Doing it Amish Style - They've been living without electricity and they're fine. How do they do it?

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Most of them end up coming back to the community which is a good sign it works.
Most of them go back to the community because they have no real education, the girls have no real skills and the boys have farmwork and maybe carpentry, and because they will literally lose everything and everyone they have ever known if they don't. Their families and church will completely cut them off. In fact most communities don't even do rumspringa. If they do do it, the kids are supposed to go play sports and shit, not actually live like an American teenager.
 
The Amish are one of the OG reactionaries. They saw the Industrial Revolution happening, didn’t like the effect on society and family values, and so they decided they weren’t having any of that and reworked their Protestant religion to shun technology (for the most part, anyway.)

Trouble with the Amish is that they can do their LARP only because they’re surrounded by non-LARP communities able to pick up the slack. That Amish butter isn’t worth much if you can’t find someone with a refrigerated truck to buy it and sell it in normal grocery stores. Ditto their furniture and quilts - handmade, yes, heirloom quality, yes, but it doesn’t work as a method of supporting oneself unless you’re selling outside the ghetto.
Amish tend to hold their restrictive beliefs on a very personal level. They do not see anything wrong with letting a non Amish drive you to the hospital or purchasing items prepared industrially.
They’re weird lil guys tho, real cute and American as a (Pennsylvania Dutch) apple pie.
 
The Amish are also cheap fucks who are more Jewish than the jewiest Jews about money. A few years back, the Amish caused a measles outbreak in my state because they were too cheap to vaccinate their kids and also kept sending missionaries to third-world shitholes where measles are still in circulation. It had nothing to do with rejection of vaccines as a sinful technology. They were perfectly willing to vaccinate their kids once the state stepped in to do it for free.

Their high birth rates are from lack of porn contraception.
FTFY.
 
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The education they get includes how to speak English since they only speak gutter German at home.
If you're English they hate you.
It's funny when you reply to what they say in basic, but serviceable German . Call me "English"? Ich bin kein Engländer.
Start actually talking to them in that same German, and you might as well start speaking Swahili to them. They're not capable of actually conversing in proper, modern German.
Trouble with the Amish is that they can do their LARP only because they’re surrounded by non-LARP communities able to pick up the slack.
And also because they're generally too far away from the usual criminal types to become victimized. Mind you, in a Shit Hits The Fan situation, the Amish will likely be one of the first groups to get a boot to their necks and practically enslaved for their skillset.
 
And also because they're generally too far away from the usual criminal types to become victimized. Mind you, in a Shit Hits The Fan situation, the Amish will likely be one of the first groups to get a boot to their necks and practically enslaved for their skillset.
Relying on a non-Amish, fully technologized police service (as well as fire, ambulance services) is one of the odd contradictions of the Amish. Most of them know a non-Amish neighbor who will let them use the phone to call for these things.
It's funny when you reply to what they say in basic, but serviceable German . Call me "English"? Ich bin kein Engländer.
Start actually talking to them in that same German, and you might as well start speaking Swahili to them. They're not capable of actually conversing in proper, modern German.
Funny enough you can get the same response from Yiddish-speaking Haredi Jews.
I suspect they may understand - both Yiddish and Pennsylvania Dutch are close enough to be mutually intelligible to Modern German - but they either don't know normal, modern German well enough to compose a reply, they're too insulted by your use of German to dignify you with a reply, or both. I believe both subcultures view Germany as an oppressor state they escaped from, despite using dialects of German to insulate their culture from the English-speaking homos around them.
 
Our Amish (I'm an Englishwoman driver) can have things like air purifiers, so long as they don't connect to the internet. I'm not going to tell you the group, obviously. I can only assume the ladies have plugs in their homes, because of this. And of course they have phones in the barn. It's impossible to do business without one. No cellular phones
 
Mass industrialized society is way worse than Amish society, even if you list out all their sins. The Amish don’t start world wars and plenty of people from mainline society abuse their spouses, pets, and kids.

