Does the actual "Left" even exist anymore? - Or, is it just edgy kids LARPing?

I really think a lot of the Woke Left's views and how they simp for the same corporations they claim to nominally oppose is because they're all still on some level rebelling against the old Religious Right of their childhoods, particularly its final form it took in the Bush years.

They still view the Right as theocrats, which are largely extinct outside of a few Boomer and early Gen X incumbents in the South and some of the edgelord "traditionalist" /pol/ fags like Nick Fuentes, The Distributist, Thomas777, Vox Day, and several forum members on here.

The thing is that the Yahwehists, as horrible as they may be, are largely defanged but the Woke Left is still acting as if they're still relevant, even if it's only on a subconscious level.

The traditionalists failed precisely because they did their damndest to conserve, but they sought to conserve all the wrong things and it ended up boomeranging on them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If the Woke Left ever does experience a backlash, it'll be like that but on an even more intense scale.

I know a lot of edgy tradcel retards say "hurr durr, the pendulum doesn't exist hurr durr muh enlightened centrist strawman" but the pendulum effect is a thing in American culture and history and it's been there since the mid-19th Century at the earliest and definitely has been a thing since the 20th Century.

The Woke Left became more powerful than ever in 2020 solely due to the grace of the corporations that actually run this country. If the corporations no longer view the Woke Left as useful, they will throw them to the dirt just like they did to the fundies in the mid-2000's.

I don't know if the corporations will stop viewing the Woke Left as useful in our lifetimes, but the real issue is the corporations. BLM, Antifa, and the Woke Left as a whole are merely their unwitting attack dogs and shock troops.

Contrary to what the Woke Left and the traditionalists will tell you, America was never a Christian theocracy outside of colonial New England's Puritans or the de facto regional theocracy in Appalachia.

We're a nation founded as a social experiment by educated liberals and libertines.

Unfortunately, the corporations destroyed this country decades ago

The current "culture war" is all due to corporations exploiting two broken generations and trying to preserve the old "Left vs. Right" dynamic.
 
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I’m so sick of that. Xenforo’s WYSIWYG editor has a bug with phone keyboards where when you insert a line break, it undoes something. What the hell?
Used to be an anarchist as well, still am.

Hate modern "anarchists". I get called all sorts of things and even anarcho-pacifist has become a dirty word in todays context- and the thing is, I'm not even that, but once I point out "dude, chucking shit at cars, burning down your cities, etc, is fucking stupid" its screams of "pacifism never gets you anywhere, traitor, etc".

I participated in Occupy and found the thing to be a joke, ie, people literally voted on whether we should be democratic where I was- what the fuck? There was also a "free stuff, take one" booth, with a bunch of cds and other shit. You can guess what happened with that and these people's reactions.

Even then, Id say that, while naïve and misguided, these people at least had some of what the old left used to be about, were oriented around class politics, reasonable stuff like opposition to the exclusive bailout for bankers, etc

Now- while I disliked a lot of the lulzy parts of that, with the stuff thats happened over the past few years and especially with idpol, BLM, the troon issues, etc, its just gotten so much worse. Its no longer about anything reasonable, decentralizing power structures, gutting destructive policies, trying to organize food drives horizontally, etc. Its about screeching as loud as possible to pressure public bureaucrats to virtue signal to your crowd. Id argue with people that no, not all cops are bastards, people laughing when that UK cop was paralyzed from falling from her horse were retarded, you can't just try to burn down city hall in Portland and then go "but why da po-leece be arresting us" and get called all sorts of names.

I've just basically given up on the "left" at this point. I actually still do volunteer in a number of things, the main thing I do is help with a food bank for the homeless, but unless I'm talking with some old head who hasn't been infected with this shit, I tend to just completely ignore anyone who is a zoomer and into leftism. The other thing is, left wingers almost never, never, never actually organize anything other than protests where they can yell at people. What happened to filling in potholes and helping out your community? All modern leftists want to do is scream and march in the streets, not actually build anything or help people out.

One revelation that did come to me at the gym a few years back, was that really the stuff I liked doing the Christians often did themselves (organize food drives, charity walks to raise money, soup kitchens, money to send to Haiti, etc), didn't come with half the baggage of the modern left, shut the fuck up about political shite largely focused on the charity aspects (might have a quick prayer at the start), and seemed to keep it on the down low. Of course, there are still evangelicals, to a degree- but I don't think theyre as much the mainstream anymore as the regressive left seems to have taken over the left wing narrative. The Christian demographic, I have grown to appreciate, because while it is full of a lot of normie soccer moms or dads, etc- at least when they get together its somehow considerably much more constructive than a majority of what the left has to offer.
The rich injected racialism, gender issues, and sexuality into leftism, signal-boosting them as much as possible over the class struggle. Now, nobody sane wants to be associated with the left, which now consists of affluent college kids who suffer from white guilt and preach radical ideologies of no substance or practicality to ordinary working people. The threat to the upper classes is neutralized. Mission accomplished.

