Don’t Celebrate When People You Disagree With Get Murdered

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Early Monday morning, 32-year-old Ryan Carson was stabbed to death at a bus stop in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn. He and his girlfriend were on their way home from a wedding. She was forced to helplessly watch as a deeply disturbed stranger repeatedly plunged a knife into her partner’s chest.

You might think that the only possible response to this event would be some mix of sorrow and anger on behalf of Carson and his loved ones.

But you would be wrong. In view of many extremely online, spiritually unwell conservatives, Carson’s brutal death was a form of karmic justice. You see, the young man had advocated for safe injection sites after losing friends to opioid overdoses. And he dedicated his adult life to working on various left-wing causes, above all the promotion of recycling and environmentally friendly approaches to dealing with solid waste. And his girlfriend had advocated for police abolition. Therefore, Carson had reaped what he’d sowed. The far-right provocateur Mike Cernovich disseminated a surveillance video of Carson’s death, beneath the caption, “Hey bro just like chill out bro I’m on your side bro go attack the magats bro bro bro noooooo.” Other conservatives turned photos of Carson’s dead body into memes about the perils of wokeness.

Days earlier, the nihilist right greeted the murder of progressive Philadelphia journalist Josh Kruger with the same grotesque glee. Kruger overcame homelessness and drug addiction to become an employee of the city government, and then an activist and reporter. Kruger had argued that the prevalence of homicide in Philadelphia was dictated more by national trends than the conduct of local police. To some right-wing fanatics, voicing that opinion rendered Kruger worthy of death.

The moral obscenity and intellectual bankruptcy of this perspective may be too obvious to warrant elaboration. But on the off chance that there is someone out there who both (1) believes that Carson and Kruger died as a result of bad policies that they had imposed on their respective cities and, therefore, were responsible for their own deaths, and (2) is nevertheless amenable to reason, I’ll briefly explain why this point of view is sick and dumb.

For one thing, no set of criminal-justice policies could fully eliminate the existence of random homicides. So long as we live in a free society in which people are allowed to own sharp objects, stabbings will occur. Therefore, no individual homicide can prove anything in particular about what criminal-justice policy should be like. And even if this weren’t the case, as of this writing, there is no actual link between any progressive public policy and the killings of either Carson or Kruger.

In recent years, progressives in New York City successfully reduced the use of cash bail, an institution that effectively enables the wealthy to avoid imprisonment before trial while condemning the poor to incarceration before they’ve been found guilty of any crime. Many conservatives therefore suggested that Carson’s death was a result of cash-bail reform. But this claim has no factual basis. There is no public evidence that Carson’s killer would have been in jail but for the liberalization of New York’s cash-bail laws, which were partially reversed earlier this year.

Again, even if there were a demonstrable link between cash-bail reform and Carson’s death, this would not tell us whether ending cash bail is a worthwhile policy. Confiscating all privately owned assault weapons in the United States would reduce the lethality of some mass shootings. In the context of gun policy, however, conservatives insist that personal liberty must take precedence over the minimization of crime. If we must accept some tragic deaths to preserve the right to own an AR-15, then it doesn’t seem crazy to believe that we must do the same to preserve the right of the poor not to be imprisoned before being found guilty of a crime.

Some conservatives contend that anyone who endorses police abolition deserves no protection against violent crime, since such radicals wish to deny the broader population such protections. This is dubious moral reasoning. But it is also a misunderstanding of (what most activists mean by) police abolition. Almost no one endorses the elimination of all police tomorrow. Rather, police abolitionists typically subscribe to a utopian vision in which the necessity of policing is drastically reduced through egalitarian economic reforms, likely over a period of generations, while all remaining crime is handled by institutions of law enforcement so radically different from contemporary policing as to warrant another name.

Personally, I think we are always going to need state law-enforcement institutions that resemble contemporary police (though I think those institutions can and should be run in a far more equitable, nonviolent, and effective manner). And I also think that there’s significant empirical evidence to suggest that drastically reducing police head counts would lead to more violent crime.

