Careercow Donald J Trump - 45th/47th President of the USA, convicted felon, Epstein bro, Putin simp, serial liar, sore loser, cheat and the Chris-Chan of Presidents. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL DEBATE THREAD.

I don’t understand the guy. I saw the ads running at the rnc calling the Russians “our enemies” and rolled my eyes, but then we have Vance who seems to oppose further funding of Ukraine. Mr President, stop being half a lolcow and just go full throttle. If you are the Putin simp people claim you are, why not drop all pretenses and go full Russkyi hard R? Why be a cocktease and slobber Israeli cock all day and only hint at giving us a sympathy handjob?
 
Also Prison Arc would never happen. Trump is too rich for that, and if he were in jail, he'd probably get a comfy prison since again he's rich and also President
He definitely won't considering the nonviolent nature of the crime and his age. They only keep the elderly in prison for really serious stuff because it's basically like a life sentence.
 
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He's retarded because it's unreasonable to expect a primary to happen in all of the states within 2 weeks or whenever the DNC is and the delegates are the ones who choose the candidate, anyway. There's nothing against a party choosing who they run since anyone can be on the ballot. The Libertarian or Green parties could make their candidate Chris Chan and there's nothing (legally) that would be able to stop them
 
He's retarded because it's unreasonable to expect a primary to happen in all of the states within 2 weeks or whenever the DNC is and the delegates are the ones who choose the candidate, anyway. There's nothing against a party choosing who they run since anyone can be on the ballot. The Libertarian or Green parties could make their candidate Chris Chan and there's nothing (legally) that would be able to stop them
And voters, would-be opponents, delegates, and donors approved of Harris almost unanimously. She was on the ticket to begin with, so she’s within her right to access the funds from Biden/Harris campaign.

With about 100 days left until the election there was no way that dems would put together a long drawn out process of choosing someone else.

The “concerned” people are supporting a guy who tried to stop the certification of the last election - because he lost.
 
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It may not be relevant to the argument they are making, but the fact they bring up the primaries reminds me of Trump somehow getting less votes in the 2024 primary compared to 2020

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Mind you, Trump was a guaranteed nomination in 2020 and it was during COVID, so him getting this amount of votes is actually very impressive for an incumbent president.

Yet in 2024, somehow despite having the large support he had in 2020 and there wasn't COVID, he garnered a million less votes than when he was running as an incumbent. On paper if you ignored everything else, you would at least expect this super popular president who got "wronged" out of a second term in 2020 to get at least more than what they had when running as an incumbent.
 
J.D. Vance isn’t doing well.

Don Jr. admitted on camera at the RNC convention that it was him who talked his father into picking Vance as his running mate - Trump had originally settled on the no-drama Doug Bergum. But CNN has reported that Vance’s approval rating amongst voters is the lowest of any VP candidate since polling about this subject has been performed, and responses to his campaign speech yesterday compared him to Jeb Bush and Ron DeSantis. In addition, there have been questions about his Appalachian credibility (including his apparent mispronunciation of “Appalachia”) and the fact that he spent most of his youth in a middle-class suburb of Ohio and only spent summers with his Meemaw growing up. Voters, in general, are also alarmed that a junior senator who has only served in the federal government for less than two years is second-in-line to the presidency from a 78-year-old man who was almost assassinated less than two weeks ago. His comment about “childless cat ladies” has alienated and angered suburban women in particular, a voter demographic that the cult the GOP has been bleeding since 2016 but especially after the overturning of Roe v. Wade.

As for me, I’m saddened and shocked he admitted to drinking Diet Mountain Dew. I mean, is that really the most masculine choice of soda? Real men demand full sugar and calories in their gamer fuel.
Yeah I heard when Vance was picked that it wasn't Trump's idea but his backers' and that Trump doesn't really like Vance all that much so it checks out that his son talked him into it. Also I've mentioned it before but Vance gives me major closet homo vibes.

Dunno much about Doug Burgum except that he apparently runs ND like a businessman and is more focused on the economical side of things so it makes sense why Trump would like the guy and prefer him as VP.
 
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He really needs a VP pick who is normal about women. Picking a young (by Washington standards) guy made sense when he thought he was going up against Biden. But right now, losing women voters seems like Trumps most likely path to defeat. I've seen liberals saying things like "I hope we're ready to elect a woman, but I think America is too misogynistic." But I actually think having a female candidate helps the Democrats because Republican men can't help but hide their misogyny when talking about Kamala. And that will drive away otherwise conservative women. I know he won against Hillary, but Mike Pence wasn't going around calling Hillary a cat lady so that might make a difference.

Anyway, the lesson here is that Trump should learn to do the opposite of whatever Don Jr says. As should we all.
 
I absolutely believe it. I remember shortly after his inauguration - one of his first actions in the whitehouse was to dispute his crowd size compared to Obama’s. I’d post the size difference image that’s been widely reported, but img upload seems broken on phone posting atm.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt up until then.