Follow the paper trail. Left-wing activism in the US is not organic. It’s controlled by NGOs and charities, and the levers of those NGOs and charities are held by extremely wealthy people. Leftism didn’t fade away. It was bought.

I really think a lot of the Woke Left's views and how they simp for the same corporations they claim to nominally oppose is because they're all still on some level rebelling against the old Religious Right of their childhoods, particularly its final form it took in the Bush years.

They still view the Right as theocrats, which are largely extinct outside of a few Boomer and early Gen X incumbents in the South and some of the edgelord "traditionalist" /pol/ fags like Nick Fuentes, The Distributist, Thomas777, Vox Day, and several forum members on here.

The thing is that the Yahwehists, as horrible as they may be, are largely defanged but the Woke Left is still acting as if they're still relevant, even if it's only on a subconscious level.

The traditionalists failed precisely because they did their damndest to conserve, but they sought to conserve all the wrong things and it ended up boomeranging on them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If the Woke Left ever does experience a backlash, it'll be like that but on an even more intense scale.
The Woke Left are exactly like nutty Evangelicals. Their chief business is finding books to burn and things to declare taboo. Instead of think of the poor impressionable children, it’s think of the poor sensitive thin-skinned rainbow-haired queers. It’s the exact same sentiment, only updated and repackaged for a new generation. Straight white men are the new Satan. Trauma triggers, the new bread of the Eucharist.

Remember when GWAR went up on stage, and Oderus had the Cuttlefish of Cthulhu hanging off his crotch, and they sang obscene metal anthems against the first Gulf War? That was the leftism I remember. There isn’t a trace of it left any longer. It’s dead. Anywhere dirtbag leftists may briefly congregate, the woke left will move in and dust everything with rainbow sprinkles and demand that you take down the titty posters on your locker doors and take that CD with offensive lyrics out of the disc changer.

The Right are the new counterculture. It’s crazy.
I know a lot of edgy tradcel retards say "hurr durr, the pendulum doesn't exist hurr durr muh enlightened centrist strawman" but the pendulum effect is a thing in American culture and history and it's been there since the mid-19th Century at the earliest and definitely has been a thing since the 20th Century.

The Woke Left became more powerful than ever in 2020 solely due to the grace of the corporations that actually run this country. If the corporations no longer view the Woke Left as useful, they will throw them to the dirt just like they did to the fundies in the mid-2000's.

I don't know if the corporations will stop viewing the Woke Left as useful in our lifetimes, but the real issue is the corporations. BLM, Antifa, and the Woke Left as a whole are merely their unwitting attack dogs and shock troops.

Contrary to what the Woke Left and the traditionalists will tell you, America was never a Christian theocracy outside of colonial New England's Puritans or the de facto regional theocracy in Appalachia.

We're a nation founded as a social experiment by educated liberals and libertines.

Unfortunately, the corporations destroyed this country decades ago

The current "culture war" is all due to corporations exploiting two broken generations and trying to preserve the old "Left vs. Right" dynamic.
The corporations know that if they let the left and right unite into a single Nazbol bloc over labor and class issues, we will crush them.

America’s history throughout the 20th and early 21st century is one long string of bullshit military interventions that did nothing to make Americans safer and more secure and served realpolitik goals. Panama, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria? Complete shitshows. The second Gulf War killed over 100,000 Iraqi civilians and made millions more homeless, permanently making Iraq poorer and more susceptible to the rise of ISIS. The US and French intervention in Libya destroyed crucial civilian infrastructure and turned Libya into a hellhole with open-air slave markets. The CIA funneling thousands of tons of weapons into Syria and stoking the flames of the civil war there ended up making millions upon millions of Syrians into refugees.

They staged false flag attacks on civilians. The White Helmets were a fake propaganda psyop; they caught them staging “rescues” on tape for propaganda value, and many of their members were Islamic radicals who were also caught on camera beheading people and toting their severed heads around. The so-called gas attacks in Douma in 2018 were completely staged. The OPCW falsified their reports, and even tried quashing a contradictory report, as revealed by Wikileaks. The concentration of chlorine they discovered was in the parts per billion. That’s not a gas attack. That’s the amount of chlorine you’d find in someone’s house from them using bleach on their laundry. Bashar al-Assad didn’t do a fucking thing wrong.