Regardless, though, it simply is not the case that New York City or Philadelphia have implemented police abolitionists’ desired policies. Indeed, NYC has the most police officers per capita of any city in the United States. It also invests far less into public health insurance, jobs programs, education, child care, and other social services than police abolitionists recommend. Carson was not killed in a city that had embraced the radical left’s vision for criminal justice, but, rather, one that had thoroughly rejected it.

Given these realities, if you responded to Carson’s death by gloating on social media about how progressives were finally paying a price for their policies, then you were not speaking rude truths but, rather, repugnant bullshit. In most cases, conservatives were using their supposed concern for victims of violent crime as a rationalization for sadistically mocking a victim of violent crime whose politics they did not like. This behavior is not politically incorrect. It’s morally grotesque.

Faced with such criticisms, conservatives tend to invoke instances in which people on the left mocked the deaths of right-wingers. And it is true that many liberals celebrated the killing of January 6 rioter Ashli Babbit. Babbit’s case isn’t exactly analogous to Carson’s, as she was killed while trying to break into a legislature in a bid to block the peaceful transfer of power, while Carson was simply trying to get home. Nevertheless, it was morally wrong for liberals to make fun of a woman who’d been killed as a result of her indoctrination into a political cult while her loved ones were still in mourning. And I said so at the time.

There are a million ways to criticize political ideas and movements that you do not like. Gloating over the violent deaths of people you disagree with is among the most vile and ineffective ways of doing so. You will not persuade anyone that your side has moral authority on questions of crime by publicly mocking a murder victim.
 
I didn't read one word of condemnation of the semi-evolved simians doing the actual, y'know, murdering. From the tone of the article you'd think the two of them had died in a hurricane or from cancer. (Which in a spiritual sense, they well may have, but that's a thought for a different time.)

Some conservatives contend that anyone who endorses police abolition deserves no protection against violent crime, since such radicals wish to deny the broader population such protections. This is dubious moral reasoning.
No, its not. Especially since we just spent the past two years listening to shrieking harpies telling us that people who refused the jab had no right be treated for broken legs or cancer, since they might infect half the Western Hemisphere.
 
I've watched the left celebrate everything from people dying, murder, cities burn down, and a whole host of other shit, just because the victim was of the opposite political spectrum. Not to mention all the people (a number of them being Hollywood celebrities, you know, the people who claim to be the moral guidance of the country) say how they want to rape, molest, and murder the previous President's youngest child. As much as I try not to, I will dance on every one of you mother-fucker's graves before pissing on it; I didn't make this decision, until I saw how it was a positive for one side, don't blame me, blame yourself.
the people who dehumanize you and see you as an enemy cry as you dehumanize them and see them as an enemy
 
Well, let's see what Mr. Carson had to say about gravedancing atop the fresh corpses of your political enemies before they're even buried...

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Lmao hell yeah, indeed! Fuck him, I'm glad he died while his girlfriend just looked on uncaring and all his '''''friends''''' can't even wait for his body to cool to start grifting off of his name. Frankly the only unfortunate thing about his demise is that the nigger who got him, got him good. Didn't look like he suffered for an agonizingly long time after that stab from the video footage, when he should have died screaming like so many victims of the policies he & his ilk push for have, and as all wokesheviks deserve.
 
Again, even if there were a demonstrable link between cash-bail reform and Carson’s death, this would not tell us whether ending cash bail is a worthwhile policy. Confiscating all privately owned assault weapons in the United States would reduce the lethality of some mass shootings.
Or, mass killers would resort to bombings or arsons instead.

I'm still waiting for someone to actually explain the political alchemical formula by which the lead of disarming peaceful, law-abiding citizens is transmuted into the gold of "0 gun violence."

