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Robot Revolution was a bit undercooked and the "Planet of the Incels" line was groanworthy, but otherwise yeah I am enjoying it so far.
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He really is like a dollar general version looking at the two side by side. No ass tumor though..
The episode itself seems intended to be more silly in conceptualization to begin with, there's literally a meta joke segment where they end up in the "real world" for a bit before getting sent back. I'm just confused as to why the fuck they set it in the 50s if they're gonna be referencing 70s hanna barbera animation and 30s-40s cartoons. They talk about scooby doo earlier in the episode and then later get trapped inside whats blatantly meant to be scooby doo era hanna barbera
shoehorning "white peopole bad/racist/sexist" moments into every single fucking episode to the point it kinda detracts quality away from the final product is another oddity but that's already been covered to death.
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This is what I don't quite understand their logic.
So apparently we need to "blackwash" and "fix" history, so when we go back in time, every city looks like downtown LA just with different costuming.
But then as you point out, any time we go just a few decades back, then we've got to go constantly shoehorn in "white folks were racist towards others" in every free minute.
Does nobody else see it? There's like this implication that somewhere in the centuries between Victorian England and post-WW2 something happened to just magically turn all white people racist. If it's ok to do an idealized past, why not an idealized post-WW2 world? Why can't 50s America be like downtown LA just like Victorian England?
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Just watched the most recent episode, surprised at how captivated I was by it.
I do think it's both good, and bad, that they kept the Midnight entity's appearance and nature a mystery. Especially considering the ending. I'm curious as to if the entity will appear again in this season, or perhaps for any potential future incarnation of the Doctor, if the show survives. It was very cool for them to revisit an enemy from the 10th Doctor, and it didn't feel shoehorned in or out of place. I wonder if perhaps we'll see another enemy from 10's run? Also, the end sets up Flood again, interesting.
Edit: well, for the most part its appearance was kept hidden, there's some glimpses and enough of it's face visible. Also, it's extremely interesting that it knew the Doctor's name
Edit: well, for the most part its appearance was kept hidden, there's some glimpses and enough of it's face visible. Also, it's extremely interesting that it knew the Doctor's name
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I used to genuinely love Doctor Who before it got full-on woke. I had a Doctor Who t-shirt and a keychain. I had started the classic series but gave up because of the lost episodes. I sometimes think about it. Why did those episodes got lost?
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the film reels were burned, extremely infamous trivia. There are some that managed to come back a little due to the audio or earlier takes surviving, but there's a fuckload of 60s pop culture shit that's just lost forever thanks to that BBC film reel burning incident.
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Some were also put on tapes that were later overwritten because nobody ever thought people would care about the show.
Ironically a lot of lost episodes were found thanks to British colonialism and discovering copies hidden in random African tv stations.
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Unfortunately a lot of the Second Doctor's series are missing cause the tapes got erased which is probably why Second isn't well known in the modern Who fandom today?
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Yes but we did get lucky with some of his lost stuff being found, like the complete run of "Enemy of the World."
SFDebris had a great video essay on the whole thing (it was old enough there was like a massive update of some dozen or so episodes located in the years since he released it) but it all currently lost to the Interwebs.
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Dr Who final episode(s) in UK cinemas.
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I think the issue is more that it's totally pandering to real world audiences because that kind of old timey style is chic, the Cuphead example comes up a lot and I think I've seen some examples of creepypasta analog horror utilizing that style was well. It's a very Earthian story, it doesn't feel like the story is playing out the way it would in a real Doctor Who story like the audience is being invited to another world or a fantastical concept, it's just kind of shamelessly trying to play into audience expectations for maximum potential viewership.
Like in a real Doctor Who story, you'd have the same concept but it's like an advanced computer generated/hologram/liquid metal sci-fi cartoon thing run amok. Plus this whole thing with making every story a fantasy story and trying to turn the show into Buffy is just wrong.
