Does the actual "Left" even exist anymore? - Or, is it just edgy kids LARPing?

[Syntaxion]

This has been the case for a while.

I think it was Gramsci, who, many many years ago started pondering why Marxism failed to capture the hearts of people. He and his ilk came to the conclusion that it wasn't Marxism that was wrong, but the people. Their culture promoted the oppression that was seen throughout Europe. Thus, the solution wasn't to promote equality and Marxist ideals through economical changes - but through cultural changes. Hence you got identity politics (although in itself, identity politics is far older but it wasn't cememted as a belief system I think)

Either way, it was fairly unknown and for long, most leftists continued preaching economic change and equality. It kept brewing for a while though, feminism is centered on women, it's identity politics itself - and feminists and leftism tend to overlap.

Personally, I think this all started, or technically ended, with Occupy Wall-Street. People were pissed, and rigteously so, by the bank bailouts and everyone else getting fucked over. It was mostly economical, but according to anecdotes, it started to push for more identity politics, more women, more non-whites, less men, less whites, etc etc etc and over time, the movement collapsed unto itself and it was left a failure.

Consider it coincidence, consider it done on purpose by the FBI or whatever, but OWS made it obvious - actual leftist, anti-rich movements can be killed and neutered with identity politics.

And thus:

Spoiler: some info

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I just got blackpilled on a lot of things tbh, and am trying to be more whitepilled now.

Aye though, our economies are in shambles and neoliberalism has basically damned a lot of jobs and communities. Its part of why I did somewhat appreciate seeing Trump of all people add some tariffs, even though there wasn't much you could do to actually bring back jobs (foxconn, aka the Chinese suicide net company, coming to the US and hiring temp workers was not a long term solution for the midwest, as much as he'd like to parade it as such).

Either or, I lost faith in a lot of the lefts ability to think even remotely rationally with the BLM events this summer.

Remember when Rand Paul was trying to pass legislation to bar no knock raids, and people still screamed at him because they wanted him or what he was doing to be racist in some way? Utter lunacy.

 

[DeadFish]

I just got blackpilled on a lot of things tbh, and am trying to be more whitepilled now.

Aye though, our economies are in shambles and neoliberalism has basically damned a lot of jobs and communities. Its part of why I did somewhat appreciate seeing Trump of all people add some tariffs, even though there wasn't much you could do to actually bring back jobs (foxconn, aka the Chinese suicide net company, coming to the US and hiring temp workers was not a long term solution for the midwest, as much as he'd like to parade it as such).

Either or, I lost faith in a lot of the lefts ability to think even remotely rationally with the BLM events this summer.

Remember when Rand Paul was trying to pass legislation to bar no knock raids, and people still screamed at him because they wanted him or what he was doing to be racist in some way? Utter lunacy.

Ok so left right stuff seems be falling apart.

I had to make up my own idea.
Tell me if you like this or it's retarded.

The current issue with america is the left has been hi jacked by the very forces it was meant to counter. It's no longer about class but a tool of the rich to opress the working class under the guise of liberating them.

The american right is about libertarian values, conserving culture and free market capitalism. Due to technology, efforts of the left and capitalism those values have been destroyed.

So what there for someone concerned about class?

What about replacing the left right dictomany with a new one?

What about big versus small society?

The reasons I propose a change out of the left vs right dictomany with big versus small is:
The uniparty uses left vs right dictomany as a means to control. It a propaganda meme. Despite the shit show of recent election people will vote republican out of the illusion they have no choice. The thing is the plutocrats who hate the everyday american own both parties. It's like choosing between a wolf and a fox. The working class gets burned.

By switching out left right dictomany with big vs small you destroy one big of the unipartys means of controlling the masses.

The second reason for small vs big is due to practical reasons. It's far easier to create a 25 person group for a small business (or whatever reason it's formed) and live within a bigger society then it is to change a larger society. It's easier to take over a city block no one's cares about versus an entire city.

Draws less attention. A small group can work longer without being in the spot light. Why did o w s fail? Because the movement became well known. Once a movement is well known it gets hijacked by other factions, agents both government and private, gets shaped by a hostile media, attention seekers and other disruptive elements. So keeping a low profile helps. Staying small helps.

