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But Instead of pretending a human couldn't possibly date the Doctor ( a time lord is not even the weirdest thing a human has dated in fiction) or that he's too ancient and galaxy-brained to understand romance, I find it more honest to say: "I don't want romance in my British sci-fi show. Let's keep the focus on adventures."
I have a narrower position: "I prefer adventure and do not want romance between the Doctor and the Companion since the Companion's role since the very beginning has been to provide the Doctor's moral compass, and its hard to keep the necessary distance (and convince the audience that you're doing it) with someone you have that kind of relationship with." Adventures are, or should be, the core of the show and they often present moral quandaries where its necessary for the small, limited, human Companion to puncture the Doctor's know-it-all/holier-than-thou exterior. Adelaide, Donna, and Harriet Jones (who did nothing wrong) are remembered fondly for a reason.
 
There's a bunch of first principle arguments people give against the Doctor having romantic entanglements, but I think it's fair to say views are also influenced by just how terrible RTD and Moffat's attempts to do so have been. First Rose who it's really hard to see what the appeal would be. She's not intellectually on his level, she isn't especially interesting and looks, well, I'll leave them as a debatable. She's also honestly not that nice a person. The reason for Rose being RTD's romantic self-insert is both because she's probably a gay man's idea of attractive woman and more definitely a BBC elite's idea of a working class girl. They love to play up her council estate background, that she's a shopgirl, her mum's crassness. You can practically hear the writers slapping themselves on the back on appealing to "the working class".

Then there's River Song who I don't know about the rest of you but I find her distinctly unappealing. There's a very natural reaction when you see a friend date someone you don't like, and I think a lot of people felt that with River Song. Especially given she's bigged up as not some fling but his actual wife. I don't find her very physically appealing - she's quite old, she's not imo pretty of the face and I mostly dislike her style which is a kind of faux-glamour that makes her look fake. But then you come to her personality and wow - what a turn-off. Smug, entitled, condescending, presuming and - of particular relevance to pairing with the Doctor - psychopathic who multiple times is shown enjoying shooting people. This is a guy who is nearly Batman on his "no guns" philosophy. She's just terrible.

So I get all the stated reasons people don't want romantic entanglements for the Doctor, but the real nail in the coffin that makes people recoil in such numbers from the idea is that when they've done it in NuWho it's just so bad.

Further illustration: Romana I and Four had good chemistry and so long as largely kept as sub-text and off-screen, I imagine many would be reasonably okay with that. There's also the Time Lord aspect. More controversially here I imagine, Clara Oswald. Not the character she ended up as by the end of Twelve, but as she started off in Asylum of the Daleks and in The Snowmen. She was sparky, smart, fun and had phenomenal chemistry with Smith. She also wasn't some perfect person like they tried to make out Rose was. She was prickly, had a need to dominate and you could see despite her brains and looks, a whole string of disastrous relationships, probably. The whole arc with that guy she was supposed to date was incredibly forced. Part of what made it work with the Doctor was that he was one of those guys who could deal with her compulsive picking at things. She's the sort of girl who will keep introducing tension and arguments and snark and he's the guy who can laugh and out-snark and out-argue her. Which is exactly what that sort of self-destructive girl needs. In any case, I don't expect to convince many here, but she was one of the rare cases where I was okay with some sexual tension between the Doctor and a companion. The other being Romana I. I've seen Classic and NuWho (up until end of Twelve - I stopped watching then). And there are companions I've found very agreeable myself - Perri, Liz Shaw, Martha Jones, Victoria being the highlights in terms of attractiveness - but Romana I and Clara are the only two that I feel I'd have actually enjoyed seeing the relationship become explicit.

(Urgh - when I say explicit I mean as in written clearly as romantic as opposed to implied, not... I'm not asking for explicit Doctor Who footage).

Aragorn is a Numenor. They live over 200 years (he dies at 210) and he was raised by Elves since he was 2 years old. He's such a bad example of immortal-mortal romance stories because he's a super natural creature himself. He's a super human and his people were Tolkien's version of Atlantis. And the Elven woman he took for a bride gave up her Elven immortality to become mortal with him. He was as close to an equal as she could get other than another elf and she sacrificed immortality to be his bride.
No, the real big issue with Arwen and Aragorn is that Eowyn is right there! Aragorn, my dude, what are you thinking?
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Are those real and confirmed? I like them aesthetically. Though I hope they're not too small. One of the things I liked about the New Paradigm daleks was how imposing they were.