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this is a great point, i think that's the issue: this kind of stuff being taken as a given like it's a kitchen sink. some shows need to have an excuse as to why theyre doing a genre episode or weird creature
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It's just more proof that the live-action/animation hybrid gimmick has for decades after "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" been almost exclusively executed by people who think animation is a novelty, not a respectable medium. You saw some of this with the hue and cry over "Coyote Vs. Acme", like how in news articles it was referred to a lot as "John Cena's Coyote Vs. Acme".
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As a bit of a left turn; am I the only one who thinks that, regardless of what's happened to the show in recent years, Nu Who has been overrated for much longer? Sure the first series with Eccleston was great but Eccleston usually makes anything he's in better and has since Shallow Grave. By half way though series three (Tennent's second) I was no longer watching as broadcast and it had become just another show that might be worth my time. This was not because it had "gone woke" or any variation on that but simply because it had become one of those shows that thinks it's so terribly clever but isn't half as clever as it thinks it is. It was smug. I can't point to specific examples and I would not deny there have been some good stories but it was just the overall tenor I was getting from the show. For context I'm one of those sad old twats who reveres Classic Who and regards Twitch (of all platforms) streaming all that was available a couple of times (sans Daleks curtesy of the Nation estate) and then doing the same for all the Dalek episodes as one of the best things that happened with Who for many years.
I still watch from time to time and follow the increasingly tragic events of the show which at least provides some comedy value.
PS For the Alan Cumming fan ( @The Decimator ), if you have not already seen it try to track down "The High Life", a pre Hollywood Cumming comedy that's been long forgotten but is a diamond of a single six episode series.
I still watch from time to time and follow the increasingly tragic events of the show which at least provides some comedy value.
PS For the Alan Cumming fan ( @The Decimator ), if you have not already seen it try to track down "The High Life", a pre Hollywood Cumming comedy that's been long forgotten but is a diamond of a single six episode series.
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Looking back, the old serials were cheesy in presentation and had their fair quantity of absurdities, but there was also so much thought put into some of them.
What recent nuWho episode could you do that for? It's gotten so whimsical, and even the superficially "Sci-Fi" episodes are so full of the absurd as to essentially be magic. The dalek in "Dalek" ought to have been an outlier, dammit, a relic of a war were the cosmos was bent over a barrel! Having occult supertech ("We can't just have Cybermen be clunky post-apocalypse surgery junkies, we have to give them indestructible plating, nanomachines and superspeed!") become the norm has deflated the significance of everything with sci-fi trappings, and now to get their kicks the hack writers have gone on to produce pure fantasy.
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Oy mate, wouldn't it be funny if the Doctor and his companion stumble upon a space ship crewed entirely with babies, and the bad guy is called "the boogey man" and he's literally a man made of boogies?
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I think Tennant's last 2 seasons and the middle/tail end of Smith's stuff was pretty overrated but Capaldi's era has some of the best episodes of the show period. No one ever shuts up about how great Heaven Sent is but it's just quality television even if it weren't part of Doctor Who's legacy.
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I mean they kind of "explained" it as him being a light based life form or whatever, but their explanation as to why he was was just "well see he's a god/harbinger for
EDIT: Also remembered dr. who's done light based aliens several times before, just not the exact same thing as this one mechanically.
Partly why sutekh's return and retconing into giant cgi dog monster thing that looks nothing like the og dog headed alien guy who wore a helmet most of his time on screen bugged me. On top of like all the other shit with his thing suddenly being death sand and not the stuff he already had going on I already covered.
His OG appearance as well as a lot of other mythological or fantasy-ish characters throughout both classic and new who were the standard scifi explanation of "well see these are aliens that either helped people build society and just ont he surface look like myth thing and follow the rules of that thing but the truth is a bit more complicated" As I already said before the og sutekh defeat is them literally trapping him inside his sarcophagus time machine by fucking with it's settings so it takes him more time to get to the destination than his lifespan would allow which is a thematic tie in to his egypt connection and how mummification is meant to preserve a moment of death for as long as possible. His return just treats him as a normal scary big evil god dog thing that was thrown into the time vortex and stuck onto the tardis for the last several decades to plot a revenge plan, before getting thrown intot he time vortex again and it killing him this time despite them acting like the first time made him stronger because something something death god.