Flexibility. The goal of a big small dictomanist is change the world to be more fitting for small and more personal (this meaningful) societies. This allows for idealogical and orginazaintion flexibility. As long the found can gather up and lead a group of 150 people then it can be anything they want. A gay commune of 150 sharing the same house as room mates to reduce cost? Fine. It a small gun meet every week in the woods between five skin heads? That's fine. 10 people at Google decided to embezzle funds. Fine. As long the group is working towards changing the world where small societies thrive and large scale ones don't then it's good to go.

It fits the average normies mindset. Beckie at work might be clueless about what's going on in the senate. Yet she's a genius at office politics. She knows who fucking who. Whose getting a raise. Whose getting fired. People on average find the impersonal and large scale intimating and incomprehensible. Yet the same skills needed to be a d.c activist are the same skills they apply for everyday life. It's just they Excell on a smaller and more personal scale.

A small vs big dictomanist realizes the modern project for universalism has failed. We see this all the time in current politics. Right wing can't say why crime is so high among blacks but antifa can burn down black owned businesses.
Rules for thee not for me.

Why fight it?
Least with a small group the only people you have to care about is those in your group and treat outsiders as you please. This what the every day person wants. Everyone deep down inside want to be the pimp and make everyone else their bitch.

It's more sustainable for a small group to fund positive rights for themselves then it is for a large group.

Choosing leadership is easy. Either you have the chops to get 150 peeps to follow you or you don't.

Crime and punishment is easy. Someone making sexist remarks? Exile them. Got a thief? Force them to steal from outsiders for group benefit and not from group members. Leadership shitty? Walk away or strangle them in their sleep.


A small group can have socialist programs funded by leeching off the larger society.

So what do you think? I'm being a spergy dumbass or something worth considering?

 

[DiscoRodeo]

What about replacing the left right dictomany with a new one?

What about big versus small society?

I agree with the left vs right dichotomy being outdated on a lot of things and not even particularly descriptive. I try and avoid it, though if I am going into the four quadrants thing- I'd gravitate more towards a dichotomy of freedom versus authority being more important. People talk about left unity between anarchists and marxists, but I see libertarians as having a lot more in common with anarchists interests than I see the Marxists as having. Also, anarchists basically no longer exist in the left. "Anarchists" now are just people who fetishize the ideology, while wanting to shove their views down people's throats. Isn't the point of anarchism to let people choose themselves? I think thats a lot safer, considering I'm the first to admit that my views may not work for everyone and I may even be wrong on certain things. While I think I may be right on others- we're a lot safer when we have the options to choose instead of having things forced on us. Its why libertarians and a more freedom oriented axis better speaks to that, because the big problem I can see today is, yeah- there are class issues, but people wanting more authority and more centralizing in order to address these things are just setting themselves up for disaster, corruption, bureaucracy, or grifters.

Draws less attention. A small group can work longer without being in the spot light. Why did o w s fail? Because the movement became well known. Once a movement is well known it gets hijacked by other factions, agents both government and private, gets shaped by a hostile media, attention seekers and other disruptive elements. So keeping a low profile helps. Staying small helps.

Thats sort of why I try and stay out of mass movements and why I've grown to like the Christians and how they do help their community/have an appreciation for them now. I think ironically, they did a full 180 in the 2010s and their soup kitchens, drives for haiti or cancer, etc are really wholesome and I havn't really seen much virtue signaling there and it does help ensure that the people who are there volunteering, are doing it for more genuine reasons and not because its hip.

The funny thing about organizations like salvation army as well is, while the modern left likes to scream about discrimination and all that jazz, at the end of the day- Salvation army is actually out there helping homeless people and are pretty successful at it regardless of how much the left hates them. The left? You get some good volunteer initiatives in small groups sometimes, but as a whole their altruism only goes as far as what conveniences them, which is usually just buying fair trade coffee at best, and then trying to shame people on twitter.

I agree with you at the end of the day. Things should be on the down low and you do have a better chance of accomplishing something the more organized and consistent you are. Having a smaller group of people makes that a lot easier.

 

[Vulva Gape]

It actually does. If you're basing your view on the left on lolcows and degenerates, you'll fail to see that most people on the left just want social equality and a better social safety net. The average Democrat voter doesn't want to put your 5 year old kid on puberty blockers. The woketards can go to hell though.