American livelihoods are vanishing beneath the crushing mass of neoliberal corporatism, which insists on making us work longer days doing soul-destroying tasks while paying people peanuts for it, or, alternately, on hiring us on a contractual basis for minutes at a time and not giving us any benefits at all. Thanks to globalization, American workers now have to compete with actual fucking slave labor. Chinese factory workers spend about two years working in prison-like conditions before they’re completely used up and burnt out and replaced by fresh young blood. They stick feet on computer mice for sixteen hours a day and fall asleep on an assembly line halfway through their shift, and when they’re done and have to go back to their cockroach-infested dormitories, they have a sponge bath with a bucket before going to bed.

Thanks to the end of the Bretton-Woods system and the rise of the neolib corpocrats, we have to compete with people who live like human fucking livestock. If we protest, we’re told that we’re racist for complaining about their newfound prosperity. We are expected to hold multiple contradictory opinions. We are told that excessive economic growth is destroying the environment, but also that it’s good for poor rice-picking Chinese to make more money in sweatshops instead of picking rice. The word sweatshop has actually fallen into disuse among the left because it now has a racist connotation. PRC propagandists step up on the stage doing TED talks about how wonderful and liberating it is to be treated like human livestock and be paid fifty cents an hour to stick feet on computer mice for sixteen hours a day, and braindead neolibs in the audience wave their sweatshop-made iPhones in the air and eat it up.


“You’re arrogant and parochial to think it’s about you and your habits as a consoomer. We wanted this for ourselves. We’re masochist insectoid people and will do anything for money. Many of us would bend in the middle and straight suck a dick for a Franklin. That’s like a year’s pay.”

And meanwhile, the American dream of a nuclear family and a three-bedroom house with a garage on a single-earner income has fucking vanished, replaced with debt, debt, and more debt. I find myself agreeing with the Right more and more. Instead of colonizing space and preserving the future of the species, we give welfare to the undeserving and favors to the unappreciative.

“Fuck NASA. Going to space? That’s white honkey stuff, like mountain climbing. Gimme more gibs.”

We used to do cutting-edge aerospace and engineering shit here in America. We’re allowing our STEM know-how to dissolve into nothing. When kids unearth one of the Rocketdyne F-1s that sent us to the Moon, they cannot conceive of how it was built, because they can’t imagine making all those welds by hand. They’d get carpal tunnel and then they’d have to go to a wellness center and do Yoga for hours under the watchful eye of a fat lesbian with Troll doll hair if they had to do even a quarter of that work. Everyone wants to learn the humanities, and everyone wants to be some variety of dick-puffer. We have a glut of unnecessary journalists, lawyers, managers, and bureaucrats who are wastes of space and really should not even be alive. Any time someone like Elon Musk tries to revive some vestige of the old America, some useless dick-puffers in government whine that he’s not hiring enough illegals and metrosexuals to build rockets, as if that has any relevance at all to their performance at the task.

If you say any of this to a woke leftist or the average liberal, you will be given a blank stare of non-recognition at the least, or be accused of peddling conspiracy theories and vile bigotry at the worst. Frankness and obscenity are the domain of the Right. Comforting delusions are courted by the new Left.
 
Used to be an anarchist as well, still am.
But why? You even gave an example with OWS and people being offered free things, and how that was exploited.
Anarchists just won't work, ancap, ancom it doesn't matter. Most people absolutely need rules and a crime and punishment system to keep them behaving a cerain way. Even if that were not the case, you're just asking to be taken over by that other group who does organize and work as a collective.

I just don't get anarchists, I don't view the system as sustainable, and if internal disputes don't ruin everything, external forces will.
They still view the Right as theocrats, which are largely extinct outside of a few Boomer and early Gen X incumbents in the South and some of the edgelord "traditionalist" /pol/ fags like Nick Fuentes.
How happy will you be if it turns out he's actually gay?
 
But why? You even gave an example with OWS and people being offered free things, and how that was exploited.
Anarchists just won't work, ancap, ancom it doesn't matter. Most people absolutely need rules and a crime and punishment system to keep them behaving a cerain way. Even if that were not the case, you're just asking to be taken over by that other group who does organize and work as a collective.

I just don't get anarchists, I don't view the system as sustainable, and if internal disputes don't ruin everything, external forces will.

How happy will you be if it turns out he's actually gay?

Agreed completely on anarchism. Fuck anarchy.

And to answer your question, Fuentes isn't really my type.
 
I just don't get anarchists, I don't view the system as sustainable, and if internal disputes don't ruin everything, external forces will.
It's more of a "perfect world" idea. JRR Tolkien put it this way: "the worst job of any man, even saints, is to boss others around. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity".

Alas, you are correct: power vacuums are never a good thing. Tearing down a corrupt system can easily lead to something worse taking its place.
 
