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That Chris Guy said:
I suppose it depends on what kind of campiness you enjoy, but it's that kind of thing which means I hold more respect for shows like Stargate, which involved virtually no go-back-to-the-real-human-era stories, than I do for Doctor Who. The Daleks and the Cybermen were remarkably good innovations to come out of the show, and those were the parts I most enjoyed in my limited view of the classic show.

I understand it was basically British proto-Star Trek where they go to all sorts of crazy locations and do things beyond your wildest dreams (and whatever fit into the leftover props they had for the week), but Star Trek matured and created scenarios in their own universe with few exceptions. Doctor Who just continued to fuck with human history and say, "oh, this was an alien all along!" Back in the classic era it made sense - gotta save money somehow. Nowadays with a bigger budget and better technology available it comes across as being stingy.

But I digress: having your favourite series fall into the clutches of the PC crowd is shitty no matter who is exposed to it. I just consider myself lucky on this one.
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Oh... you didn't hear about what they did to the first doctor?


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By the time Clara rolled around, I was sick of Moffat building his season-long arcs around how special and amazing the Companion supposedly was. Moffat just couldn't be satisfied with a Companion being like, "well, it was fun, but I got a life to get back to. Cya around."
 
One of my main problems with the current series is that for every moment or scene or character or piece of dialogue that is actually done well, there are more and more, witch each season, that are just really strained and overdone and trying to appeal to the sort of people who think using phrases like "timey-wimey" constantly in real life is hilarious and never becomes tiresome. As for recent companions and others the spotlight tends to be shone brightly and for too long on the most obnoxious characters. From what I've seen, the comparisons between the 13th (or whichever) Doctor and her series and a children's show like The Magic School Bus are appropriate.

Even the over the top but sub-par, far too precious camp of previous New Who is "something" compared to how dry and bland this current version is. It's just a TV drama with some science fiction elements added in.
 
I actually did like Clara, but I have to agree that Moffat had a very annoying habit of glorifying her which is only matched by Rose Tyler's shilling.

Case in point, Heaven Sent was an amazing episode, I dare to say it's one of the very best of Doctor Who, but it's follow up was ruined by Moffat's shilling Clara And "Me" (aka that girl that plays Arya Stark's character).

Heaven's sent ending had the Doctor at his lowest. Clara died because she tried to imitate him, and "Me" had betrayed him . No Tardis. No Sonic.

After enduring literally billions of years of torture by the time lords, the doctor finally arrived inside Gallifrey for the first time, on-screen, since it was destroyed in the Time War (not counting the farm scene in the 50th). We are promised answers about the mystery of "the hybrid" that had been hyped the whole season that would bring ruin that made both the Daleks and the Timelord tremble in fear. A secret so dark the doctor preferred enduring billions of years of torture than to reveal it.

... and then it turns out it was just all an excuse to have Clara and Me/Ashildir explore the universe and have a happy ending. We didn't even get an explanation about "The hybrid".

Even as someone that liked Clara, I found that super annoying and disappointing.

I think that everyone was very hyped about Gallifrey, and finally seeing the time lords featured in an episode post-time lock/Time War. Yet, somehow, Moffat was convinced it should be all about Clara for some reason. But, at that point, even people that liked Clara had already accepted she was dead so to suddenly make it all about her was just bad.

Moffat had serious issues letting things go.
 
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I find it pretty telling that back in the day Doctor Who used to be something 4chan really obsessed over and loved, then as time went on the fanbase became increasingly only Tumblr types.
 
Dom Cruise said:
I find it pretty telling that back in the day Doctor Who used to be something 4chan really obsessed over and loved, then as time went on the fanbase became increasingly only Tumblr types.
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It was never that good. If a season was 10 episodes long there'd only be 1-3 good episodes but they were very good episodes. Proper Twilight Zone style classic scifi with moral questions etc and not Star Wars fantasy scifi. The show only survived with such a bad ratio because Tumblrites fangirled over the quirky attractive male leads.

If there was any proper competition from other scifi shows it wouldn't have lasted a season. It's the opposite of the 90's which had too many scifi shows so even good ones would get cancelled.

In the early seasons most of the best episodes were written by Moffat and when he took over the show people assumed the ratio would improve but somehow it went down and they lost the classic scifi edge. I still don't understand how that happened.