 

[DeadFish]

I agree with the left vs right dichotomy being outdated on a lot of things and not even particularly descriptive. I try and avoid it, though if I am going into the four quadrants thing- I'd gravitate more towards a dichotomy of freedom versus authority being more important. People talk about left unity between anarchists and marxists, but I see libertarians as having a lot more in common with anarchists interests than I see the Marxists as having. Also, anarchists basically no longer exist in the left. "Anarchists" now are just people who fetishize the ideology, while wanting to shove their views down people's throats. Isn't the point of anarchism to let people choose themselves? I think thats a lot safer, considering I'm the first to admit that my views may not work for everyone and I may even be wrong on certain things. While I think I may be right on others- we're a lot safer when we have the options to choose instead of having things forced on us. Its why libertarians and a more freedom oriented axis better speaks to that, because the big problem I can see today is, yeah- there are class issues, but people wanting more authority and more centralizing in order to address these things are just setting themselves up for disaster, corruption, bureaucracy, or grifters.

Thats sort of why I try and stay out of mass movements and why I've grown to like the Christians and how they do help their community/have an appreciation for them now. I think ironically, they did a full 180 in the 2010s and their soup kitchens, drives for haiti or cancer, etc are really wholesome and I havn't really seen much virtue signaling there and it does help ensure that the people who are there volunteering, are doing it for more genuine reasons and not because its hip.

The funny thing about organizations like salvation army as well is, while the modern left likes to scream about discrimination and all that jazz, at the end of the day- Salvation army is actually out there helping homeless people and are pretty successful at it regardless of how much the left hates them. The left? You get some good volunteer initiatives in small groups sometimes, but as a whole their altruism only goes as far as what conveniences them, which is usually just buying fair trade coffee at best, and then trying to shame people on twitter.

I agree with you at the end of the day. Things should be on the down low and you do have a better chance of accomplishing something the more organized and consistent you are. Having a smaller group of people makes that a lot easier.

What I'm sayings replace current dichotomy with new one. I suggest big vs small. A green anarchist named le o pold wrote a book about it.

By constantly attacking big systems so small societies will be the only ones left might be the way to go and try


My sperging in previous post was an attempt to sell you on reasons why


150 seems be the scientific limit where a group can remain personal. Beyond that it gets abstract and systematic. Also exploitive and parasitical

 

[teriyakiburns]

The funny thing about organizations like salvation army as well is, while the modern left likes to scream about discrimination and all that jazz, at the end of the day- Salvation army is actually out there helping homeless people and are pretty successful at it regardless of how much the left hates them.

The antifa-aligned left spends a lot of time anguishing about how groups like the Salvation Army are out recruiting the vulnerable with their charity, showing a kind face and making convincing people that fascism is good with their kind acts (because they're obviously fascists, don't you know), but their response isn't to try and out-compete them with left-wing charity and social service. Nope. All they do is try and tear it all down. They don't want to help people, they just want to prove themselves righteous by destroying the works of their enemies.

I'm really not kidding. Any charity that isn't 100% in lockstep with their specific goals is literally evil in their eyes and has to be destroyed. If it means a few homless people starve, well that's just the price of revolution, comrade.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

It actually does. If you're basing your view on the left on lolcows and degenerates, you'll fail to see that most people on the left just want social equality and a better social safety net. The average Democrat voter doesn't want to put your 5 year old kid on puberty blockers. The woketards can go to hell though.

I'd like to believe that the average Democrat doesn't want to see a kid be groomed into believing that they're a D&D OC and drugged up their asscrack with high grade aphrodisiacs and hallucinogens.

 

[Vulva Gape]

You think the Demonrats are in bed with antifa and BLM and the troons but they really despise them. So no we aren't retarded, also the election wasn't stolen you qtards can seethe about it all you want.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

You think the Demonrats are in bed with antifa and BLM and the troons but they really despise them. So no we aren't retarded, also the election wasn't stolen you qtards can seethe about it all you want.

I... never brought up the elections or Q.