Agreed completely on anarchism. Fuck anarchy.

And to answer your question, Fuentes isn't really my type.
I just imagined you would find it amusing if the tradcath zoomer was actually a closeted gay guy. Especially given you cited him as one of the individualls attempting to bring back "traditional" morality, and your issues with Abrahamic religions imo seem mostly related to their views on sex.

The funny thing is I'm socially conservative, yet I still hate the trad movement. It just comes off as a larp/grift, if someone is actually X they don't need to tell everyone, and they don't make it their entire lifestyle/personality. For traditionalist people in particular, they don't live on social media of all places.

It's more of a "perfect world" idea. JRR Tolkien put it this way: "the worst job of any man, even saints, is to boss others around. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity".

Alas, you are correct: power vacuums are never a good thing. Tearing down a corrupt system can easily lead to something worse taking its place.
Tolkien was a huge fan of the Catholic Church though, so I can't see him as much of an anarchist, he just hated the industrial revoloution more than anything imo.
 
I just imagined you would find it amusing if the tradcath zoomer was actually a closeted gay guy. Especially given you cited him as one of the individualls attempting to bring back "traditional" morality, and your issues with Abrahamic religions imo seem mostly related to their views on sex.

The funny thing is I'm socially conservative, yet I still hate the trad movement. It just comes off as a larp/grift, if someone is actually X they don't need to tell everyone, and they don't make it their entire lifestyle/personality. For traditionalist people in particular, they don't live on social media of all places.

It's pretty obvious that Fuentes is so deep in the closet he might as well be in Narnia.
 
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But why? You even gave an example with OWS and people being offered free things, and how that was exploited.
Anarchists just won't work, ancap, ancom it doesn't matter. Most people absolutely need rules and a crime and punishment system to keep them behaving a cerain way. Even if that were not the case, you're just asking to be taken over by that other group who does organize and work as a collective.

I just don't get anarchists, I don't view the system as sustainable, and if internal disputes don't ruin everything, external forces will.

How happy will you be if it turns out he's actually gay?

Honestly, its hard to look internally and figure out why I became an anarchist. I think the reasons why people do now, versus why people did in the 2000s are very different. I can remember in the 2000s, there were a lot of cultural forces like the evangelicals or neocons being prominant that made people, especially youth, want to rebel against that.

A part of why anarchism may have become prominent is just because there also seemed to be a lot of distrust towards political institutions and systems. I think thats just itensified as of late. Its pretty obvious that the university system is just a ponzi scheme sold to people to get them further into debt when there are no jobs. Its pretty obvious that the war on drugs failed, it was mostly non-violent drug offenders who were paying the price and the way arresting people over marijuana and jailing them disrupted communities (especially black ones) just wasn't worth the cost. The way the government at that time lied to us about the Iraq war, how they bailed out the bankers and all that just disillusioned people considerably further.

You add in that people at the time just saw the democrat-republican thing as a blatant duopoly captured by neoliberals and saw the arguments from state oriented communists or liberals of "just vote for us this time, 20 elections down the line, well reform the system the way you want" and I just don't think there was any way to really justify faith within the electoral system or our institutions. You also have the corruption, the bureaucratic backlog, and the inefficiency of centralized control and the way it was all just sloshing around, it wasn't something I could put any faith in.

What was different in the culture is that left-wing politics were more seemingly class oriented, and the racialist stuff was only really a minor issue. I do remember knowing people at the time who were into things like Food not Bombs, filling in pot holes, mutual aid projects, and the likes. Even had an internship with a company called "trade bank" that created its own internal system to help organize barter trades for goods or services, kind of like craigslist or ebay. The entire approach was, government has failed us, government centralization often just results in even more inefficiencies, corruptions, or the like, but we still have to do something- we can't really wait. Lets actually do "direct action" and not just whine about things. That was the sort of thing I could get behind. Its why, on one level- I get community policing, but on another level, with BLM and Ferguson & with my own experiences in food drives, I knew these things didn't just magically appear over night and it would take a lot of work to actually get any sort of community policing going. I'd point this out, say that people were just creating a void, and random zoomers would just literally, and I mean literally, yell at me.

The entire approach of anarchism should be based around gradually transitioning away from the state. Its horizontal organization, as much as you can do so. Its not an absense of rules or anything like that, it should have more to do with the Nietzschean, Hellenic, or even stoic view of freedom. Freedom and responsibility have to go hand in hand. You can't simply be ruled by your passions or whims, the stoics seemed to actually argue that no man was free until they had mastered their own inhibitions and could act rationally. I think the end goal of anarchism is less and less realistic, because I don't think most people can handle freedom, but I still don't trust the state, and see most cases where power is being centralized as rarely turning out good. Sure, maybe every once in awhile you have a genuinely good and charismatic leader, but people are better off taking care of themselves at the end of the day and being more self reliant, and less reliant on the gubment.

