? Anyone?

I assume that if you can be born in the first place, then the process can repeat itself. Whatever molecules that make you up however will be scattered around the Earth though, and the only form of life you will probably be apart of is whatever structures your atoms end up making it into after you decompose.
Yes I do remember what it was like . I became awake at 27 weeks in my mother's womb and I can tell yah it's not like people think.

That sounds like something Hitler would say.
And that sounds like something a immature Millennial would say please if it's negative or positive at least make it somewhat intelligent if you're going to reply not just one liners I'm not at Starbucks standing in line with a bunch of metrosexual boys wearing their girlfriends jeans talking about the next Call of Duty video game I came here for conversation about what is and the possibilities of what is not
 
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That statement is about as logical is saying flowers only bloom so you can look at them when you walk by which is clearly not the case there's much more to it they bloom fruit reproduction get attention from bugs that can pollinate them so on and so forth and in that same manner we are alive for time and then we move on but existence is not pointless because there has to be growth or decay and seeing as how we started out as nothing and we are full grown adults most of us at least we are in a state of expanding this is just one stage of growing up doesn't stop when you leave the womb doesn't stop when you get a car doesn't stop when your body dies

Holy fuck that run-on sentence. I couldn't pull in what the fuck you're saying.
 
And I know what kind of person you are, too. The kind of person who gets angry when you read words on a screen.

Enjoy being mad.



Even though you said bye you read this. Lol.

I am curious what exactly do you expect to try to gain from acting like this online? You must be getting some form of satisfaction out of it?. I'm sorry your insecurities both physical and emotional have left you sensitive to the point that words on a screen affect you emotionally however I am not a computer I am not the words on a computer screen I am completely separate no matter what it said on the screen does not actually affect my physical body therefore I do not allow it to affect my mental body and I'm sorry that your family talks down to you and doesn't even give you a chance to speak or at least that's what you think but acting out in the same way to other people over the internet is doing unto others as you would have them do unto you meaning you deserve what you get in life.
 
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As far as we know of consciousness, in terms of pure natural science and metaphysical naturalism, it is a process generated by chemical interactions, not a thing unto itself. With death, that process ends, and the mind enters a state most likely akin to dreamless sleep.

Otherwise, if some portion of consciousness does survive death, then it will most likely be in an altered state.
 
I am curious what exactly do you expect to try to gain from acting like this online? You must be getting some form of satisfaction out of it?. I'm sorry your insecurities both physical and emotional have left you sensitive to the point that words on a screen affect you emotionally however I am not a computer I am not the words on a computer screen I am completely separate no matter what it said on the screen does not actually affect my physical body therefore I do not allow it to affect my mental body and I'm sorry that your family talks down to you and doesn't even give you a chance to speak or at least that's what you think but acting out in the same way to other people over the internet is doing unto others as you would have them do unto you meaning you deserve what you get in life.

Lol you said bye and then you read it anyway. U R gay n dum plus mad.
 
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Lol you said bye and then you read it anyway. U R gay n dum plus mad.
I'm sorry I should have clarified what I meant when I said bye I forgot that you're 10 years old and that's what you say when you're going back home from playing with the next door neighbor's kid so clarify bye to me at least means in a polite way that I care not to talk about it anymore that doesn't mean I swore an oath in blood not to reply to any other post to make. But I'd be careful keyboard Warrior karma is right around the corner for you no action we take those without some form of repercussion rather that be positive or negative.
 
Oh man Miya El, please stop. Or... at least take a pause, collect your thoughts, and coherently organize them into something that could be characterized as an argument. Or even a statement.

So, one of the things you actually say in between streams of nonsense is that you remember being in your mother's womb at 27 weeks. Now... I'm inclined to doubt this since the people who study this sort of thing claim that's simply not possible at that stage of development, but more importantly, even if what you're saying is true it doesn't address anything. The question of remembering what it was like before you were born obviously meant "before you existed". Meaning the state pre-existence is likely similar to the state post-existence.

And I agree with that. There was no me until I was conceived, then at some point in that process "I" emerged. "I" continue to exist day to day, with some breaks in awareness, although I assume there are no breaks in existence. Then, someday my body will fail until the processes that make "Me" can no longer continue. At which point, I will be the same as before, nonexistent.

Again, I'll reiterate my previous argument. If you're playing a game of the sims on your computer, and I come to your house and shoot your computer with an AK47, what happened to that game of the sims? Is it in some other plane of existence? Or does it simply not exist anymore?
 
Oh man Miya El, please stop. Or... at least take a pause, collect your thoughts, and coherently organize them into something that could be characterized as an argument. Or even a statement.

So, one of the things you actually say in between streams of nonsense is that you remember being in your mother's womb at 27 weeks. Now... I'm inclined to doubt this since the people who study this sort of thing claim that's simply not possible at that stage of development, but more importantly, even if what you're saying is true it doesn't address anything. The question of remembering what it was like before you were born obviously meant "before you existed". Meaning the state pre-existence is likely similar to the state post-existence.