 

[Secret Asshole]

The 'left', just like the 'right' are conglomerates. Just like the right has Traditional Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Libertarians, Religious Right and Populists, the left has Progressives, Conservative Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Neo-Libs, Classist Liberals and populist.

I consider myself a left-wing populist. By what I mean by that, it is the government's function to serve the will of the people. I don't believe in any privilege except class privilege. I believe discrimination, racism, sexism and the like can be cured not through feel good legislation, but equal access to wealth. The police don't shoot down rich black men, do they? When we see those shootings, the news looks over one big point: It is always the poor who bear the brunt of police violence. Maybe there is still some discrimination left over, but I believe the equation is poverty. Its the same with white police shootings.

I believe the ultra-ultra wealthy are a criminal class who are determined to keep everyone down and their wealth needs to be reduced. Income inequality is the root of all evil, and debt is the boot they put around people's necks. 25% interest rates on credit cards, un-dischargable student loan debt at 9-10%, predatory lending practices, using the American people as their own personal bank when they fuck up. I believe, in all seriousness, that most should be executed or jailed. I believe in outlawing so-called 'vulture capatalists', those who prey on countries or businesses and use them as a function to line their own pockets, like Romney's Bain Capital. This faggot acts like a hero, but he's destroyed lives at the cost of the people. Again, criminal.

I don't believe in critical theory or progressivism, which pushes me out of the so-called left. I would not be considered a leftist by modern standards.

The current modern left is controlled by the DNC. The DNC is a neo-liberal organization that crushes strong left-wing populists and makes them weak. Their support of the so-called progressives is fake. It is a move to empower useful idiots and spoiled, retarded children as their personal army. Critical theory is used as an exclusionary method to root out any intelligence that would challenge domination of the status-quo. Most neo-liberals who control the DNC are from prominent political families or sucked the right cocks to come up in it (Kamilia Harris, who isn't even a real person. If the DNC could be a human, it would be Harris. She has no will of her own. That and she's a fucking prosecutor, the definition of human trash).

Critical theory, like Idpol, is meant to divide strong populists and strong candidates who aren't neo-liberal, out of the party. Neo-libs don't care its making people fucking retarded, its serving its purpose as recruitment and division. If you think the DNC actually gives a fuck about anti-fags and BLM....fucking lol. They're the idiots, instantly discarded once in power. And when questioned, the neo-libs smile and say "What are you going to do, vote for Trump?"

So the left, who holds the keys to power, are the neo-liberals. You can thank both Clintons for this. They purged and transformed the DNC into neo-liberal fucking hell, much like George W. Bush transformed the RNC into a neo-con fucking lemon party. Both should fucking burn in hell.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

also the election wasn't stolen you qtards can seethe about it all you want.

Seems pretty stolen, tbh. Not that it really matters. Its like Yarvin says, politics is like waterpolo. Theres a ref and if anything is caught above the surface, youre out- but under the water the ref cant see whats going on, so both sides have to cheat. Donald Trump just didn't play that part of the game that well.

You think the Demonrats are in bed with antifa and BLM and the troons but they really despise them

They're all the same liberal vein if you get to it. Most of BLM doesnt want anything outside of the liberal order, theyre just under the delusion that black people are being disproportionately targeted by the police among other things. Their end game seems to be "we want a society where black people can enjoy all the same liberal institutions white people can enjoy, institutions they totally do not have access to right now!" Some of them seem to think you need affirmative action to help with historic injustices and give black people a boost, but thats really the end game- a liberal society.

I do think dems are in bed with them because they can entertain their fantasies that cops are constantly murdering black people the same way Trump entertained Q's fantasies, and because their end game doesnt really challenge anything they actually care about. Its all about black celebrities being in more movies and higher admission rates in universities, and theyll give them that for w.e reason, regardless of the problems.

Im sure ivory tower liberals actually do probably see BLM for what they are and think theyre stupid, if you actually look into the stats theyre talking about- not only are they wrong, but amusingly so (ie, you have a greater chance of being killed by the cops in most places if youre white, almost as if cops are extra careful, more oft than not, not to be accussed of racism), but meh. They're pretty good tools to rile people up against the republicans, and thats the definition of being in bed with them.

 

[Vulva Gape]

They're pretty good tools to rile people up against the republicans, and thats the definition of being in bed with them.