Getting an older doctor and then a female doctor lost the fangirls even if it's what they thought they wanted. The dumb thing is Jessica Jones had already made this mistake before Doctor Who and they walked into the same trap. David Tennant was the bad guy in season 1 of Jessica Jones and stole the show and even Tumblr recognised it because they love him from his days as the doctor. But he wasn't coming back for season 2 so the media had to go overboard pushing Jessica as the real star and nobody bought it.
 
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Safir said:
Exactly. The Indian nationalists (aka the eventual winners of that geopolitical conflict from who the current authorities trace their political lineage) were buddy-buddy with the Nazis and Japs, them being enemies of the British. It's like libs forgot who the Nazis were and think of them as cartoon characters who hate darkies. It could be a Daffy Duck episode in which Daffy upends a bucketful of tar over Porky, Porky falls on an open-top freight rail car, the train goes through the cartoon Auschwitz gate - choo choo! - and emerges with the car carrying baked ham.
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Same for fascists and Jews in Italy. In the first years of Mussolini's dictatorship, the regime didn't crack down on Jews at all. There were a lot of Italian Jews, rich and cultured, who liked Mussolini and entered the party. They also had their own magazine "The Fascist Jew". That's because, like in all things, there were people who thought that fascism was the right thing for Italy, there were people who were like 'meh', and others that hated it and wanted it to be dismantled. When Mussoliny begun to be all chummy with Hitler the persecutions started. But try to explain this to a woke American who never attended a decent history class in HS. Or in college, apparently.

Anyway now creators are subjected to standards that they can't realistically meet. If you write a story, you have to represent every minority ever existed, or you media is trash.
 
That Chris Guy said:
I never watched the revival because something irked me about the show choosing to continue dogshit-stupid scenarios, like finding out there was an Agatha Christie episode where she had a wasp alien butler.

This stuff just makes me feel better about that decision. Wait a few years and it'll be Doctor Troon.
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I gave the revival a fair shake for awhile. 9th Doctor was pretty good, 10th was decent but with a few stinkers, 11th had some good stuff except for Moffat's love of dragging out storylines far too long, but it wasn't until 12 did it start really getting bad.

What little remaining interest I had started dropping precipitously until that utter fanfic ending with Clara Oswald and I was all "screw this", haven't walked back since.
 
crocodilian said:
I don't know how much harder you can pander to ethnic minorities than this.

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That being said by Malcom "Horsecock" Tucker's actor only makes it worse. An actor who was known for sounding off nonstop vitriol on "The Thick Of It" ends up saying something that cringe inducing.

For reference:
 
Irrelevant said:
It was never that good. If a season was 10 episodes long there'd only be 1-3 good episodes but they were very good episodes. Proper Twilight Zone style classic scifi with moral questions etc and not Star Wars fantasy scifi. The show only survived with such a bad ratio because Tumblrites fangirled over the quirky attractive male leads.

If there was any proper competition from other scifi shows it wouldn't have lasted a season. It's the opposite of the 90's which had too many scifi shows so even good ones would get cancelled.

In the early seasons most of the best episodes were written by Moffat and when he took over the show people assumed the ratio would improve but somehow it went down and they lost the classic scifi edge. I still don't understand how that happened.

Getting an older doctor and then a female doctor lost the fangirls even if it's what they thought they wanted. The dumb thing is Jessica Jones had already made this mistake before Doctor Who and they walked into the same trap. David Tennant was the bad guy in season 1 of Jessica Jones and stole the show and even Tumblr recognised it because they love him from his days as the doctor. But he wasn't coming back for season 2 so the media had to go overboard pushing Jessica as the real star and nobody bought it.
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I was REALLY disappointed with Season 1 of Jessica Jones. David Tennant as Kilgrave could have been made sympathetic and really an intense moral quandary of Jessica killing the equivalent of a broken and abused child who only knew how to abuse but they just made him into generic villain at the end. It was pretty dumb. But it felt like the writers got a ton of cold feet and did a 180 on it completely. I tried to watch Season 2 of the show but I kept falling asleep. It wasn't that it was super awful, it was just fucking boring.

And the writers had a really bad habit of killing off any interesting characters. Jessica only works as a smarmy, sarcastic PI if she has a foil. Kilgrave was that foil, but he died. Then there was that cop dude, but he died. Then her friend was made just as bad as her, so it all just fell on Jones, but her personality isn't good enough to carry a show. Nothing to do with Ritter as an actress, the material was just not good.

With SJWs, you just never bother appealing to them. Because they will never accept failure of their ideology, its just that you fucked it up. I don't know how many times it will take on people turning on the ones trying to give them media for people to stop, but it will always happen. Nothing will ever be good enough. Because you literally cannot make something they will like because it will become actual parody and they'll hate you for that.
 