That said, the Supreme Dalek is supposed to be white. Isn't that traditional? Though I think we've had a red one a couple of times.

The only Dr Who property I even remember that actually attempted to use the NPD designs as the new design was the Dr Who point and click telltale-esque adventure game.
Yeah - you actually had whole swarming ranks of the red drone ones which worked really well, I thought. I agree with your points about them - I think the BBC should have stuck it out instead of doing what they usually do and changing direction the moment there's a hint of negative response. Well, on anything other than they're ideological agenda which they double down on the moment someone questions it.
 
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Just bring back David Tennant for his eighth cameo bro, surely it'll save the show this time.
Surely they have a "national duty" to not make it be shit then....
Then there's River Song who I don't know about the rest of you but I find her distinctly unappealing. There's a very natural reaction when you see a friend date someone you don't like, and I think a lot of people felt that with River Song. Especially given she's bigged up as not some fling but his actual wife. I don't find her very physically appealing - she's quite old, she's not imo pretty of the face and I mostly dislike her style which is a kind of faux-glamour that makes her look fake. But then you come to her personality and wow - what a turn-off. Smug, entitled, condescending, presuming and - of particular relevance to pairing with the Doctor - psychopathic who multiple times is shown enjoying shooting people. This is a guy who is nearly Batman on his "no guns" philosophy. She's just terrible.
I agree with most of what you said here. River on screen never worked for me, but Big Finish did a lot to clean her up.. I still never bought her as "The Doctor's Wife", but after listening to her first several BF box sets (I haven't been able to justify giving Doctor Who or BF any more of my money since both got so shit, so IDK if this has changed in newer releases.) I can at least understand why The Doctor might be attracted to her, even if I personally am not. (I don't think that he'd particularly care that she's old and not conventionally physically attractive, and the whole being ok with her killing people thing could be seen as character development if if weren't for the hypocritical doctors *cough* Jodie *cough* who came after.)

More controversially here I imagine, Clara Oswald. Not the character she ended up as by the end of Twelve, but as she started off in Asylum of the Daleks and in The Snowmen. She was sparky, smart, fun and had phenomenal chemistry with Smith.
I don't think it's as controversial as you think to say that Clara had a lot of potential that she never lived up to. If Moff absolutely *had* to kill off the first few versions of Clara we saw (not a bad idea in itself.) he should have at least made the one that ended up sticking something more interesting than "attractive contemporary twenty-something female" that every other companion than Donna was before her had been. But yeah the fake Claras were superior to what real Clara ended up being.
 
Clara Oswald. Not the character she ended up as by the end of Twelve, but as she started off in Asylum of the Daleks and in The Snowmen.
Why they threw out the genuinely interesting versions of her just to settle on [generic middle-class Brit girl from current year] is completely beyond me. When was the last time we had a genuinely out-of-time person as the main companion?


Also this may seem like a kinda random thing but why does basically every companion in nu-who almost exclusively date black guys?

The only ones I can recall not dipping into chocolate was Amy and Bill, and Amy cucked her husband constantly and Bill was gay. Wtf is up with that?
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So it seems like in New who your only options as a companion are;
A) Spineless white soyboy who gets pushed around and probably dies
B) Woman who wants to fuck the Doctor
C) Mudshark
D) Gay
 
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This is a guy who is nearly Batman on his "no guns" philosophy. She's just terrible.
I hate this idea that the Doctor has a no guns philosophy. It's nu who slop to make it more kid friendly.

The Doctor kills people. He genocides entire races and he's not above pulling a gun and shooting someone if that's his only option. He drops nukes on entire civilizations multiple times each series and doesn't give a fuck. Even natural entities behaving as they do often end up killed when they meet him.