You think Nancy Pelosi actually cares about George Floyd? It's all to hold power. The socialist fags are just to raise money and get them elected. So don't worry about Joe Biden going full commie because it never will happen.

That's why Trump's campaign was totally retarded and he deserved to lose, calling your opponent a socialist or a radical when he's the definition of a milquetoast liberal is willfully disingenuous.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

You think Nancy Pelosi actually cares about George Floyd? It's all to hold power.

Yes, thats what being in bed with them is. They may not like that theyre sleeping together, but they are- because sure, one side wants to use the other.

 

[DeadFish]

The 'left', just like the 'right' are conglomerates. Just like the right has Traditional Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Libertarians, Religious Right and Populists, the left has Progressives, Conservative Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Neo-Libs, Classist Liberals and populist.

I consider myself a left-wing populist. By what I mean by that, it is the government's function to serve the will of the people. I don't believe in any privilege except class privilege. I believe discrimination, racism, sexism and the like can be cured not through feel good legislation, but equal access to wealth. The police don't shoot down rich black men, do they? When we see those shootings, the news looks over one big point: It is always the poor who bear the brunt of police violence. Maybe there is still some discrimination left over, but I believe the equation is poverty. Its the same with white police shootings.

I believe the ultra-ultra wealthy are a criminal class who are determined to keep everyone down and their wealth needs to be reduced. Income inequality is the root of all evil, and debt is the boot they put around people's necks. 25% interest rates on credit cards, un-dischargable student loan debt at 9-10%, predatory lending practices, using the American people as their own personal bank when they fuck up. I believe, in all seriousness, that most should be executed or jailed. I believe in outlawing so-called 'vulture capatalists', those who prey on countries or businesses and use them as a function to line their own pockets, like Romney's Bain Capital. This faggot acts like a hero, but he's destroyed lives at the cost of the people. Again, criminal.

I don't believe in critical theory or progressivism, which pushes me out of the so-called left. I would not be considered a leftist by modern standards.

The current modern left is controlled by the DNC. The DNC is a neo-liberal organization that crushes strong left-wing populists and makes them weak. Their support of the so-called progressives is fake. It is a move to empower useful idiots and spoiled, retarded children as their personal army. Critical theory is used as an exclusionary method to root out any intelligence that would challenge domination of the status-quo. Most neo-liberals who control the DNC are from prominent political families or sucked the right cocks to come up in it (Kamilia Harris, who isn't even a real person. If the DNC could be a human, it would be Harris. She has no will of her own. That and she's a fucking prosecutor, the definition of human trash).

Critical theory, like Idpol, is meant to divide strong populists and strong candidates who aren't neo-liberal, out of the party. Neo-libs don't care its making people fucking retarded, its serving its purpose as recruitment and division. If you think the DNC actually gives a fuck about anti-fags and BLM....fucking lol. They're the idiots, instantly discarded once in power. And when questioned, the neo-libs smile and say "What are you going to do, vote for Trump?"

So the left, who holds the keys to power, are the neo-liberals. You can thank both Clintons for this. They purged and transformed the DNC into neo-liberal fucking hell, much like George W. Bush transformed the RNC into a neo-con fucking lemon party. Both should fucking burn in hell.

I agree. I think the solution is fragment society to the point large systems cease functioning and thus stripping the power from owners of such systems

 

[Trump's Chosen]

I really think a lot of the Woke Left's views and how they simp for the same corporations they claim to nominally oppose is because they're all still on some level rebelling against the old Religious Right of their childhoods, particularly its final form it took in the Bush years.

They still view the Right as theocrats, which are largely extinct outside of a few Boomer and early Gen X incumbents in the South and some of the edgelord "traditionalist" /pol/ fags like Nick Fuentes, The Distributist, Thomas777, Vox Day, and several forum members on here.

The thing is that the Yahwehists, as horrible as they may be, are largely defanged but the Woke Left is still acting as if they're still relevant, even if it's only on a subconscious level.

The traditionalists failed precisely because they did their damndest to conserve, but they sought to conserve all the wrong things and it ended up boomeranging on them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

If the Woke Left ever does experience a backlash, it'll be like that but on an even more intense scale.