EDIT TO AVOID DOUBLE POST : In terms of the light god guy episode the big positive I think is they're clearly attempting to have some form of fun concept instead of just badly masking "white man bad and racist" shit but still had to tack on that message shit. I think there's also something to be said about how everyone talking about the episode online just calls the character "mr. ring a ding" and not his real name of "lux imperator".
I've seen a few comments talking about shit refer to him as lux but very rarely if ever does the full name get dropped. One of the big (understandable) complaints/questions I've seen is like "how did he even like came into existence if he's supposedly a god of light but also a cartoon man that needs light to survive." With some people's explanation being like "oh well see he was just possessing the cartoon character" but then that doesn't make sense because he acts like a newly awakened being that only came to be self aware after his cartoon he's from got exposed to light long enough. The clear intent is like a story about a little cartoon bug man that gains more power over his own reality from being hit with light or energy sources and eventually gets exactly what he wants and fades into nothing because he IS light on top of needing light.
The obvious probable cop-out explanation for why he exists is "well he's a harbinger so
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As others have already said, I wonder why they set Lux in the 1950s? The most dramatically impactful time period for a story about a monster made of light would be the early days of cinema / late 19th century, I thought.
Also, dare I say they're doing the woke better than before: there were brief mentions of segregation, and whoever Rock Hudson was, but they didn't overwhelm the actual plot or dialogue. Seems like a better compromise between the diehard SJW types and people who just want to enjoy an adventure story.
Just like Aliss from The Well wondering why a nurse doesn't know sign language, but not giving her a hard time about it. (Though you'd think by then they'd have cures for deafness, but no, 21st century earth values must prevail throughout time and space.)
Also, dare I say they're doing the woke better than before: there were brief mentions of segregation, and whoever Rock Hudson was, but they didn't overwhelm the actual plot or dialogue. Seems like a better compromise between the diehard SJW types and people who just want to enjoy an adventure story.
Just like Aliss from The Well wondering why a nurse doesn't know sign language, but not giving her a hard time about it. (Though you'd think by then they'd have cures for deafness, but no, 21st century earth values must prevail throughout time and space.)
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Glad this topic got bumped, I kinda wanna vent.
I've recently been rewatching the Tenant era but hit a roadblock...
So, am I the only person on Earth who absolutely hates the "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood" two-parter?
Apparently these episodes won an award and I can't credit why (though I have guesses). The premise is absolutely retarded, the most addle-brained fanfic-tier garbage: the Doctor decides to hide from aliens by wiping his own memory and living as a human, and for some reason takes Martha (who is black) with him... to 1913.
The whole idea just feels like the most retarded fuck thing. Like oh, best way to deal with evil alien assassins is to render yourself defenseless, plus subject your friend to horrible treatment!
Of course, not only is this fanfic-tier garbage, it's literally adapted from a fanfic.
I think I may just skip these two episodes entirely rather than subject myself to them again.
I've recently been rewatching the Tenant era but hit a roadblock...
So, am I the only person on Earth who absolutely hates the "Human Nature"/"Family of Blood" two-parter?
Apparently these episodes won an award and I can't credit why (though I have guesses). The premise is absolutely retarded, the most addle-brained fanfic-tier garbage: the Doctor decides to hide from aliens by wiping his own memory and living as a human, and for some reason takes Martha (who is black) with him... to 1913.
The whole idea just feels like the most retarded fuck thing. Like oh, best way to deal with evil alien assassins is to render yourself defenseless, plus subject your friend to horrible treatment!
Of course, not only is this fanfic-tier garbage, it's literally adapted from a fanfic.
I think I may just skip these two episodes entirely rather than subject myself to them again.