Don't be a dick when getting dick - Asking "are you clean?" is the ultimate ick.



Conversations about status and prevention methods are super important - but asking someone if they're "clean" to determine whether or not they're living with HIV is absolutely not the way and is frankly offensive and ignorant. ⁠

Why? ⁠

The first big issue is that it suggests that people living with HIV aren't "clean".​

This wording implies that they're somehow dirty. Not only is that offensive, but it’s also harmful and seriously stigmatising. People in our communities should know better than to do exactly what our queer forebears were fighting against. Stigma keeps people in the shadows and causes even more harm.
The key word in “people living with HIV” is people. They are human beings. Human beings that are affected by a virus which society has let carry far more stigma than almost any other modern health condition.

Framing the question in such a negative light can also discourage other people from getting tested, for fear of finding out that they’re not “clean” anymore - which just results in more and more people not knowing their status. This then leads to more HIV transmissions.

Secondly, it's not even a logical way to go about preventing HIV transmission.​


What does the answer to that question even tell you? If someone says, “Yup”, what does that even mean? That at their last HIV and STI test they tested negative, right?

So, the more important question would be: “Have you tested for HIV and STIs recently?”. That gives you way more to work with.

The next part of the flaw in this logic is - there’s no knowing that the person who says they’re “clean”, hasn’t contracted HIV or another STI since their last test, or tested too close to the window period to have a definitive result. Now, there’s nothing wrong with that - that’s the nature of staying on top of your sexual health: you can only test so often. But clearly asking if someone is “clean” does nothing to protect your own health, it only serves to make others feel awful.

Reminder: The person who is openly living with HIV and on treatment - who would fail your genius “Are you ‘clean’?” method - is not actually able to transmit HIV to you, so is a safer hookup than the person who says “Yup” and last tested over 6 months ago!

The reality is - HIV is most often transmitted by people who don’t know they're living with the virus​

It’s much more important to know your own status and take steps that protect your health than to rely on the words of a potential hookup on Grindr. That’s not to say they’re lying; that's just how testing and window periods work.
We’re not exaggerating when we say that testing is probably the most important thing you can do to protect your health and the health of people you have sex with. This is not just because it lets you know you haven’t contracted anything, but because if you do test positive for HIV or an STI, you can receive care and treatment ASAP and look after your health, while also stopping transmission.
HIV is much more dangerous when someone doesn’t know they've contracted it; not only are they likely to transmit it to others, but their own health will be compromised without treatment.

Condoms just don’t work for me - so that’s why I’ve been asking​


Sure. We know that condoms aren’t the solution for everyone. But there are definitely other options and, as explained earlier, asking if someone’s “clean” is not keeping you safe. So let’s replace it with something useful and not harmful.


If you find you get caught up in the moment a lot, we get it. They’re really hot and you're really horny. You’ve got a hungry hole and they can give you some release. Talking to a health-provider about getting on PrEP would be a great idea for you - then you know that you're protected, no matter how quickly things move.


If you have the time, having solid and non-stigmatising conversations about HIV and STI status is so important. There’s nothing wrong with letting people know when you last tested, and asking the same of others. But the other side of that coin is being comfortable with telling your partners if you test positive for any STI - and not making people feel bad if they do test positive or are living with HIV or any other long term STI like herpes or HPV.


If you are relying on testing as your only form of prevention, you need to be testing regularly, especially if you hook up with new or multiple partners. You also need to be ready to let people know as soon as possible if you test positive for anything (and ask others to do the same).


If you find out someone is living with HIV, have some empathy, but also have some understanding of U=U; people living with HIV who are on treatment and have an undetectable viral load don't pass on HIV sexually. They just don't. Even without condoms. While who you have sex with is your choice, it’s important to know this.

So, what can I say instead?​


Try these alternatives:
"When were you last tested?"
"Do you know your status?"

To sum up:​


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This website is cringe af, they also have message generator you can use to inform your partner that your front-hole tested positive for gonorrhea. No, seriously, they call it front-hole unironically.
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Okay then why would it help people who are already pozzed?