I know a lot of edgy tradcel retards say "hurr durr, the pendulum doesn't exist hurr durr muh enlightened centrist strawman" but the pendulum effect is a thing in American culture and history and it's been there since the mid-19th Century at the earliest and definitely has been a thing since the 20th Century.

The Woke Left became more powerful than ever in 2020 solely due to the grace of the corporations that actually run this country. If the corporations no longer view the Woke Left as useful, they will throw them to the dirt just like they did to the fundies in the mid-2000's.

I don't know if the corporations will stop viewing the Woke Left as useful in our lifetimes, but the real issue is the corporations. BLM, Antifa, and the Woke Left as a whole are merely their unwitting attack dogs and shock troops.

Contrary to what the Woke Left and the traditionalists will tell you, America was never a Christian theocracy outside of colonial New England's Puritans or the de facto regional theocracy in Appalachia.

We're a nation founded as a social experiment by educated liberals and libertines.

Unfortunately, the corporations destroyed this country decades ago

The current "culture war" is all due to corporations exploiting two broken generations and trying to preserve the old "Left vs. Right" dynamic.

The kiwifarms website said you mentioned me but it's nowhere in your post. Are you hiding your power level?

 

[Drain Todger]

The 'left', just like the 'right' are conglomerates. Just like the right has Traditional Conservatives, Neo-Cons, Libertarians, Religious Right and Populists, the left has Progressives, Conservative Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Neo-Libs, Classist Liberals and populist.

I consider myself a left-wing populist. By what I mean by that, it is the government's function to serve the will of the people. I don't believe in any privilege except class privilege. I believe discrimination, racism, sexism and the like can be cured not through feel good legislation, but equal access to wealth. The police don't shoot down rich black men, do they? When we see those shootings, the news looks over one big point: It is always the poor who bear the brunt of police violence. Maybe there is still some discrimination left over, but I believe the equation is poverty. Its the same with white police shootings.

I believe the ultra-ultra wealthy are a criminal class who are determined to keep everyone down and their wealth needs to be reduced. Income inequality is the root of all evil, and debt is the boot they put around people's necks. 25% interest rates on credit cards, un-dischargable student loan debt at 9-10%, predatory lending practices, using the American people as their own personal bank when they fuck up. I believe, in all seriousness, that most should be executed or jailed. I believe in outlawing so-called 'vulture capatalists', those who prey on countries or businesses and use them as a function to line their own pockets, like Romney's Bain Capital. This faggot acts like a hero, but he's destroyed lives at the cost of the people. Again, criminal.

I don't believe in critical theory or progressivism, which pushes me out of the so-called left. I would not be considered a leftist by modern standards.

I had someone call me antisemitic once just because I used the term usury. Seriously.

How else do you describe the system of debts that we live under, if not a usurious system? Real industries have been hollowed out. Factory jobs have dried up, or been offshored. Steel mills have disappeared. Unless you want to become a unionized tradie and pocket a big salary as a welder, plumber, electrician, whatever, you either end up slaving away in some bullshit service industry job, or in a technical field that requires a degree. A degree that will put you very deep in debt.

The whims of an out-of-control financial system and its beneficiaries have taken over our country and taken over our lives. That’s not an exaggeration. That’s a fact. The FIRE industry doesn’t produce anything. The emperor has no clothes. We’re expected to pretend as if Wall Street is what makes America prosperous, as opposed to being economic parasites and looters who ruthlessly extract value from working people.

The current modern left is controlled by the DNC. The DNC is a neo-liberal organization that crushes strong left-wing populists and makes them weak. Their support of the so-called progressives is fake. It is a move to empower useful idiots and spoiled, retarded children as their personal army. Critical theory is used as an exclusionary method to root out any intelligence that would challenge domination of the status-quo. Most neo-liberals who control the DNC are from prominent political families or sucked the right cocks to come up in it (Kamilia Harris, who isn't even a real person. If the DNC could be a human, it would be Harris. She has no will of her own. That and she's a fucking prosecutor, the definition of human trash).