Its sort of like how null was talking about how retards wanting to post childporn on 8chan or scream about nazi shit basically damned internet forums. I want to get to a point where people are smart enough on internet forums not to do this, so we can enjoy freedom responsibly. I'd like to see a society less centralized and with people much more self-reliant and not dependent upon the gubment. Will it happen? Probably not. People do also forget that there was a time when the internet was largely deregulated, and people didn't fling shit constantly because that would be a retarded thing to do with your freedom that would bring the entire thing crashing down, and it has many, many times.

Most people turn libertarian, and I did have elements of that. I just didn't drink the kool aid and believe that the only reason monopolies like wal mart of amazon existed was because the government gave them kickbacks. I also don't buy all the anarcho-communist arguments either. I don't think money is evil (retarded view that a lot have, tbh). I don't really buy mutualism because I have seen how most co-ops work, and theyre basically train wrecks. I also think that on some level, some people really do need some hierarchy.

My entire view at this point is, I think we need to be less reliant on the government. I believe an ideal society is probably going to have numerous corporations running around. I think that corporations that are more horizontal have a better chance of addressing the needs of their workers, but I don't believe in absolute horizontalism and "everyone should be paid the same" is stupid. I just think that society could be a lot more free ultimately. How I would define anarchism is that every ideology believes that they can maximize freedom, anarchism just takes it to a level past liberalism.

Stuff like being able to yell fire in a movie theater is obviously stupid, so noone believes in total freedom. Do I believe that a society where the state is shriveled up and noone is occupying the throne could be better? I do. Is it inherently better? Hell no, youre going to get a void filled in by something worse or RAZ like 9/10. To reach the point where your group of people, society, or whatever can function without a centralized lynchpin dictating everything, that takes a lot of work and a very, very responsible population. Thats really my goal, organization as horizontal and responsible as possible, and away from the state. Something more akin to the amish I guess.
 
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Ok, but how exactly can you be doing all of that? Even people like Null still need people to host his content, create teh hardware, etc. You say people should have more individual power, and sure. But given how complex everything is, that just isn't going to happen. You may know about cars, but I doubt you know how to build one from scratch, or design a new one, make the alloy, etc. We are at the level where people have to be specialized, and we have to rely on others to do things we don't understand. Medicine, infrastructure, etc. It's just impossible, even if you wanted to go fully independent, chances are it will be using solar pannels built in a chinese sweatshop and and maybe some computer stuff made by another corporation in Vietnam.

Most people don't know how it works, so we can't really be that independent, it's the price we pay for advanced technology, and you can't garuntee that those corporations aren't putting in spyware or backdoors. I think it's pretty much impossible to be truly independent in this world, and it will be increasingly impossible as time goes on.
 
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Fully agree, I'm not touting being a luddite or anarcho primitivism or anything like that.

Diversification is great, I fully embrace that. I probably side more with the libertarians view on that one. I don't mind corporations, my preference is for ones that are more socially conscious, tied to local communities, and if possible maybe a bit more horizontal with decision making- especially on decisions affecting workers livelihoods. Syndicalism, in a way.

I think that we used to have more horizontal decision making in practice when we had more unions, not on everything, but the really important things- ie, if you wanted to make a decision to fire 20% of the workforce due to bad revenue, you'd first need to talk to the union to do that, in the past. I don't think unions are ever going to come back, and they also had their own problems, but I do think having corporations or organizations that are more horizontal on major things like that, and do have decent enough worker input entrenched somewhere for decisions directly affecting employment, should be more of a thing. Like the entire way amazon or uber are, how workers have basically no say in anything and don't even have rights as actual workers (theyre just temps) disturbs me.

Capitalism isn't inherently evil. People who work harder deserve a bigger piece of the pie.

By independent, I don't mean that you should be a jack of all trades, Im more for society continues on, people organize and return to a more civic and community organization orientation, and when it comes to taxes- I either think situations in small towns with more direct democracy are a lot better to ensure that taxes arent wasted, or within bigger cities, we really, really, really need to curb the power we give to the state. Where I currently live, a few years ago our local municipal government increased taxes and dolled out millions to build light rail that noone actually used, took several years to build, simply just replaced 2 bus routes, and also put our entire downtown/uptown out of business for years during construction.

And they were able to do this without a referendum, without a plebicite, and it was essentially just gambling.

I just don't inherently like or trust authority or centralization, its often times very unjustified and those who occupy the throne often create situations where were more worse off than we were before.