But we can’t all be Amish because mass industrialized society is global and if we tried we would be conquered and just end up on a lower rung in a mass industrialized society. We are slaves to it. There is no escape. There is no freedom or individualism. We are cells in a larger body which we cannot exist outside of. THX-1138 and similar movies are our present and future.
 
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Nigger, the Amish are fucking rife with physical and sexual abuse of women and children. The abusers receive no punishments from the community, and the victims are forced to forgive them and act as if the 'sin' never occured. Fuck the Amish.

My grandfather owned a pretty substantial hay and horse farm when I was a little kid. We had a fairly decently sized Amish community in our county who would buy hay from him for their horses.

When they caught on my grandfather was starting to develop dementia, they swooped in one day when my mother wasn’t present to help him sell his hay, and they persuaded him to sign a contract handing over his entire barn of dried hay for free.

They’re terrible to their own people, to the English, and to their own animals. They’ll ride their buggies into WalMart and overload them on the hottest, muggiest day of the year without watering their horses. They’re neither self-sufficient nor good people.
 
Mass industrialized society is way worse than Amish society, even if you list out all their sins. The Amish don’t start world wars and plenty of people from mainline society abuse their spouses, pets, and kids.

But we can’t all be Amish because mass industrialized society is global and if we tried we would be conquered and just end up on a lower rung in a mass industrialized society. We are slaves to it. There is no escape. There is no freedom or individualism. We are cells in a larger body which we cannot exist outside of. THX-1138 and similar movies are our present and future.
Yes we are all cells in a larger body. But we made that body.
However the body is riddled with other cancerous cells creating ever more devastating tumors that are breaking it down.

The same way we made that body we can try to fix it or separate from it. Building upon what is and learning from what was left by those before us.
Build a family unit, care for it. Band with other family units and care for them as well. It might take a few generations, but every effort we make to fix the cancer or isolate ourselves from it is worthwhile. We're only doomed if we stop trying.

And we shouldn't all be like the Amish. We can be much better. And we can choose what we want to learn from them if anything.
 
Relying on a non-Amish, fully technologized police service (as well as fire, ambulance services) is one of the odd contradictions of the Amish. Most of them know a non-Amish neighbor who will let them use the phone to call for these things.
Hence why I say that they'd be enslaved in a SHTF situation. Shit, Amish teens would make perfect conscripts for any warlord group who needs obedient cannon fodder. Not to mention, their primitive living and ways of growing crops would serve as an ancillary source of food.
I suspect they may understand - both Yiddish and Pennsylvania Dutch are close enough to be mutually intelligible to Modern German - but they either don't know normal, modern German well enough to compose a reply, they're too insulted by your use of German to dignify you with a reply, or both.
Given the looks on their faces, I'd say it was probably the former. They looked shocked, and then confused. Like they couldn't parse what I was saying, not like I was pissing them off. I could be mistaken.
I believe both subcultures view Germany as an oppressor state they escaped from, despite using dialects of German to insulate their culture from the English-speaking homos around them.
It's funny in the case of the Amish because, as you yourself have stated, the Amish are basically permitted to exist as they are now. They're more-or-less larpers that have been allowed to isolate themselves and live in parallel, almost human zoo-style "communities" that the rest of us gawk at. I'd argue their lifestyle is as "natural" as the Habitats that animals in a zoo live in, and their "no modern tech" ideals aren't any better than what we have going on today in the rest of the world.
 
Hence why I say that they'd be enslaved in a SHTF situation. Shit, Amish teens would make perfect conscripts for any warlord group who needs obedient cannon fodder. Not to mention, their primitive living and ways of growing crops would serve as an ancillary source of food.
If you'd pardon a humble retard's dumb quesion: As a warlord, why would you resort to violence and possibly even bloodshed over something you could easily solve with trade?

In a post-collapse scenario, where the government isn't there to protect you anymore, people need each other more than ever. You'd want to maintain or establish as much order as reasonably possible. You could establish yourself as a violent sped and destroy what order and civilisation the Amish have going on and thus completely defeating your purpose, most likely making yourself more enemies than you need. You could conscript the Amish men into your army, which opens the question of who is going to do the farm work. Or you could trade with them. You give them what they need, they give you what you need and their community is left alone, aka the best of both worlds.