I genuinely know jack-shit about it other than commercials and in passing seeing people say that those already infected take it and it improves their longevity.

It doesnt . Prep stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis, its only for if you dont have HIV and it's just one pill of tenofovir + emtricitabine. If you're actually HIV positive, this isn't enough to help you . Your "cocktail" will usually be tenofovir + emtricitabine + one/two or more other medications. For example I often see the youtube add for Biktarvy, it's for poz people and it's one pill of bictegravir, emtricitabine & tenofovir. But sometimes its up to 4 or 5 medications. If youre poz and you stop taking medications the virus begins replicating again, eventually you'll get full blown aids and die.
 
It doesnt . Prep stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis, its only for if you dont have HIV and it's just one pill of tenofovir + emtricitabine. If you're actually HIV positive, this isn't enough to help you . Your "cocktail" will usually be tenofovir + emtricitabine + one/two or more other medications. For example I often see the youtube add for Biktarvy, it's for poz people and it's one pill of bictegravir, emtricitabine & tenofovir. But sometimes its up to 4 or 5 medications. If your poz and you stop taking medications the virus begins replicating again, eventually you'll get full blown aids and die.
So my original proposal applies to that, and for PreP I'd still ask what they plan on doing if there's a shortage.

I didn't realize but probably should've known that it's a whole fucking cocktail of drugs to keep the disease there's no cure for under wraps. It boggles my fucking mind that anybody could view that Rx list and think "hmm yeah no big deal if I catch that auto-immune STD".
 
>Taking the minimum precautions against a disease worse than cancer is abhorrent and homophobic
>It's not homophobic for the reasons you're thinking bigot
>Ronald Regan is responsible for AIDs for not putting us in quarantine camps
>Don't wear a rubber and stick your meat in everything

Also
>Covid/the flu is a horrible disease and we need to take every precaution we can against it
>You're a racist and conspiracy theorist for questioning where the disease came from or not saying it mostly affects PoC
>Anthony S. Fauci saved all of human civilization
>Wear a bio-hazard suit if you want to talk to someone irl.


It's amazing to me how people unironically think that modern western shartmarcracies are somehow not worse than 1984ish hell holes.
 
This website is cringe af, they also have message generator you can use to inform your partner that your front-hole tested positive for gonorrhea. No, seriously, they call it front-hole unironically.
Lol this is fucking amazing. I'm going to send terrible messages to everyone I know.
So my original proposal applies to that, and for PreP I'd still ask what they plan on doing if there's a shortage.
Sane people would stop banging strangers. But this is the gay community, so idk just die of aggravated AIDS, probably.
 
Lol this is fucking amazing. I'm going to send terrible messages to everyone I know.
Can you imagine unironically getting these messages from someone you just banged? Like it's bad enough that someone would need this in the first place, but I can't see anyone getting these and not getting pissed off. They sound so condescending and don't take it seriously. "Hey I just got an STD, hurry up and get tested so we can fuck again!" I feel like the only types of people that would read these messages and reply positively would be people that already have the STD themselves.
 
This is actually a growing problem in the gay community. I have a few gay friends and they said lots of gays, especially younger guys, think that all they need is PreP to be safe and that getting AIDs isn't even a big deal anymore since people are living to old age with it. A few months ago I saw some 18 year old gay kid trending because he was diagnosed with HIV and it was awful how the main stream media was gassing him up and really downplaying that this kid is stuck with a life long illness.

It's scary to see this push for downplaying STDs and worse that people are falling for it.
A lifelong illness that causes inflammation in the body.

So, you most likely won't be reaching old age. But at least you won't die of full blown AID's!
 
It boggles my fucking mind that anybody could view that Rx list and think "hmm yeah no big deal if I catch that auto-immune STD".
Reminds me of this clip. Kenboy, who died several years ago, said he wanted to have fun at his party and didn’t care what consequences there was from it. He just wanted to have fun and it was all that matters. This is the attitude that leads to no condoms and lots of disease:
 
I'm wondering about the type of person that would actually need this. Like how inept and socially stunted can you be to need this? I refuse to believe anyone is using it unironically
It's the most English thing I've ever seen. Yes, I know they're from New Zealand.
 