And I agree with that. There was no me until I was conceived, then at some point in that process "I" emerged. "I" continue to exist day to day, with some breaks in awareness, although I assume there are no breaks in existence. Then, someday my body will fail until the processes that make "Me" can no longer continue. At which point, I will be the same as before, nonexistent.

Again, I'll reiterate my previous argument. If you're playing a game of the sims on your computer, and I come to your house and shoot your computer with an AK47, what happened to that game of the sims? Is it in some other plane of existence? Or does it simply not exist anymore?
O now you want to have an actual conversation like adults? Well I would go over this topic with you specifically unfortunately you sound like you've learned everything there is to know and you are not open to changing your perspective in any way so I will leave you to your perfect understanding and mystery free existence.
 
O now you want to have an actual conversation like adults? Well I would go over this topic with you specifically unfortunately you sound like you've learned everything there is to know and you are not open to changing your perspective in any way so I will leave you to your perfect understanding and mystery free existence.

Well, as far as the internet goes, this is the best you're gonna get for adult conversation. I'll engage you in good faith, avoid using logical fallacies in my arguments, and try to honestly consider the points you bring up. Please understand what I'm saying next is presented in good faith, I'm not trying to insult you or make fun of you, but help you understand why you're not getting the engagement you seem to want.

You have yet to make any argument. You said something about flowers not only opening when people walk by, and existence not ending when you get a car. I do agree with both those statements. You then seemingly try to connect these obvious facts with the proposition that after we die, just like after we get a car, we continue to exist. But, since you've made no argument, all this is is a statement that you believe this is true. We know (vaguely) that you believe in some kind of reincarnation or afterlife or something, so you don't need to prove that. We are all convinced that you really believe that.

What's missing is a logical connection from the true thing to the theoretical thing. We emerge from the womb, yes, we buy cars, well enough people do, true enough. We all die, I agree. Then you say it "doesn't stop" when you die. If I'm reading your paragraph correctly you mean existence by this. So that's a proposition, existence continues after you die, which is what this thread is about. But you've neglected to put in any supporting evidence, or even any real explanation of why you think that, besides the extremely vague stuff about flowers and such..

For example, take my argument regarding destroying a computer while it's running a program. Obviously it doesn't disprove reincarnation, but it attempts to make a connection between "consciousness" or "existence" and "A computer program running". Then, I illustrate that when the physical hardware of a computer is destroyed, most people consider the running program to no longer be running, essentially, to no longer exist. I am proposing that consciousness and/or existence happening in our brains are analogous to a computer program happening in the computer hardware.

This gives you something to possibly understand my position and reasoning, and also gives you a direct path to counter my assertion. Maybe you don't think computer hardware and a brain are analogous, or you don't think conscious existence is in any way similar to a computer program. These are certainly valid positions to take, although if you don't have evidence, or a thought experiment (like my dumb thing about computers), it's unlikely you're going to do more than inform me of what you believe.

Or, hell, maybe we just see certain things from a different perspective, and we're not going to agree in the end. At least we'll understand better why the other party thinks what they do. There's no losing here, ideally we just both move closer to the truth. Even if we don't convince each other, maybe one or two things about our viewpoints give the other something to think about.

Now, this being a shitposting forum with few rules, mixed in with this debate will be personal insults, random shitposts, and insane rants barely connected to the topic. That's something you just have to learn to work around if you're gonna discuss things on the interwebs.
 
O now you want to have an actual conversation like adults? Well I would go over this topic with you specifically unfortunately you sound like you've learned everything there is to know and you are not open to changing your perspective in any way so I will leave you to your perfect understanding and mystery free existence.

Kill yourself.
 
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Kill yourself.

Now, this being a shitposting forum with few rules, mixed in with this debate will be personal insults, random shitposts, and insane rants barely connected to the topic. That's something you just have to learn to work around if you're gonna discuss things on the interwebs.

See! This is the type of thing I was saying you'll have to learn to work around. Thanks for giving such a good example sir.
 
Goddamn it, this is the second lolcow (or at least, potential lolcow) I've given detailed instruction to on how to be less of a lolcow, then they just go away. At least call me a fucking moron before you go, so I know you read the dumb shit I wrote.
 
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I beleive in the whole multiple universe theory where theres a seperate universe for every possible timeline and that you can only experience timelines which your alive in. So say you play russian roulette witth a fully loaded gun you would die in a lot of timelines but there would still be that tiny chance of a misfire so from your perspective you could mash the trigger and it would just keep misfiring repeatedly. Only exception i can think of is dying of old age where you would just die in every single timeline unless in one of them some way of stopping aging is discovered.
 
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