I'm not saying abolish the state in any immediate fashion. We may not be able to, ever- but I def want to lessen the power and reliance we have on the state, and move away from centralization, not towards. In places where people are more rural, where they are more self reliant, yeah- I def think you have a higher chance of being able to do that and to a greater degree
 
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The word sweatshop has actually fallen into disuse among the left because it now has a racist connotation.
The key reason as to why political correctness was even conceived. By making a word or meaning less "triggering" or offensive, it becomes vague, confusing and muddies the actual context behind what is actually being described.

Sooner or later, "pedophilia" or "pedophile" will be replaced with something less "judging". Not understanding that long term effects are always going to be disastrous.

This utopian, hyper idealistic framework they're running on can only be achieved by totalitarian means. The frightening thing is that nihilistic kids think it's cool and "in" to want people to be completely compliant with the establishment. They've been completely brainwashed by sellouts and cowards who either grew out of their principles or were always opportunistic cunts riding a long con.
 
The key reason as to why political correctness was even conceived. By making a word or meaning less "triggering" or offensive, it becomes vague, confusing and muddies the actual context behind what is actually being described.

Sooner or later, "pedophilia" or "pedophile" will be replaced with something less "judging". Not understanding that long term effects are always going to be disastrous.

This utopian, hyper idealistic framework they're running on can only be achieved by totalitarian means. The frightening thing is that nihilistic kids think it's cool and "in" to want people to be completely compliant with the establishment. They've been completely brainwashed by sellouts and cowards who either grew out of their principles or were always opportunistic cunts riding a long con.
They’ve already invented a less judgmental term for pedophiles. MAP, or minor-attracted person. I shit you not.

The euphemism treadmill is all about concealing ugliness, and in so doing, removing any of the emotional impact that the words may have had on the listener. George Carlin had a good bit on that. I wish he was still alive. He would have ripped the Wokesters a new asshole or two.


The establishment is trash. It’s always been trash. The alliance between liberals and progressives to “protect democracy” against the right is one of the most appalling things I’ve ever seen. What democracy? The democracy of Amazon and Walmart? The democracy of extraordinary rendition, rectal feeding, and spooks smuggling cocaine on turboprops? What is there to preserve? What is there to defend?

You know, I frequently see right-wingers being accused of being in a cult, but I think that’s backwards. Liberals are in a cult. They’ve turned finance and bureaucracy into religions with a priestly caste and inviolable places of worship. You can criticize phony elected officials and the fake political theater they put on all you want, but raise a word of protest against civil servants and oligarchs and shady government contractors and the NGOs they use to control and manipulate people, and whoops. Now you’re outside the Overton Window. Now you’re a crank. After all, what manner of awful misanthrope would lambaste philanthropists and learned men of character?


Who, indeed?
 
It's gone, it was entirely subverted by corporations, they turned their worst enemies into their greatest allies, stop and think how creepy that is that they have that level of power with brainwashing.

But it didn't even take that much hard work to do it, all they had to was slap a rainbow on their logo, Tweet #BlackLivesMatter and be sure to frame who is the bad guy ("you don't want to be like GAMERGATE/CHARLOTTESVILLE/CAPITAL RIOT now do you?") and suddenly you can't even imagine a world where leftists would riot in protest of something like the WTO anymore, it's funny how that works.

What is going on the 21st century is Marxism and Capitalism is combining together, as insane as that is, as contradictory as it sounds, it's literally what's happening.

And it's already happened in China, China is the blueprint for America and the rest of the world in the 21st century, where it's a socialist government but with tons of corporations and capitalism, but a cultural climate akin to Soviet Russia with how you can be punished for wrong think.

It's the worst of both worlds, think the mindless consumerism of Idiocracy but where you can get your face busted in for daring to criticize it, "there's that problematic talk again, bro"
 
Fully agree, I'm not touting being a luddite or anarcho primitivism or anything like that.

Diversification is great, I fully embrace that. I probably side more with the libertarians view on that one. I don't mind corporations, my preference is for ones that are more socially conscious, tied to local communities, and if possible maybe a bit more horizontal with decision making- especially on decisions affecting workers livelihoods. Syndicalism, in a way.

I think that we used to have more horizontal decision making in practice when we had more unions, not on everything, but the really important things- ie, if you wanted to make a decision to fire 20% of the workforce due to bad revenue, you'd first need to talk to the union to do that, in the past. I don't think unions are ever going to come back, and they also had their own problems, but I do think having corporations or organizations that are more horizontal on major things like that, and do have decent enough worker input entrenched somewhere for decisions directly affecting employment, should be more of a thing. Like the entire way amazon or uber are, how workers have basically no say in anything and don't even have rights as actual workers (theyre just temps) disturbs me.

Capitalism isn't inherently evil. People who work harder deserve a bigger piece of the pie.