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Well here we are.. Only a few years ago they made passing on HIV intentionally perfectly legal and now social pressure as well? I can think of a whole group of people really deserving of getting HIV themselves.

A reminder that HIV drugs, like all such drugs, will become useless with enough use+spread. Why are we treating this effective treatment like a permanent cure?! This is so fucked up.. You want super drug resistant HIV, this is how you get super drug resistant HIV! Fucking morons! All so dirty diseased perverts aren't made to feel bad about their bad choices and lifestyle!
 
Well here we are.. Only a few years ago they made passing on HIV intentionally perfectly legal and now social pressure as well? I can think of a whole group of people really deserving of getting HIV themselves.

A reminder that HIV drugs, like all such drugs, will become useless with enough use+spread. Why are we treating this effective treatment like a permanent cure?! This is so fucked up.. You want super drug resistant HIV, this is how you get super drug resistant HIV! Fucking morons! All so dirty diseased perverts aren't made to feel bad about their bad choices and lifestyle!
I just want it to evolve into gigaaids and kill them less than 24 hours after getting it, due to how much of a bunch of degenerates they are there are good odds that nukes half the gay population then and there.
 
You take PreP to keep you from getting HIV. So if you stop taking it nothing happens except you're vulnerable again to being infected by a HIV positive person .
All PreP is doing is potentially creating a drug-resistant/immune strain of HIV. The chances of the virus getting past it are microscopic, but it only has to happen once.
So my original proposal applies to that, and for PreP I'd still ask what they plan on doing if there's a shortage.

I didn't realize but probably should've known that it's a whole fucking cocktail of drugs to keep the disease there's no cure for under wraps. It boggles my fucking mind that anybody could view that Rx list and think "hmm yeah no big deal if I catch that auto-immune STD".
It's an extremely delicate cocktail of drugs. The drugs themselves, plus constant tests, lab work, doctor visits, ect are ungodly expensive and pretty much none of these infected jackasses are actually paying for their treatment out of their own pockets.

That comes from either taxpayers (Medicare) or healthy insurance customers.

And like I said, it's delicate. If the virus changes or they don't take all of their drugs on the exact right schedule, they're probably fucked.
 
It doesnt . Prep stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis, its only for if you dont have HIV and it's just one pill of tenofovir + emtricitabine. If you're actually HIV positive, this isn't enough to help you . Your "cocktail" will usually be tenofovir + emtricitabine + one/two or more other medications. For example I often see the youtube add for Biktarvy, it's for poz people and it's one pill of bictegravir, emtricitabine & tenofovir. But sometimes its up to 4 or 5 medications. If youre poz and you stop taking medications the virus begins replicating again, eventually you'll get full blown aids and die.
man, sounds like getting your butt pumped full of AIDS is a bad idea
 
Can't wait for the headlines next time there is a shortage or some sort of supply line interruption.
"President sends troops to end dock workers strike. Union members ordered back to work at gunpoint. Strike interrupted supply of life saving AIDS and Gender medications."
 
Whatever happened to the concept of “informed consent”? Or does consent just get thrown out the middle the moment that fags and trannies are brought into the equation?

Shits why you stay monogamous and don’t participate in hook up culture, period. Gay or straight. Even if HIV is “treatable”, it can still ruin your fucking life in several insidious ways; especially once your body becomes immune to the prescription drugs.

No sane person with their head screwed on correctly is going to want to settle down with someone who has HIV, because they don’t want to become dependent on drugs for the rest of their lives. It sucks, but with big pharma’s drug pricing, that’s the type of treatment only rich people can afford.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that all of this push to normalize HIV came from Big Pharma wanting yet another group of permanent customers; just like with HRT being pushed as a holy grail to deal with body perception issues.
 
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