There is a reason why kings in post-Roman Europe had feudalism rather than wear hockey masks (unlike the Vikings and the nomadic Turks).
 
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I am going into this with no practical experience of the Amish as a group but I find them fascinating for a multitude of reasons as is there blend of some or non modern technology.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Larping like it's 1800 is only possible because America has the rest of the world by the balls due in no small part to technological advancements. How would the Amish deal with drone warfare? How would they deal with Chinese facial recognition optics? Would they be good statesmen to deal with the rest of the world? Somehow I doubt it. It's always seemed a bit churlish to reject the very things that allow you to continue to pretend like nothing has changed, since those things are the only reason why you're safe enough to do so in the first place.

Communities like the Amish exist outside of America they are just normally smaller or more spread out, America is weird because these groups exist and have existed for a long time in numbers but it's mostly because they keep to less populated areas and don't really give a toss about the world outside there direct area, it's just a more extreme version of the pre-smart phone era where most people watched / listened / read the news assessed it an said This impacts me or this doesnt impact me at all an fucked off to do something else - today we are bombarded with news that has no fucking effect on us so ever Tom, Dick an Harry has an opinion on the riots in East Bumfuckistan and a more motile population globally has meant that Police in London, Berlin, New York etc have to deal with the fallout of a decision or event made the other side of the globe there was always some of this like in 1939 some Polish lads kicked the shit out of some German lads (both born in England) when Germany invaded Poland an the Polish lads also did that to the Russians as well but this wasn't endless months of protests, years of yapping an meaningless displays it was a couple of dosen lads at most getting beer'd up a fighting each other.

The Amish just focus (an please correct me if I am wrong about this) tend to focus on more impactful events i.e. local, then regional then national, then international and unless something is going to directly impact them they value it as mostly meaningless an move on with there day rather than opening there Twatter / Facebook etc an talking out of their rectum for a cause they know nothing about.

I am a simple man. I hate the Amish for being Dutch.

*checks wikipedia*

Oh, Swiss? Well either way they don't make chocolate so why have them around?

So they get to be French and German at the same time? all the negatives and non of the benifits I guess.

Their whole "Year with the English" thing where they send their kids once they are close to being adults to spend a while with the non-Amish and see the other side is honestly genius. Instead of trying to fight human nature and control teenagers they give them a designated rebelion moment where they can just ignore most of the rules and try out different things while avoiding the clash between parents and tradition vs. children and change.

Most of them end up coming back to the community which is a good sign it works.

I don't know the inn's an outs of this but I find the concept really interesting, a short period of your life where you can go into the wider world and learn how the other side lives and short of a few serious moral or social (and secular) rules go as wild as you like and when you have it out of your system you can come back home no harm no foul and if you don't come back well sorry we lost you.

Lots of cultures had an have coming of age rituals where a young man would go off and either fight or work outside his community (Journeymen where the medieval an early industrial era version of this as where professional armies) you came home an did good? Brilliant, Left home moved away became a respected man in other places? Brilliant we love you an please come an visit, left home got pissed in a pub an got stabbed by prostitute? Yea you left home an that's all we know etc.

That Amish butter isn’t worth much if you can’t find someone with a refrigerated truck to buy it and sell it in normal grocery stores. Ditto their furniture and quilts - handmade, yes, heirloom quality, yes, but it doesn’t work as a method of supporting oneself unless you’re selling outside the ghetto.

Undoubtedly they are making hay while the sun shines from selling stuff far an wide, they are just doing it with more traditional skills, I can't talk for other trades but I can for my own as a smith, Historically say before the year 1000 you needed a population of about 300 before your community earned a resident Smith, and even then he wasn't a full time smith (however Farms, Smiths, Publicans an Prostitutes where the first static trades) smaller communities relied on journeymen or the local guy who wanted to be a smith but couldn't but's watched them work and talked to them in the Pub an has some tools an is willing to give it a go.