Critical theory, like Idpol, is meant to divide strong populists and strong candidates who aren't neo-liberal, out of the party. Neo-libs don't care its making people fucking retarded, its serving its purpose as recruitment and division. If you think the DNC actually gives a fuck about anti-fags and BLM....fucking lol. They're the idiots, instantly discarded once in power. And when questioned, the neo-libs smile and say "What are you going to do, vote for Trump?"

So the left, who holds the keys to power, are the neo-liberals. You can thank both Clintons for this. They purged and transformed the DNC into neo-liberal fucking hell, much like George W. Bush transformed the RNC into a neo-con fucking lemon party. Both should fucking burn in hell.

The third-way neoliberals are ivory-tower technocrats. They are friends to the financial and managerial classes and enemies of working-class people. They don’t think that working-class people deserve to know what it is that they do, because they think that it’s beyond our ken. Or, more to the point, they are afraid that we’d get justifiably angry if we knew.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/on-the-origins-of-the-professional-managerial-class-an-interview-with-barbara-ehrenreich

Literally all of the problems with the way society is run right now can be traced to the meddling of the Professional-Managerial Class. They are the enemies of both left-wing and right-wing populists, sneering down at us from their lofty perch as they rifle through their meaningless statistics. They love the left-right divide because it keeps a cohesive populist movement that reaches across party lines from forming. Both left-wing and right-wing working-class people have been fucked by the Professional-Managerial Class and the New Democrats who represent them in America. They’ve acted as Wall Street‘s shield, allowing financial looting to continue unabated and allowing our wages to stagnate.

I would love nothing more than to see Nazis and Commies set aside their differences and lay the smackdown on these people.

 

[Rungle]

The left degraded itself by being rabid virtue signallers.
Its the constant berating of people with: "If you don't agree with me, you are a bad person, and I will make sure everyone knows you are too"
The left cannot discuss problems anymore without calling you evil if you disagree.
Unlike the right, they cannot acknowledge every side has its bad eggs (Such as ANTIFA and BLM) and call you racist if you call people out on it.
I used to be a pretty lefty lad, but then Trump became president, and I saw everyone who was left-wing go ballistic, that's when the left left me.
It's okay to have opposing opinions, but please, do have something to back up those opinions when questioned about them instead of screaming how someone disagrees with you.

 

[Soulless4510]

Honestly, this country was gone a long time ago thanks to the great work of Edward Bernays and his use of psychological techniques in public relations

 

[potato fan]

In my youth years, like many people, I used to be a (milquetoast) leftist, but it was 90's kind of leftism- "no wars, healthcare, international help for impoverished third world, social safety net, progressive taxation, not judging people by their skin color or sexual orientation, workers rights, everyone deserves respect as a human bean, and a helping from society if one falls on hard times etc etc", basically your basic 90's european socialist democrat stuff.
Unfortunately leftism has changed and turned into some kind of political feverish nightmare fueled by increaseangly schizophrenic race and gender politics
half of those things I listed are now considered racist, fascist and/or homophobic- nowadays you MUST judge people by skin color, with whites being demonized at every opportunity, white males the most, helping blacks or poor countries is racist, but so is not helping them, we must considere every man accused of rape as guilty, but then leftist men of prominence get a pass and the accuser gets attacked instead, social services should be prioritized based on race not on need, wars are not mentioned if it's a Democrat us president starting it, social safety net is a forgotten thing, and replaced with demands for money for "marginalized" racial and sexual groups, because fuck poor straight white people amirite? and "tax the rich" demand has been put into a backburner, and became more of an empty slogan, a nostalgic throwback to old-school leftism. Same for fdemands for livable minimum wage, somehow the demands for tranny reading hour being obligatory in every school are more visible and amplified than demands to be paid enough to survive.

And I'd be ok if all that was happening in the US only, but the worst part is that, ironically, it's the US that nowadays sets the tone for worldwide leftist movements. So all that schizo shit somehow gets exported to all other countries. Activist media talk less about workers safety laws and more about the need to teach men to sit while peeing. Even crap that is very specific to US social and historical realities, and doesn't translate well to other places. Due to that fuckers Floyd death, there were protests "against police brutality towards blacks" in countries that doesn't have sizeable black population nor police brutality problems, attracting people in thousands. Meanwhile protests against real societal problems, like lawless evictions of poor people, or failing healthcare attract tens of activists at best.