No guns was the 10th doctor being whiny after the time war and Tennant's crusty smegma ruins everything it touches with Dr who.
Which is exactly what that sort of self-destructive girl needs.
They need a bullet in the head, A man shouldn't deal with a woman who cannot help but pick at him and everything else constantly.
No, the real big issue with Arwen and Aragorn is that Eowyn is right there! Aragorn, my dude, what are you thinking?
Fuck off with your movie bullshit. Eowyn is a child compared to Aragorn and she can't even cook. What man wants a woman who can't even make soup?
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Woman detected. She's ugly. Call her ugly. She was cast to be old and beat up. She's the SUV driving soccer mum type of character.
 
The Doctor kills people. He genocides entire races and he's not above pulling a gun and shooting someone if that's his only option.
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The only one I could excuse becoming more pacifist-y was 9, and that was because (prior to the retarded War Doctor retcon) he had just fought in a massive trans-dimensional war that saw both his people and the Daleks wiped out.

It was still fresh to him and was specific to 9.

Keeping it throughout the rest of the doctors after him just makes the doctor turn into Picard where he's shitting on how Le Primitive humans are, while also being a giant fucking hypocrite.
 
It was still fresh to him and was specific to 9.
9 would be willing to pull the trigger. He often loses his cool and shouts at people so he has anger problems. Which was expected from the Time war stuff. 10 being more of a wet blanket makes sense if you consider regeneration might be impacted by previous actions. If you just went through the worst war in history and regenerate soon after your mind is still full of recent trauma and guilt. Not knowing who you are (pun intended) and having that on your shoulders would cause for strange personality traits.

Has any one tried the BF series about the doctor becoming evil after he wins the Time war and the other doctors having to reign him in? I think it's 10 that goes evil.
 
Also this may seem like a kinda random thing but why does basically every companion in nu-who almost exclusively date black guys?
You know perfectly well why. It's so the BBC writers can slap themselves on the back about being so Progressive and helping "fight racism." (Never mind that constant forced agenda pushing increases it).

Also, this week on "Progressives are the real racists," forcing Martha Jones, an educated and emotionally very mature person last seen engaged to a handsome doctor, to end up with fucking Mickey of all people in a jammed on wrap-up scene because they're both Black (certainly can't see anything else they have in common), is just cruel. I'll demur on Donna's fiancé because he was actually evil and looks wise, she was dating above herself (by general standards). I can't recognise who the fourth in your gallery is so maybe someone post Twelve. The last is that ridiculous pairing they forced on Clara to try and some dramatic arc for her. Didn't work at all. Most of these pairings are so forced. Even Amy and Rory don't really seem like a natural couple to me.

Most natural couple in Who are Jaimie and Victoria. Very unfair they never ended up together.

Just discovered Blake's Seven and it's way better than Doctor Who.
Oh boy - this'll be fun. Kerr Avon delivers some of the most cutting and leisurely insults in Sci-Fi history. My favourite of them all has to be: "This is Callie. I'll introduce you properly when she comes round. This is Vila. I should really introduce you now, he's at his best when he's unconscious."

He's a little like Twelve but more borderline on the ethics. Will be interested to hear back on how you find it.

No actually, traditionally the Dalek Supreme has been black (or gold if the standard daleks are black).

Red and White are more new.
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Argh, you're right. I really only had the previous New Paradigm one in mind. I feel like of them all I probably like the pure black one best but it's a bit dull and I also like black being used for the general role, as per the "Second Empire" webcomic. The colour scheme on the red and gold one I like but not so much the neck brace thing. Did he stop his saucer too quickly?

The black and gold ones both are nice, but should have the stature of the New Paradigm one and not convinced by those purple ears on one of them. I think the New Paradign supreme is the best overall combination but I would incorporate bits here and there of all of them.

I hate this idea that the Doctor has a no guns philosophy. It's nu who slop to make it more kid friendly.
Well that's as maybe but he's never been a lover of brute violence and seeing River Song take such joy in shooting things is still a weird match and forcing Eleven to say he finds it a "bit sexy" is weird and awkward in a schoolboy way and doesn't work.

I hate this idea that the Doctor has a no guns philosophy. It's nu who slop to make it more kid friendly.

The Doctor kills people.
You're overselling it. He's portrayed even in the classic era as being very against killing with the famous "do I have the right" speech and others. And when he has been more okay with it, it's generally been derided as out of character - such as Six bumping someone into an acid bath and making a quip about it.