Now say your a young man out in the world having fun find a place you really like, maybe a woman you really like so you come back and find you do your best work here an you also charge less for it, it's so beneficial for you to settle down in the town hell some will even sponsor your masterwork to say "We have our own Master Smith"sounds all peachy for the smith doesnt it? Well not really, he had duitys the other way, you had to do so much free or cost work for the area, take on a local apprentice (you still had powers to dismiss them if needed but you had to have one or for so many years) locals took precedence over any other outside work and maybe some trades too get higher priority, etc but your limit of influence was roughly 5 - 15 miles generally once settled but your options and choices with less impact carry a range of 100 or so square miles and ever other Smith along the way has to make accommodations for you so life can be very cheap and you get less hastle than most if the local vagabonds require my fellow brother in arts services, but stabillity an endless hours carrying a heavy load isn't all that fun, etc.

They are essentially drop shipping for Etsy and Luddites, but there business an livelihoods are also not constrained by whimsy across the globe, they can scale back very quickly and grow or put that excess into non perishable stores, or refining what they have an not getting silly with the excess, so they have flexibility over a reliance on excess.

Dont get me wrong there is a vast oversimplification going on here but while the community has serious issues that need to be solved such as forced marriage, incest, domestic violence, etc while they themselves might have problems they have some admirable qualities too that I think we could and should learn from.
 
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The real problem with the Amish is that they're Protestants, all Protestants are pozzed af
 
They do fantastic jobs with agricultural work that's more of an art than a science and work hard. You just got to pick them up. They can exist pretty well in symbiosis with their surrounding community but the fact that they have positive birth rates while their surroundings do not means it can't last forever. The shit about rape and incest being rampant tends to be written with one handed so I doubt it's true.
 
If you want to live in whatever degree of technological ascetism you like then feel free to do so. There's no need nor benefit to drawing the line based on heretical religious teachings.
If the religious element is important to you then I encourage you to look at some of the more autonomous Monasteries and Abbeys that exist today.
 
Those kinds of threads, where people glorify some small tight knit community only to find it's completely corrupt, reminds me of a Sherlock Holmes story where he describes how you don't know what sick shit is kept under wraps in such places, while cities people are forced to see each other enough that the criminality is at least restricted to somewhat normal levels.

As for the Amish themselves, no fucking way they don't depend indirectly on modern technology, so they'll be just as fucked as everyone else, probably more since a good amount of people will try to leech of them in a crisis.
 
If anything shops that sell "amish stuff" is a good place to get homesteading and self-sufficiency supplies. The point for non-religious people into being off grid and self sufficient is more about being as independent and less controlled by relying on supply chains and such for survival than not. And also as a hobby. Lots of busy work to keep you mentally sound. Amish and Mennonites live with varying levels of off grid stuff so they're good to look to for that. Religious arguments are another thing entirely.

(A lot of amish get their horses from off the track standardbreds to use as buggy horses and for light farm work. They're notorious for being hard on them and the ones that are more humane tend to be less closed off and rely on a lot of business from outsiders. Lots of them will get their horses from auction, too, as opposed to breeding since you can pick up something for far cheaper than what it would cost to have a breeding program.)
 
Man fuck the Amish I go to the store and they're always there in packs buying shit like entire carts of peanut butter. They also genuinely hate you and will go out of there way to avoid "Englishmen."
I've heard this from multiple people, but I have never experienced it in any Amish community I've passed through. I'm pretty well traveled, and every Amish town I've passed through, store I've shopped in, and buggy in civilization I've encountered has always had incredibly friendly and helpful people. This isn't just in passing either. I usually make an effort to start a conversation or ask questions local places and events. I'm left with the impression that the people who get looked down on by the Amish get that treatment because the Amish are an exclusive community, and people who are near them but don't interact with them come off as sneering weirdo outsiders, even if you don't see anything wrong with not engaging with them.
 
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