Flexo said:
I used to tease some friends with that. "Why can't a black guy be a Nazi? Especially if he just puts "black" as the master race?"

Dunno if it sunk in but maybe their brains expanded a little.
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What's funny is there were actually non-white Nazis. Contrary to popular belief, the Nazi party was largely apathetic towards ethnicities other than Jews.

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Supposedly, according to a youtube comment, despite the lower viewing figures younger people supposedly "love it" based on 10 people who review it positively on youtube. I'm not sure if this is like "Everyone hates it, but people love it!" degree of contradictory or whatever, but I'm praying this shit gets cancelled soon.
 
Do not use your guns to defend yourself from murderous robot aliens, instead watch as I use space magic to create bombs to destroy them.
 
mr.moon1488 said:
What's funny is there were actually non-white Nazis. Contrary to popular belief, the Nazi party was largely apathetic towards ethnicities other than Jews.

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Yeah....no. The Nazis were decidedly not apathetic towards non-jewish niggos of the world. Setting aside the barrel of laughs they had planned/partially implemented on the slavs and the shit done to the roma, their racial worldview was basically 19th century european colonial thought on steroids, sans any of the old aspirations of white mans burden/christian missionary style humanitarianism, and without any of the constraints the free press and public outrcry once placed on british/french/american empires.

In a hypothetical nazi victory scenario this probably wouldnt have been a problem assuming the nazis dropped their lukewarm ideas for reviving the german colonial empire to focus on lebensraum, but if they did decide to retake those areas in africa then if lucky the population would be ignored/kept violently in line by well armed local proxies, and at worst shit would have gotten really fucking grim for those unlucky enough to live on top of resources germany wanted given how gung ho the nazis were about enslaving local populations and working them to death en masse.

Sure they were not "KILL EVERY NON WHITE PERSON ON THE PLANET!" style cartoon villains as is so often depicted in speculative/alternate history fiction, as their racial schtick hinged on a feudal hierarchy of separate races which had aryans at the top, and when shit got desperate they were not adverse to arming any darkie they thought hated the west/east enough and marching them out in german uniforms, but once the war was finished and common enemies were defeated, they would at best be very firmly dropkicked in the general direction of their "racial homeland" as fast as humanly possible.
 
Pixy Misa said:
I actually did like Clara, but I have to agree that Moffet had a very annoying habit of glorifying her which is only matched by Rose Tyler's shilling.

Case in point, Heaven Sent was an amazing episode, I dare to say it's one of the very best of Doctor Who, but it's follow up was ruined by Moffat's shilling Clara And "Me" (aka that girl that plays Arya Stark's character).

Heaven's sent ending had the Doctor was as it's lowest. Clara died because she tried to imitate him, and "Me" had betrayed him . No Tardis. No Sonic.

After enduring literally billions of years of torture by the time lords, the doctor finally arrived inside Gallifrey for the first time, on-screen, since it was destroyed in the Time War (not counting the farm scene in the 50th). We are promised answers about the mystery of "the hybrid" that had been hyped the whole season that would bring ruin that made both the Daleks and the Timelord tremble in fear. A secret so dark the doctor preferred enduring billions of years of torture than to reveal it.

... and then it turns out it was just all an excuse to have Clara and Me/Ashildir explore the universe and have a happy ending.. We didn't even get an explanation about "The hybrid".

Even as someone that liked Clara, I found that super annoying and disappointing.

I think that everyone was very hyped about Gallifrey, and finally seeing the time lord featured in an episode post-time lock/Time War. Yet, somehow, Moffat has convinced it should be all about Clara for some reason. But, at that point, even people that liked Clara had already accepted she was dead so to suddenly make it all about her was just bad.

Moffat had serious issues letting things go.
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Honestly the moment I heard about that "hybrid" plotline I officially lost all lingering hope for the future of the show. I knew it was just going to be another disposable "ooh big sthuper duper important mystery that underpins the whole in-show universe and is treated as a big deal by everyone......that was never fucking mentioned or alluded to beforehand and will never be mentioned again once the plotline ends" gimmick, and I was not even slightly shocked to eventually discover I was right.

Just like the slenderman ripoffs. Just like the universal buttcracks. Just like omniclara. Just like this current "the tiMELeSS CHILd" cringe nu-nu-who is pulling to claw back ratings.
 
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