He has, however, been an admirer of violence in butlers.

Fuck off with your movie bullshit. Eowyn is a child compared to Aragorn and she can't even cook. What man wants a woman who can't even make soup?
The gap between the 87 year old Aragorn and the thirty-something Eowyn is a Hell of a lot smaller than that between him and the 2,000+ year old Arwen. But fine, if no man wants Eowyn, I guess I'll have to pity date her.

They need a bullet in the head, A man shouldn't deal with a woman who cannot help but pick at him and everything else constantly.
*sigh* I guess I'll be pity dating Clara too, then. Such is life.
 
You're overselling it. He's portrayed even in the classic era as being very against killing with the famous "do I have the right" speech and others. And when he has been more okay with it, it's generally been derided as out of character - such as Six bumping someone into an acid bath and making a quip about it.

Well that's as maybe but he's never been a lover of brute violence
He's also traveled with soldiers and women hitting things with bats. He has wiped out Daleks and Cybermen without remorse countless times. He is very violent when you look at his history. Most encounters end with him or someone supported by him killing the monster.

The Doctor in my eyes has a very clear line on violence. You don't start the fight but you finish it. If someone attacks you then you should do whatever is needed to survive and protect innocents.
 
not convinced by those purple ears on one of them
Oh that's the Junk Supreme from the third doctors run lmao.

The prop was already old and was basically falling apart, so to "spruce it up" they threw a bunch of 1970s quality scraps onto it and it really shows. They straight up used a regular-ass flashlight for it's eyestalk, cardboard for it's neck slots, and jam jars for it's ears. It looked like garbage.
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iirc the body was actually a reused dalek from the 1960s Peter Cushing Dr Who movies, which kills me inside because I loved those designs. Can't really see it here but it had the huge round buffer on the bottom, unique to the 60s daleks, which made it noticeably taller that the other daleks in the 70s episodes.
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Oh that's the Junk Supreme from the third doctors run lmao.

The prop was already old and was basically falling apart, so to "spruce it up" they threw a bunch of 1970s quality scraps onto it and it really shows. They straight up used a regular-ass flashlight for it's eyestalk, cardboard for it's neck slots, and jam jars for it's ears. It looked like garbage.
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I think this was a dalek prop from the peter cushing doctor who films (which was then owned by its creator terry nation) but your right on that, its like if this dalek was made for mst3k, during its ktma early years before it got picked up by the comedy channel (now comedy central)
 
Funny thing I found out, the bbc not only has classic doctor who episodes missing from the archive, but also top gear, not the 2002 reboot, the vintage top gear from 1977-2001. About 41 or 46 episode of vintage top gear are considered lost. Authough you could say most of the show is considered lost as other than the first episode being aired on bbc 2 a couple years ago. The vintage era hasn't been properly shown on TV at all.
 
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I think the saddest part about the Paradigm guys is that the BBC actually did redesign them eventually, but then they only used the significantly better versions in Asylum of the Daleks for two shots as background characters, then threw them out for good and never brought them back.

I swear this company hates money.
 
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I think the saddest part about the Paradigm guys is that the BBC actually did redesign them eventually, but then they only used the significantly better versions in Asylum of the Daleks for two shots as background characters, then threw them out for good and never brought them back.
Have you seen the video of someone who owns one of the paradigm dalek props. I believe its the redesigned candy apple dark red one.
 
I hate this idea that the Doctor has a no guns philosophy. It's nu who slop to make it more kid friendly.
He's about as serious about his no guns philosophy as Batman is, though, which is about as serious as James T. Kirk was about the Prime Directive.

Both of them far prefer not using them, with the Doctor getting through many story arcs without killing anyone, while Batman is willing to get ultraviolent. Both of them have killed people with guns though. The original Doctor shot somone. The next two did too. The Fourth Doctor of Tom Baker, IMO the definitive Doctor of all time, REPEATEDLY shot people.

Even the beloved nuwho Doctor of David Tennant shot someone with a straight up handgun.

Despite that, the Doctor has at times expressed distaste for guns. But like Batman, he has an even greater distaste for evil.
 
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