By independent, I don't mean that you should be a jack of all trades, Im more for society continues on, people organize and return to a more civic and community organization orientation, and when it comes to taxes- I either think situations in small towns with more direct democracy are a lot better to ensure that taxes arent wasted, or within bigger cities, we really, really, really need to curb the power we give to the state. Where I currently live, a few years ago our local municipal government increased taxes and dolled out millions to build light rail that noone actually used, took several years to build, simply just replaced 2 bus routes, and also put our entire downtown/uptown out of business for years during construction.

And they were able to do this without a referendum, without a plebicite, and it was essentially just gambling.

I just don't inherently like or trust authority or centralization, its often times very unjustified and those who occupy the throne often create situations where were more worse off than we were before.

I'm not saying abolish the state in any immediate fashion. We may not be able to, ever- but I def want to lessen the power and reliance we have on the state, and move away from centralization, not towards. In places where people are more rural, where they are more self reliant, yeah- I def think you have a higher chance of being able to do that and to a greater degree
Don't worry. The state will abolish itself.
Over time the resources to sustain it will run out. We will go back to primitivism.

Eventually we will lose the ability to understand the concept of a state or property as well.

Why? The resources to sustain our current intelligence will dwindle and our intellect will reflect these new material conditions

We will return to banging rocks.
We will return to monkey eventually.

It will all work out in the end
 
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Sooner or later, "pedophilia" or "pedophile" will be replaced with something less "judging". Not understanding that long term effects are always going to be disastrous.
When this happens, and it will happen with the direction we are going in, I'm going to go live in a cabin in the middle of the woods. My daily outfit will consist of a grey hooded sweatshirt and sunglasses.
 
You know, I frequently see right-wingers being accused of being in a cult, but I think that’s backwards. Liberals are in a cult. They’ve turned finance and bureaucracy into religions with a priestly caste and inviolable places of worship. You can criticize phony elected officials and the fake political theater they put on all you want, but raise a word of protest against civil servants and oligarchs and shady government contractors and the NGOs they use to control and manipulate people, and whoops. Now you’re outside the Overton Window. Now you’re a crank. After all, what manner of awful misanthrope would lambaste philanthropists and learned men of character?

Its a cult and its byzantine in nature, I genuinely think politics today resembles the Byzantine chariot teams based political clubs more and more. Really our electoral system can be summed up as it being such a team sport that its more about the other side losing than it is about yours winning, aka Joe Biden.

Theres just so much virtue signaling and so many emotional responses that pillow the cult, on both sides but especially the left now, that you don't really get any meaningful discourse.

Ie: With BLM there probably were some legitimate issues we should have addressed with judicial reform. Something that should be pretty obvious is that our justice system doesn't function well with regards to public defenders. Public defenders are often the bottom of the barrel in terms of lawyers and can often be people who have nowhere else to go within their law career. Our system seems to have tons of people who relied on public defenders and who went to jail for crimes that people who could afford a better lawyer got off on. You have the money to afford a better lawyer? The chances that youll get a lesser sentence just increase by that much. At its core, it should be a class issue, an issue of wealth versus poverty- but no, we can never have that. Something that should be obvious that we need to reform.

What does BLM do? They declare the basic emotional response of "Da reeson why black people in jail is cause judges is racist, this white person got off on similar charges because racis, it has nothing ta do with them having a competent lawyer". This just gets further reinforced with cult like behavior, hugboxes, and an inability to take criticism. You try and say "hold up a moment, it has less to do with racism more to do with" and they just freak out over the wrong think. I don't think Ive seen anyone able to actually address any actual systemic issues in any concrete way because everything has to be about race. People are so caught up in race and using race to explain every systemic problem, that they are unable to actually get to the real root of anything and actually address it. Ive seen people say that black people need more leniency for crimes to address "systemic racism" and its mind blowingly infuriating.

Now you have actual politicians embracing this rhetoric, which because its cultlike theyre beyond the pale and if you question their logic youre decried a pariah. If I was more conspiratorial, Id say its a push by liberal politicians to distract people from addressing real issues within class, but I think theyre just grifters who see something they can successfully use, nothing more cynical than that. Really sucks, because a lot of the left wing is effectively very dead because of the racialist cult.
 
Its a cult and its byzantine in nature, I genuinely think politics today resembles the Byzantine chariot teams based political clubs more and more. Really our electoral system can be summed up as it being such a team sport that its more about the other side losing than it is about yours winning, aka Joe Biden.

Theres just so much virtue signaling and so many emotional responses that pillow the cult, on both sides but especially the left now, that you don't really get any meaningful discourse.