There are a million ways to criticize political ideas and movements that you do not like. Gloating over the violent deaths of people you disagree with is among the most vile and ineffective ways of doing so. You will not persuade anyone that your side has moral authority on questions of crime by publicly mocking a murder victim.
Isn't that precious? A proggie pretending that his side hasn't utterly eviscerated whatever political decorum existed in America for the last 50 years.
 
I didn't read one word of condemnation of the semi-evolved simians doing the actual, y'know, murdering. From the tone of the article you'd think the two of them had died in a hurricane or from cancer. (Which in a spiritual sense, they well may have, but that's a thought for a different time.)


No, its not. Especially since we just spent the past two years listening to shrieking harpies telling us that people who refused the jab had no right be treated for broken legs or cancer, since they might infect half the Western Hemisphere.
"OMG why won't you inject the corporate snake oil? Don't you care about the billionaires!?"

"Waaah, people with serious medical conditions are delaying my sex change operations! If I don't get boob implants and my genitals removed I'll have no choice but to kill myself!"

Also, in all seriousness, wokeshit is a death cult for rich white people who would have become members of their local communist party a generation or two ago. And somehow much worse. At least college Marxists grew out of that bullshit most of the time.
 
On the same level as "If you kill him, you are just like him."
The reality is things are more than just a disagreement on political issues at this point. Leftists are supporting policies that are legitimate detriments to everyone and getting personally offended when someone tries to undo them. This entire article is a massive cope about the retards wanting no police and lighter punishments for niggers getting exactly that. You don't burn the goddamn house down and get surprised when everyone looks at you as if you're a danger. When you start trying to burn others, they have every right to protect themselves. No one has a right to pity or respect. Calling for it but not acknowledging that the people you associate with do the exact same thing is asinine.
 
Watching wealthy assholes who are finally suffering the consequences of their beliefs is a great thing. For once it's not the poor and the down trodden who are having to suffer for these assholes policies but the very people who endorsed them.

Don't come crying to me because I think it's funny that the bed you've made for yourself is filled with thorns and finally you're the ones getting pricked.
 
Faced with such criticisms, conservatives tend to invoke instances in which people on the left mocked the deaths of right-wingers. And it is true that many liberals celebrated the killing of January 6 rioter Ashli Babbit. Babbit’s case isn’t exactly analogous to Carson’s, as she was killed while trying to break into a legislature in a bid to block the peaceful transfer of power, while Carson was simply trying to get home. Nevertheless, it was morally wrong for liberals to make fun of a woman who'd been killed as a result of her indoctrination into a political cult while her loved ones were still in mourning. And I said so at the time.
No, she was shot by a chickenshit cop you fucking nigger.

This shit is why people celebrate the deaths of people like you.
There are a million ways to criticize political ideas and movements that you do not like. Gloating over the violent deaths of people you disagree with is among the most vile and ineffective ways of doing so. You will not persuade anyone that your side has moral authority on questions of crime by publicly mocking a murder victim.
Nobody gloating about it was trying to persuade anyone, dipshit. We're well past the point of persuasion.

Including persuading people that making fun of these dumbasses getting iced is somehow morally wrong when iirc both had social media posts doing the exact same shit about right-wingers who got injured/killed.
 
Nobody gloating about it was trying to persuade anyone, dipshit. We're well past the point of persuasion.
That's the thing personally, about the time they started to use social media to destroy people they disagreed with I stopped caring about persuasion. These people don't need to be talked to, or persuaded, they need to be destroyed as an example to future generations about why talking is better than force. In this case it just happened to be one of their own pets who destroyed them.
 
Nah, fuck you. I'm going to enjoy the schadenfreude of these two chuckle-fucks getting what they fucking deserve. I guarantee you they'd happily tap dance on the graves of Conservatives who had died. They wouldn't be wagging their fingers and saying "For shame!" at any Leftards celebrating the deaths of a couple of Right-wing people.

Edit: Also, can you really make the claim that someone has "overcome addiction" when their drug of choice was found in close proximity to their corpse in their own house?
 
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