He really needs a VP pick who is normal about women. Picking a young (by Washington standards) guy made sense when he thought he was going up against Biden. But right now, losing women voters seems like Trumps most likely path to defeat. I've seen liberals saying things like "I hope we're ready to elect a woman, but I think America is too misogynistic." But I actually think having a female candidate helps the Democrats because Republican men can't help but hide their misogyny when talking about Kamala. And that will drive away otherwise conservative women. I know he won against Hillary, but Mike Pence wasn't going around calling Hillary a cat lady so that might make a difference.

Anyway, the lesson here is that Trump should learn to do the opposite of whatever Don Jr says. As should we all.
When you spend decades appealing to the more fringe elements of your voter base, some of them eventually run for office.

Here’s an historical example: Abortion was never an issue to evangelicals. Until the civil rights act was signed into law. Then it became a centerpoint because the civil rights fight was lost. Repubs of the time campaigned on limiting abortions at first, them outright bans to get the evangelical vote.

Total abortion ban was never meant to make it as far as overturning RvW. The GOP needed it to campaign on, now it’s causing them to lose elections.

Another example being Biden’s recent border control bill that Trump helped torpedo because it would have given him a political win.

The GOP whining about border security is noise like the culture war.
 
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I think you guys are underestimating the ability of conservative women to turn the other cheek to all the locker room talk and continue to vote for the people who have even a sliver of a chance of stopping "Clown World" and are more or less in-sync with them on other issues. I think people really are tired of troons and inflation and RvW doesn't hold a candle to either of those issues for them.

But I think you are also underestimating how much people still hate Trump so y'know. It goes both ways :)

Someday the 2016 primary is gonna end...
 
Here’s an historical example: Abortion was never an issue to evangelicals. Until the civil rights act was signed into law. Then it became a centerpoint because the civil rights fight was lost. Repubs of the time campaigned on limiting abortions at first, them outright bans to get the evangelical vote.
From what I understand, being anti-abortion used to be a Catholic thing and evangelicals only really picked up on it in the Reagan years. Back in the old days they would have thought it was a sign you are a heretic taking orders from the pope in Rome.
 
He's retarded because it's unreasonable to expect a primary to happen in all of the states within 2 weeks or whenever the DNC is and the delegates are the ones who choose the candidate, anyway. There's nothing against a party choosing who they run since anyone can be on the ballot. The Libertarian or Green parties could make their candidate Chris Chan and there's nothing (legally) that would be able to stop them
I've not heard people saying it was illegal. I have heard them say it's very anti-democratic. The only legal issues I've seen brought up are surrounding the transfer of Biden's campaign funds to Kamala, and the head of the FEC seems to agree.
 
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From what I understand, being anti-abortion used to be a Catholic thing and evangelicals only really picked up on it in the Reagan years. Back in the old days they would have thought it was a sign you are a heretic taking orders from the pope in Rome.
I think this has been thrown around on the Farms before but this post below (In the Tard Baby thread of all places) does a better job explaining that phenomenon.
I don't know of this was "the reason," but turning abortion into the moral cause for right-wing evangelical types made the Republican Party and the right wing in general more palatable for Catholics, who traditionally in America had been more working class and left leaning. Besides abortion, Catholic values are big on helping the poor, providing health care and education, etc.

Catholics are also supposed to be against the death penalty. A lot of early labour movements had many Catholics (and Jews.) Lots of 60s and 70s activist nuns were out there supporting Civil Rights, opposing war, opposing nuclear weapons, opposing the death penalty, advocating for social programs for the poor, etc. But they were also all ostensibly pro-life.

But things like poverty, war, and racism are complex and hard to grabble with. The death penalty is bad, but people don't generally have sympathy for the actual convicts on death row, so that's more of a philosophical issue for most people. But if you truly believe that abortion is actually murder, of the most undeserving and innocent victims imaginable, then you'll be easily exploited by people with the same agenda. You can put those other issues on the back burner because babies are being murdered!

Even though I honestly despise the church, I tend to find myself defending Catholics online a lot, especially when people lump them in with creationists. A monk taught me evolution. A Catholic priest theorized the Big Bang. The pope gave permission for people to skip mass during the pandemic, and my parents' bishop actually FORBADE people over 65 from attending mass until it is safe. The Vatican also posted a pretty thorough report on the stem cells used for the covid vaccine and why it's okay for Catholics to receive it. They're a pretty pro-science bunch, for a group of people who think one man has a magic phone to God.

Forgive the sperg. This is all to say that Catholics in America tended to be very solidly left-leaning, traditionally. Abortion was the issue that made a good chunk of them turn right. So again, I don't know if that's THE reason Evangelicals suddenly became interested in abortion, but I think it increased their power as a voting bloc, and somebody must have noticed. (Also, as a tool to fight feminism. They realized more young women would leave their congregations if they weren't anchored down by marriage and babies.)

Of course most average Joe Catholics are a bit more pragmatist than to only vote on abortion-- they'll weigh it with their other values, or recognize that things like education help reduce the abortion rate. But there is a rising trend of conservative Catholics (the ones who said Pope Francis should be careful about calling for more taxes for the rich) and Trad Caths. They have all the crazy fundie nonsense with the grandiosity of Catholicism. It's gross.
 
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