Ie: With BLM there probably were some legitimate issues we should have addressed with judicial reform. Something that should be pretty obvious is that our justice system doesn't function well with regards to public defenders. Public defenders are often the bottom of the barrel in terms of lawyers and can often be people who have nowhere else to go within their law career. Our system seems to have tons of people who relied on public defenders and who went to jail for crimes that people who could afford a better lawyer got off on. You have the money to afford a better lawyer? The chances that youll get a lesser sentence just increase by that much. At its core, it should be a class issue, an issue of wealth versus poverty- but no, we can never have that. Something that should be obvious that we need to reform.

What does BLM do? They declare the basic emotional response of "Da reeson why black people in jail is cause judges is racist, this white person got off on similar charges because racis, it has nothing ta do with them having a competent lawyer". This just gets further reinforced with cult like behavior, hugboxes, and an inability to take criticism. You try and say "hold up a moment, it has less to do with racism more to do with" and they just freak out over the wrong think. I don't think Ive seen anyone able to actually address any actual systemic issues in any concrete way because everything has to be about race. People are so caught up in race and using race to explain every systemic problem, that they are unable to actually get to the real root of anything and actually address it. Ive seen people say that black people need more leniency for crimes to address "systemic racism" and its mind blowingly infuriating.

Now you have actual politicians embracing this rhetoric, which because its cultlike theyre beyond the pale and if you question their logic youre decried a pariah. If I was more conspiratorial, Id say its a push by liberal politicians to distract people from addressing real issues within class, but I think theyre just grifters who see something they can successfully use, nothing more cynical than that. Really sucks, because a lot of the left wing is effectively very dead because of the racialist cult.
The thing about the racism argument is that it can be twisted and contorted to fit just about any scenario. For instance, in your example there about the difference between getting a public defender and hiring a competent lawyer, one might argue that the reason why black people can’t afford decent lawyers is because employers are racist and won’t hire them for high-paying jobs so they could have money to afford one. It’s a self-sealing argument.

Never mind that employers nowadays are obsessed with affirmative action, diversity training, and implicit bias bullshit. Never mind that everyone’s resumes are rejected and nobody can get a fucking job, regardless of the color of their skin. We are told over and over again that there’s nothing wrong with the economy, and that racism is the real problem.

It’s cynical, shortsighted, and divisive, and it does nothing but benefit the rich and the powerful and excuse their abuses towards all working-class people by framing it as a completely different issue.


We are living in an increasingly virtualized and automated society that is less and less reliant on our individual labor. If they raise the minimum wage, then McDonalds will be staffed by voice-activated ordering systems and automated burger conveyor belts.


This should be a good thing. I mean, we’ve saved labor and can redistribute that labor elsewhere, right? However, in practice, what we are seeing is the elimination of thousands and thousands of unskilled (and even some skilled) jobs, coupled with a rising population. Because of how capitalism works, you have to prove to others that you’re worthy of food, clothing, and shelter by standing in a cubicle and ritually moving your limbs. If someone doesn’t let you do that, you starve in the street. What gives?


Work is not intrinsically valuable. If you have a way to obtain the same wealth with less effort, then there’s no reason why people should have to slave away at unfulfilling, pointless tasks to enjoy the benefits of that technology. A lot of conservatives these days are stuck in that whole Mike Rowe work ethic thing and shun any talk of basic income as communism. They don’t understand that we‘ve created a society where you literally cannot be a Paul Bunyan type and raise a family on a menial laborer’s wage even if you voluntarily wanted to, as strange as that may sound.

Even welfare has its drawbacks. The wealthy want it because it’s a government subsidy. There is some truth in that one StoneToss comic. Why do you think a deep state lackey like Andrew Yang wants UBI so badly? Imagine you’re a billionaire, and the government comes up to you and says “We’re going to pay a portion of your workers’ wages using tax money so you don’t have to pay them so much”. You would be fucking delighted. Now, paying people a living wage is somebody else’s problem.

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What happened during the GameStop short squeeze debacle was fucking grotesque. A bunch of hedge fund managers whined about awful poors hating rich people. The White House put pressure on brokerages, and brokerages sold their customers’ stock without their permission. Imagine that. Imagine being a maid in a hotel, cleaning up after people’s one-night stands and their filth, and being paid $7 an hour for the privilege, and then, imagine being some fucking worthless fucking hedge fund manager cunt who contributes absolutely fucking nothing to society whatsoever, who profited to the tune of billions of dollars from short-selling failing businesses during a pandemic, and yet, the one single time you lose the game, you can get the fucking government to change the rules for you so you’re winning again. Imagine being so wealthy and powerful, you cannot fail no matter what you do. There will always be someone ready to stand you back up and fill your pockets with the money you lost.

That’s what real oppression looks like.
 
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